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Historically low attendance Saturday?

That's what people don't get. Look at Minnesota's attendance. Miami's (actual - not what they announce). UCLA. USC. Northwestern.

And here are their undergrad numbers:

UCLA - 32,423
USC - 20,699
Minnesota - 39,248
Miami - 12,504
Pitt - 19,928

So when you take us vs Minnesota, for example, They're graduating 20k more than us per year. If they all go on to live 50 years on average, that's a freaking MILLION more living alum than us they have. And we probably outdraw them most weeks.

What's so difficult to understand about smaller schools in major cities (i.e. pro teams are an obstacle as is the fact that there is other stuff to do) not drawing 65k/week? It's redirected aggression. The team sucks, so let's go at the fans.
Those big time schools, Bama, Oklahoma, Clemson, Georgia, Tennessee, Michigan, Penn State, those are all in basically hick towns, where their games are the 7 most important days of the year, above maybe the Groundhog Day Parade or the Apple Festival, even tOSU being in a big city, biggest in Ohio, no pro teams other than NHL and MLS, I lived in Columbus 2 years, ex-players can't even be guaranteed tickets there, NFL doesn't matter to those people, football is on Saturdays, that's why those places get 100k at their games.
 
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Those big time schools, Bama, Oklahoma, Clemson, Georgia, Tennessee, Michigan, Penn State, those are all in basically hick towns, where their games are the 7 most important days of the year, above maybe the Groundhog Day Parade or the Apple Festival, even tOSU being in a big city, biggest in Ohio, no pro teams other than NHL and MLS, I lived in Columbus 2 years, ex-players can't even be guaranteed tickets there, NFL doesn't matter to those people, football is on Saturdays, that's why those places get 100k at their games.

Yeah, I don't know if I should offer 90,000 Nebraska fans my respect or my condolences for showing up to watch a 3-6 football team that hasn't been nationally relevant in 22 years play.

I mean, Pitt fans obviously aren't the greatest. But they're not the worst, and to think that 20 wins in two seasons (which would be considered a failure in many places where college football matters a lot) is going to change decades of habits on a dime is hilarious.

And I'm not dismissing the last two seasons. It was a success by our standards and realistic expectations.
 
It always has, and always will, come down to this--put a product out there that generates some national buzz and that is worth going to some expense and effort to go see, play opponents that people that live in your region actually give some semblance of a $hit about, figure out how to somehow create a real college football gameday environment at your miles off campus pro football stadium, and you'll get decent attendance.

We're citing a home game against lowly Georgia Tech with Pitt "coming off an ACC championship" as a sign that Pitt fans don't care? That's funny. NOBODY ANYWHERE would get off their ass and go to any trouble to watch GT play football, including their own alums. In Pittsburgh, I think it's a pretty big ask to expect people to get all excited and fill an NFL stadium located in Western Pennsylvania to watch a middling college team play football games played against middling southeastern basketball schools.
I mean, there was something like 40K maybe 45K there the year prior when a ranked Pitt team with an explosive offense and arguably the best QB and WR in college played UVa game when Pitt clinched the division very late season to go to 9-2 overall after the win.
 
Yeah, I don't know if I should offer 90,000 Nebraska fans my respect or my condolences for showing up to watch a 3-6 football team that hasn't been nationally relevant in 22 years play.
They got 90k for a volleyball game in Nebraska, they're that starved for any sports entertainment. If Pitt won the national championship in volleyball, I doubt they'd draw 20k to Heinz Field.
 
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Those big time schools, Bama, Oklahoma, Clemson, Georgia, Tennessee, Michigan, Penn State, those are all in basically hick towns, where their games are the 7 most important days of the year, above maybe the Groundhog Day Parade or the Apple Festival, even tOSU being in a big city, biggest in Ohio, no pro teams other than NHL and MLS, I lived in Columbus 2 years, ex-players can't even be guaranteed tickets there, NFL doesn't matter to those people, football is on Saturdays, that's why those places get 100k at their games.
That is why big-time recruits want to play at these schools. They are treated like kings.

