I’m not thrilled about this, but hoping for the best!

[Pittfan85]

I will say the defense drastically improved at the end of the year, and I have a lot more hope for next year as guys did start to develop.

I do think though that this is extremely dangerous....narduzzi has proven dry little with his own guys. I just hope this doesn’t turn into a giant albatross for pitt.

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

 

[PittAU]

They had only one, and at times two, seniors on the two- and three-deep depth chart for defense. I think we have to take that into consideration.

 

[Macchiato]

I will say the defense drastically improved at the end of the year, and I have a lot more hope for next year as guys did start to develop.

I do think though that this is extremely dangerous....narduzzi has proven dry little with his own guys. I just hope this doesn’t turn into a giant albatross for pitt.

Narduzzi has proven little with his guys? Obviously a weak attempt to troll. Pickett,

I will say the defense drastically improved at the end of the year, and I have a lot more hope for next year as guys did start to develop.

I do think though that this is extremely dangerous....narduzzi has proven dry little with his own guys. I just hope this doesn’t turn into a giant albatross for pitt.

Signing Narduzzi could be extremely dangerous? Why do people waste their time trolling

 

[pittzap]

Narduzzi has proven little with his guys? Obviously a weak attempt to troll. Pickett,




Signing Narduzzi could be extremely dangerous? Why do people waste their time trolling

Just a stupid thread. Extending him was the absolute right thing to do. The lack of stability since 2010 has been a killer for us. Knowing he's around for at least 7 more years is just what we need.

 

[crharris8892]

good for recruiting, especially with the current carousel, and job hopping among the coaches...if I were a recruit that really liked the coaches and the reason to commit, that's one of my top reasons.

 

[KanePA]

Just a stupid thread. Extending him was the absolute right thing to do. The lack of stability since 2010 has been a killer for us. Knowing he's around for at least 7 more years is just what we need.

UCF was 0-12 2 years ago. They just finished 13-0 with a conference championship. An incredible turnaround and not 1 of those fans are angry Frost is leaving. He improved that program and made it relevant in almost no time. You don’t hear them carrying on and on about this nebulous stability issue that really isn’t even an issue. And the truth is that if Narduzzi went 8-4 in year 1 and then 12-1 in year 2 beating PSU and Clemson and won an ACC title before bolting for a bigger job, you’d want a statue built.

 

[Macchiato]

UCF was 0-12 2 years ago. They just finished 13-0 with a conference championship. An incredible turnaround and not 1 of those fans are angry Frost is leaving. He improved that program and made it relevant in almost no time. You don’t hear them carrying on and on about this nebulous stability issue that really isn’t even an issue. And the truth is that if Narduzzi went 8-4 in year 1 and then 12-1 in year 2 beating PSU and Clemson and won an ACC title before bolting for a bigger job, you’d want a statue built.

A statue being built? Work on your trolling. If Narduzzi went 12-1 and won the ACC title that would mean a likely playoff birth over Clemson. We would have a fireworks night with bobblehead. You can do better than this

 

[KanePA]

A statue being built? Work on your trolling. If Narduzzi went 12-1 and won the ACC title that would mean a likely playoff birth over Clemson. We would have a fireworks night with bobblehead. You can do better than this

Point being that if a coach has a lot of success, it raises the status of the program and everything improves recruiting and donations being the most important.

 

[srpst23]

Just a stupid thread. Extending him was the absolute right thing to do. The lack of stability since 2010 has been a killer for us. Knowing he's around for at least 7 more years is just what we need.

I wouldn't say that he'll defiantly be around for 7 more years, since as you know these coaching contracts aren't really worth the paper they are written on. Having 7 years on the contract really only keeps him from leaving for 2-3 more seasons, likely. I could see 4-is years of a contract being bought out if a big time program wanted him. But it's obviously tough to say for sure until we know his new salary and buyout options (which we will never accurately know)

 

[KanePA]

I wouldn't say that he'll defiantly be around for 7 more years, since as you know these coaching contracts aren't really worth the paper they are written on. Having 7 years on the contract really only keeps him from leaving for 2-3 more seasons, likely. I could see 4-is years of a contract being bought out if a big time program wanted him. But it's obviously tough to say for sure until we know his new salary and buyout options (which we will never accurately know)

What if he goes 5-7 again next year and continues to struggle on the recruiting trail?