A couple bad games here and you are welcomed by 30k fans and a round of boos. The main reason why 4 and 5 star recruit aren’t coming to Pitt is because of the lack of support from its fans. Nowadays it is mainly driven by NIL money and we all know the game day atmosphere can’t hold a candle to these big-time schools. Pitt is the equivalent to BC or GT playing in a pro stadium.
 
That is why big-time recruits want to play at these schools. They are treated like kings.

A couple bad games here and you are welcomed by 30k fans and a round of boos. The main reason why 4 and 5 star recruit aren’t coming to Pitt is because of the lack of support from its fans. Nowadays it is mainly driven by NIL money and we all know the game day atmosphere can’t hold a candle to these big-time schools. Pitt is the equivalent to BC or GT playing in a pro stadium.
Maybe try to convince the Steelers, Penguins and Pirates to all leave town, then, when there's no other major league sport, Pitt could be more like those schools.
 
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That is why big-time recruits want to play at these schools. They are treated like kings.

A couple bad games here and you are welcomed by 30k fans and a round of boos. The main reason why 4 and 5 star recruit aren’t coming to Pitt is because of the lack of support from its fans. Nowadays it is mainly driven by NIL money and we all know the game day atmosphere can’t hold a candle to these big-time schools. Pitt is the equivalent to BC or GT playing in a pro stadium.


Michigan fans booing their QB recently:

https://www.dispatch.com/story/spor...cnamara-jj-mccarthy-quarterbacks/69486993007/

Alabama fans booing their own team recently:

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/a...oo-after-tide-blow-golden-opportunity-for-td/

Penn State fans booing their own QB recently:

https://www.dkpittsburghsports.com/...iger-lions-gophers-clifford-franklin-whiteout

One of the multiple articles I found about LSU fans booing:

https://www.wafb.com/story/26685700...-jarrett-lee-says-booing-takes-a-toll-on-you/

Tennessee fans booing recently:

https://thespun.com/sec/tennessee/t...rantano-mercilessly-after-his-second-pick-six


Some of you guys have to be more honest with yourselves, man. It's the TEAM you're mad at. Stop taking it out on the fans who are not uniquely awful, contrary to belief.
 
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Season has the very real potential to finish with the worst record in 50 years (maybe all time when you consider that the only win could be an FCS team) and the worst offense in school history. But yeah, the fans are the problem.
 
Season has the very real potential to finish with the worst record in 50 years (maybe all time when you consider that the only win could be an FCS team) and the worst offense in school history. But yeah, the fans are the problem.
Pitt fans have always sucked. That’s why they are mocked by other schools. Pitt’s attendance sucked in the mid to late 80’s, it was horrendous in the 90’s, and there were 30-35k at some games the last couple years when we were good. GT at home last year was about 20-25k. Of course, that’s the count before people leave early.
 
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As always there are more than one answer.

Foremost, Pitt does not want to be among the top programs in the revenue sports. Period. It’s the internal culture of the admin and faculty. Going back to the 19 freaking 30s, once the program gets rolling, it isn’t appropriately followed up on to take it the next level. It is neutered from within.

And partly yes it is the money. The outside money. It is correct, that outside money needs to be immense. For that you need large boosters. Pitt had that in its most successful seasons. As mentioned above, Pitt itself neutered that.
Michigan fans booing their QB recently:

https://www.dispatch.com/story/spor...cnamara-jj-mccarthy-quarterbacks/69486993007/

Alabama fans booing their own team recently:

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/a...oo-after-tide-blow-golden-opportunity-for-td/

Penn State fans booing their own QB recently:

https://www.dkpittsburghsports.com/...iger-lions-gophers-clifford-franklin-whiteout

One of the multiple articles I found about LSU fans booing:

https://www.wafb.com/story/26685700...-jarrett-lee-says-booing-takes-a-toll-on-you/

Tennessee fans booing recently:

https://thespun.com/sec/tennessee/t...rantano-mercilessly-after-his-second-pick-six


Some of you guys have to be more honest with yourselves, man. It's the TEAM you're mad at. Stop taking it out on the fans who are not uniquely awful, contrary to belief.
Specifically it needs to be directed at the university. Not merely the specific individuals who come and go as chancellors, deans, trustees etc … but the overall university entity. The culture. The attitude. The perpetuation of all this as current ones hire future ones. And it goes back to the 1930s and then, of course, the 1970s and 80s.

Pitt tolerates having football, as it has its appeal to the unwashed, and regrettably there are always some unwashed. It pays its head coach similar money to all the other programs, as the defenders will cart out. (Which of course is merely the tip of the iceberg needed to be competitive).

But Pitt won’t tolerate football rising beyond its ‘place’. If it happens to deliver the occasional (very, very occasional) good season the school will jump on the wagon, but it then quickly derails that wagon. Or maybe more accurately in this latest iteration of failure, Pitt stood by, mostly uninterested, and let the increasingly deranged ‘Captain’ of the wagon derail itself (running off Whip, hiring a tired failure like Cig).

But besides that, Pitt also keeps a mighty clamp on booster spending…a clamp its had in place since the late 1980s (when the school insiders had enough of the ‘outrageous’ football focus of the late 70s).

This NIL thing is not going to be successful for Pitt with the likes of Sauce giving his annual Fifty bucks. It takes huge boosters, led by incredibly wealthy and bored alums (or just merely huge fans), willing and eager to give hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of their own money or that of their (likely annoyed) ‘investors.’

But, ah, those type A boosters aren’t going to give that money merely to get a 30 second photo opp on the field with Heather Lyke (which usually occurs right after Pitt gives up a score and the crowd ain’t cheering for anything…. the poor bastard ).

No, they would give/raise that money to bring difference maker football (not volleyball, not soccer) players and coaches here. Without bureaucratic interference from fussbudget university nerds and ‘flakes.

And that is something Pitt never allows, but for long anyway.

Pitt refused to allow this kind of “outrageousness” to continue in the 80s and sure as hell not going to allow it now, even if it has a ‘perfectly legal’ NIL wrapper on it. Football needs to know its place (Volleyball, on the other hand…)
 
Weather is too cold.
Weather is too wet.
Kickoff time is too late.
Weather is too hot.
Kickoff time is too early.
Tickets are too expensive.
Sight lines are bad.
If I pay money I better see a win.
Why don’t they play a “good team”?
Offense isn’t exciting.
Defense is a sieve.
Uniforms aren’t the right color.
Should play on campus.
Will go when they fire coach I don’t like.
Parking is too hard.
Can’t tailgate.
They didn’t recruit a kid from my local HS.
Not enough chicken fingers in the basket.
Want me to donate.
Didn’t kiss my ass.
No one goes.
Lines are too long.
Music too loud.
Crowd is dead.
Sweet Caroline.

Did I miss any anything? Go. Don’t. Your choice. Just stfu.
This and 100% this. I've always said that Pitt fans look for an excuse not to go, rather than a reason to go and make a day of it.

It was even more so a day of it on campus when you went to the bars and restaurants in Oakland after the game as traffic thinned.

Those college campuses in the middle of nowhere, fans leave at dawn and get home at night knowing it's going to be an all day thing.
 
People who think that Pitt's attendance issues are a "current" problem have short memories.

Before all that stuff that you mentioned happened, Pitt had attendance issues.S

True….Pitt’s schizophrenia over FB predates the events I mentioned, and the paying customers have been cognizant of its many symptoms for decades. You don’t change people’s mindsets because you win 20 games in 2 years or even if you have 7 years of excellence. Took our detested neighbors to the east decades of almost uninterrupted commitment and success to get where they are. Beaver Stadium was a minor league venue back in the 60’s before Paterno began his reign.
 