 

[passedout]

Point being that if a coach has a lot of success, it raises the status of the program and everything improves recruiting and donations being the most important.

Yes and yes ... in 09 when we played for the BigEast Championship, those were both on the uptick, Heinz was packed and the atmosphere was electric. This program just needs the spark like Wannstadt to get that going again - Narduzzi's it!

 

[cashisking884]

good for recruiting, especially with the current carousel, and job hopping among the coaches...if I were a recruit that really liked the coaches and the reason to commit, that's one of my top reasons.

The problem is recruits don't really like the coaching staff that was just extended.

 

[srpst23]

What if he goes 5-7 again next year and continues to struggle on the recruiting trail?

It cuts both ways, I can't imagine Pitt firing anyone that has a ton of money still guaranteed. I guess we'll find out how the new AD and admin will feel about eating a big chunk of remaining salary after this basketball season (men's or woman's really).

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

What if he goes 5-7 again next year and continues to struggle on the recruiting trail?

What if he goes 9-3 and the recruiting you think is weak really isn't?

"If ifs and buts were candies and nuts we'd all have a Merry Christmas."

Extension was a no brainer for anyone who is paying attention to what is going on with coaching contracts.

 

[jtownknowitall]

The lack of stability since 2010 has been a killer for us.

That's a myth. This team could just as easy be 5-7 today with Todd Graham, Dave Wannstedt, Paul Chryst, Mike Gottfried or Sal Sunseri coaching. There is no coach willing to stick around for 46 years anymore.

What if he goes 5-7 again next year and continues to struggle on the recruiting trail?

Then we'll be calling for both his and Lyke's head and moaning that we should have never got rid of Wanny.

 

[Macchiato]

What if he goes 5-7 again next year and continues to struggle on the recruiting trail?

so you don't extend him because what if he doesn't succeed. What if he does

Seriously, everybody knew this was a rebuild. He tried his best by bringing in an OL, TE and QB transfer. His team will still have some lumps next year but will be a sure fire contender in 2 years. Lets just fire him and hire a new coach and wait 5 yrs to get his guys in. He beat two top ten teams last year and the only coach to beat the NC. He beat the #2 team in country this year

really, I hope you are trolling

 

[cashisking884]

What if he goes 9-3 and the recruiting you think is weak really isn't?

"If ifs and buts were candies and nuts we'd all have a Merry Christmas."

Extension was a no brainer for anyone who is paying attention to what is going on with coaching contracts.

So what if he improves by 4 games and makes all the recruiting services look foolish, something the statistics show just doesn't happen?
You really think the two scenarios are equally likely?

 

[Macchiato]

who says his recruiting is weak. We have solid defensive line and offensive line candidates in this class. He isn't even done with class. Nuts, truly nuts

I'm done feeding trolls

 

[cashisking884]

who says his recruiting is weak. We have solid defensive line and offensive line candidates in this class. He isn't even done with class. Nuts, truly nuts

I'm done feeding trolls

The people that get paid to judge recruiting classes say that recruiting is weak.
The only people that can disagree with that are the people that watch film and say, "I like his tape. I think he's underrated." Go to any team's message board, and you'll find those posts about every 3* prospect. In the end, the recruiting services tend to be right...

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

They had only one, and at times two, seniors on the two- and three-deep depth chart for defense. I think we have to take that into consideration.

If it makes you feel better, he could still leave for a better job after next season

 

[KanePA]

The problem is recruits don't really like the coaching staff that was just extended.

If you made a list of the things recruits care about, the coach’s contract isnt on their radar.

 

[cashisking884]

If you made a list of the things recruits care about, the coach’s contract isnt on their radar.

I'd say stability or a guarantee, everything equal, probably gives you some kind of edge.
The problem is everything isn't equal. We can't get in the door with upper tier recruits, and stability isn't even on the list of the things that get you in the door.

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

So what if he improves by 4 games and makes all the recruiting services look foolish, something the statistics show just doesn't happen?
You really think the two scenarios are equally likely?

I think message board posters have little knowledge of what is likely and what isn't.

The body of work says he generally beats who he should and has proven the ability to beat far superior teams. Any conclusions drawn on his recruiting are opinion at this point.

 

[joeydavid]

He's recruited at the same level as HCDW who by most standards is the highest level since Gottfried.

What if he goes 5-7 again next year and continues to struggle on the recruiting trail?

 

[Pittfan85]

Like I said, we will see what happens. The defense absolutely improved as the year went on, but if we go 5-7 again next year this will look pretty bad.

 

[raleighpanther]

I will say the defense drastically improved at the end of the year, and I have a lot more hope for next year as guys did start to develop.

I do think though that this is extremely dangerous....narduzzi has proven dry little with his own guys. I just hope this doesn’t turn into a giant albatross for pitt.

"His own guys" were redshirt freshman, and true freshman this year. Not much is ever really "proven" with guys this young.

While nothing can be proved with guys this young, to me, the evidence is strongly supportive of Narduzzi. 14 of the 30 guys who played on D were his guys, and they looked increasingly better as the year went on, just as I'd hoped. They dominated the supposedly faster, more athletic Canes, for 60 minutes in their final game.

 

[joeydavid]

No to mention Pitt had nothing to "play for" other than a win verses the U. That's telling of a coach and the players.

"His own guys" were redshirt freshman, and true freshman this year. Not much is ever really "proven" with guys this young.

While nothing can be proved with guys this young, to me, the evidence is strongly supportive of Narduzzi. 14 of the 30 guys who played on D were his guys, and they looked increasingly better as the year went on, just as I'd hoped. They dominated the supposedly faster, more athletic Canes, for 60 minutes in their final game.

 

[pittzap]

That's a myth. This team could just as easy be 5-7 today with Todd Graham, Dave Wannstedt, Paul Chryst, Mike Gottfried or Sal Sunseri coaching. There is no coach willing to stick around for 46 years anymore.

Or we could be in better shape if we wouldn't be on our third coach since then, not even counting Haywood. Recruiting classes have been decimated with players leaving or de committing with the coaching changes.

 

[Farnox]

The people that get paid to judge recruiting classes say that recruiting is weak.
The only people that can disagree with that are the people that watch film and say, "I like his tape. I think he's underrated." Go to any team's message board, and you'll find those posts about every 3* prospect. In the end, the recruiting services tend to be right...

I would say that after the top level no brainers, the services are not very accurate. They rate a ton of kids as 3 and 2 star recruits. Some fail, some are ok and some do very well. If they are so good at rating, then why can't they identify which 3 stars will produce or not. This is where a coaches ability to identify talent comes into play. They are not going by a Rivals rating as to whether or not a offer a kid a scholarship.

 

[jrnPitt]

I wouldn't say that he'll defiantly be around for 7 more years, since as you know these coaching contracts aren't really worth the paper they are written on. Having 7 years on the contract really only keeps him from leaving for 2-3 more seasons, likely. I could see 4-is years of a contract being bought out if a big time program wanted him. But it's obviously tough to say for sure until we know his new salary and buyout options (which we will never accurately know)

 

[jrnPitt]

The contracts can be worth plenty if Pitt put in a large enough buy out clause in this contract.

 

[revampedpanthers]

If it makes you feel better, he could still leave for a better job after next season

If he can leave to any job, even the nfl, heads need to roll. The buyout should be high enough that he is here for 3 more years no matter what, if he stinks for 2 years he will still be here because the school won't be able to buy him out for at least 3 probably 4 years so his buyout better be enough to keep anyone even A&M type of money from taking him!

 

[Pittx9]

The defense also was an absolute train wreck in 2014, almost as bad as last year's. Narduzzi came in and the defense actually won us some games in 2015. It got really bad again in 2016 and for a good part of this season. I think next year they take steps forward again and hopefully continue what we saw against Miami.

 

[revampedpanthers]

Like I said, we will see what happens. The defense absolutely improved as the year went on, but if we go 5-7 again next year this will look pretty bad.