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the fans will come when the team wins.
only the internet people start threads like this.
 
the fans will come when the team wins.
only the internet people start threads like this.
Except they won’t. There’s maybe 35,000 loyal Pitt fans. We’re (yes, I include myself as a 9 year season ticket holder) not the problem.
The problem here is that there just aren’t that many casual Pitt fans in Western PA. Pitt competes with Penn State, Ohio state, West Virginia, and even Notre Dame. I would love to know the number of Penn State alumni in Allegheny County versus Pitt alumni. I’m sure it’s very close if not decently in Penn State favor. Pitt could go undefeated for 4 years here, and still be the number 14 in town. Maybe even number five, behind Penn State. It definitely is a case of “it is what it is”. And it’s just not going to change. Not even an on campus stadium is going to change that.
 
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Except they won’t. There’s maybe 35,000 loyal Pitt fans. We’re (yes, I include myself as a 9 year season ticket holder) not the problem
The problem here is that there just aren’t that many casual pit fans in western PA. Pitt competes with Penn State, Ohio state, West Virginia, and even Notre Dame. I would love to know the number of Penn State alumni in Allegheny County versus Pitt alumni. I’m sure it’s very close if not decently in Penn State favor. Pitt could go undefeated for 4 years here, and still be the number 14 in town. Maybe even number five, behind Penn State. It definitely is a case of “it is what it is”. And it’s just not going to change. Not even an on campus stadium is going to change that.
Congrats
 
I would love to know the number of Penn State alumni in Allegheny County versus Pitt alumni. I’m sure it’s very close if not decently in Penn State favor.


Actually it's no where near close. Even if you count the Penn State - McKeesport (or whatever they call it today) alums, there are around 30,000 Penn State alums in Allegheny County. There are approximately 87,000 Pitt grads in Allegheny County.
 
Actually it's no where near close. Even if you count the Penn State - McKeesport (or whatever they call it today) alums, there are around 30,000 Penn State alums in Allegheny County. There are approximately 87,000 Pitt grads in Allegheny County.

It was a myth started when Paterno made a comment years ago. The truth I believe is that more PSU alumni live in Allegheny county than any other county in the state and he somehow twisted it into more PSU alumni live here than Pitt alumni. Of course nitter friendly local media ran with that and never bothered to fact check him
 
This and 100% this. I've always said that Pitt fans look for an excuse not to go, rather than a reason to go and make a day of it.

It was even more so a day of it on campus when you went to the bars and restaurants in Oakland after the game as traffic thinned.

Those college campuses in the middle of nowhere, fans leave at dawn and get home at night knowing it's going to be an all day thing.
It's almost as if the majority of the Pitt Alumni that could fill the stadium have known mediocrity at best for their entire lives. I bet if I made a list of teams with top 25 finishes during my lifetime, Pitt wouldn't make the top 40. Hell, they're tied for 10th just in the ACC.
 
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It's almost as if the majority of the Pitt Alumni that could fill the stadium have known mediocrity at best for their entire lives. I bet if I made a list of teams with top 25 finishes during my lifetime, Pitt wouldn't make the top 40. Hell, they're tied for 10th just in the ACC.
Narduzzi came into this year having the second most wins in the ACC since 2015 behind only Clemson. Keep making excuses because that’s what losers do. Death, taxes, and Pitt fans making excuses as to why they don’t support the program.
 
It was a myth started when Paterno made a comment years ago. The truth I believe is that more PSU alumni live in Allegheny county than any other county in the state and he somehow twisted it into more PSU alumni live here than Pitt alumni. Of course nitter friendly local media ran with that and never bothered to fact check him
The $hitty Pittsburgh media gave Paturdo 2 Dapper Dan awards. What did he ever do for the city of Pittsburgh beside take our athletes??? J-O-K-E
 
That is why big-time recruits want to play at these schools. They are treated like kings.

A couple bad games here and you are welcomed by 30k fans and a round of boos. The main reason why 4 and 5 star recruit aren’t coming to Pitt is because of the lack of support from its fans. Nowadays it is mainly driven by NIL money and we all know the game day atmosphere can’t hold a candle to these big-time schools. Pitt is the equivalent to BC or GT playing in a pro stadium.
Pitt has better fan support than BC or GT, and is regarded higher nationally. I have said this many times after spending years working in the south during football season......the typical SEC or Clemson fan holds Pitt in a higher regard than our own fan base. Maybe it's because our northern neighbors at Penn State, Ohio State, and Michigan brag about attendance so much, but attendance numbers never came up during college football discussions down there.

Of course, Pitt beating Clemson a few times played a big part in that. SEC fanboys love to see Clemson lose.
 
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Narduzzi came into this year having the second most wins in the ACC since 2015 behind only Clemson. Keep making excuses because that’s what losers do. Death, taxes, and Pitt fans making excuses as to why they don’t support the program.
Because the Coastal is a garbage conference that would be considered worse than some G5s many years.
Since 2015
1-4 Vs Big 12
1-6 B1G
1-1 vs Pac
1-1 vs SEC
0-2 vs Notre Dame
1-2 vs American
He finished top 25 twice in 9 seasons.
This is the first year in a decade where I won't be at 3 or more Pitt games, I don't regret it for a second.(edit: except for 2020)
 
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Pitt has better fan support than BC or GT, and is regarded higher nationally. I have said this many times after spending years working in the south during football season......the typical SEC or Clemson fan holds Pitt in a higher regard than our own fan base. Maybe it's because our northern neighbors at Penn State, Ohio State, and Michigan brag about attendance so much, but attendance numbers never came up during college football discussions down there.

Of course, Pitt beating Clemson a few times played a big part in that. SEC fanboys love to see Clemson lose.
We have about the same amount of fan support as BC and GT. The only difference is we have been more successful recently.
 
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Because the Coastal is a garbage conference that would be considered worse than some G5s many years.
Since 2015
1-4 Vs Big 12
1-6 B1G
1-1 vs Pac
1-1 vs SEC
0-2 vs Notre Dame
1-2 vs American
He finished top 25 twice in 9 seasons.
This is the first year in a decade where I won't be at 3 or more Pitt games, I don't regret it for a second.
You are really digging into the bag of excuses now. So now Pitt has to win 11 games against big time opponents to get your full fledged support. Of course you don’t regret it because you are a typical fair weather fan.
 
Club seats down to $22 on StubHub. That's a pretty good deal to see a good team like Louisville.
 
You are really digging into the bag of excuses now. So now Pitt has to win 11 games against big time opponents to get your full fledged support. Of course you don’t regret it because you are a typical fair weather fan.
Fair weather assumes that there is good weather more than once every decade or can be sustained for more than 2 years at a time
 
We have about the same amount of fan support as BC and GT. The only difference is we have been more successful recently.
I cannot confirm my belief that Boston College has less fan support than Pitt (I think TV viewing is probably a good measure), but Georgia Tech is not even close. Not close at all.
 
Season has the very real potential to finish with the worst record in 50 years (maybe all time when you consider that the only win could be an FCS team) and the worst offense in school history. But yeah, the fans are the problem.
They have the potential to run off 6 wins in a row and make a bowl game like in 2001. The fans are the problem.

See I can do hypotheticals too. The fan base sucks
 
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the fans will come when the team wins.
only the internet people start threads like this.
They won’t ever be able to win enough to have the casual fan come out. The goalpost constantly move for what is considered winning enough for them.

And they treat college sports with a pro mentality. The fans are the lifeblood of a college program. Not a billion dollar owner. And we don’t have that.
 
I mean, there was something like 40K maybe 45K there the year prior when a ranked Pitt team with an explosive offense and arguably the best QB and WR in college played UVa game when Pitt clinched the division very late season to go to 9-2 overall after the win.
Pitt was getting 40k at PITT stadium with the best player in College football and a National championship team…

They started averaging around 50k *after* the 1977 Sugar Bowl…

I’ll never understand it.
 
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