Agree there is a major risk here and I wanted him back for sure. The school won't be able to get rid of him for 3 or 4 years. If he goes 4-8 and 5-7 the next two years the same posters cheering this will be screaming bloody murder. Personally I would have liked to see one more year but if he does well, and the buyout is high enough, it will be a genius move.

 

[bubba31]

The people that get paid to judge recruiting classes say that recruiting is weak.
The only people that can disagree with that are the people that watch film and say, "I like his tape. I think he's underrated." Go to any team's message board, and you'll find those posts about every 3* prospect. In the end, the recruiting services tend to be right...

i will remind you that anyone......me....you....my grandma.....the fat lady across the street who refuses to pull her window blinds down......

could hang a shingle and call ourselves "recruiting experts:"

I will further remind you that these "experts" get paid because of marks like you that are so eager to pay for "good news"

As PT Barnum once said....."NEVER underestimate the stupidity of the American people".....

 

[raleighpanther]

The people that get paid to judge recruiting classes say that recruiting is weak.
The only people that can disagree with that are the people that watch film and say, "I like his tape. I think he's underrated." Go to any team's message board, and you'll find those posts about every 3* prospect. In the end, the recruiting services tend to be right...

OK, let's break this down.

Who you're referring to when you talk about people watching film and issuing an opinion are...fans.
Who you're referring to as the "the people who get paid to judge recruiting classes" get paid by....again, fans. If they were paid by coaches, then you'd have something. But coaches have no use for them, and little respect for them either.

The only way you can say the recruiting services tend to be right is by pointing to the success of 5-star guys versus 2-3 star guys, overall. But that's no big deal. You or I, or our grandmothers for that matter, can ID the 5-star guys, so that's not an accomplishment worth noting.

Now, most D1 recruits are 3-star guys. When someone can come along and look at a list of 3-star guys produced by the recruiting services and tell us which 3-star guys will be successful, and which will fail, then I'll buy in, and say these guys are good.

Do you know who can ID the good 3-star guys? Some coaches can. The ones at Wisky, TCU, Michigan State are damn good at it. Coaches at places like Illinois pretty consistently suck at it.

I'm in the camp of thinking Narduzzi is pretty good at it too.

 

[freddietee511]

UCF was 0-12 2 years ago. They just finished 13-0 with a conference championship. An incredible turnaround and not 1 of those fans are angry Frost is leaving. He improved that program and made it relevant in almost no time. You don’t hear them carrying on and on about this nebulous stability issue that really isn’t even an issue. And the truth is that if Narduzzi went 8-4 in year 1 and then 12-1 in year 2 beating PSU and Clemson and won an ACC title before bolting for a bigger job, you’d want a statue built.

If u think UCF faces anywhere near the competition we do you are insane

 

[pittzap]

UCF was 0-12 2 years ago. They just finished 13-0 with a conference championship. An incredible turnaround and not 1 of those fans are angry Frost is leaving. He improved that program and made it relevant in almost no time. You don’t hear them carrying on and on about this nebulous stability issue that really isn’t even an issue. And the truth is that if Narduzzi went 8-4 in year 1 and then 12-1 in year 2 beating PSU and Clemson and won an ACC title before bolting for a bigger job, you’d want a statue built.

First of all, you don't know me. Don't tell me what I would think. I'm one of the most realistic fans for all of my sports teams. Never too high. Never too low. If he had that record, I'd be glad. I'd also want him to continue it.

Next, I personally know 5 UCF alum and they are completely bummed out that Frost left. So don't say you don't hear any of their fans upset. You would be wrong. They thought Frost could carry the momentum of this season and be good year after year, but they realized he was probably a short timer.

While the turn around at UCF was very impressive, they are not in a P5 confernce. It is easier to build in a lesser confernce. Yes, they were winless a few seasons ago, but they have won conference championships in 2007, 2010, 2013, and 2014. They have had double digit wins 4 times since 2010 and won 9 games once, so they were not a perennial crappy team. What does "relevant" mean to you? Irrelevant teams don't win four championships in 8 seasons.

They have also only had four head coaches since 1985 (we have had 9). They have not had any instability in coaching.

The program has been left in a good position for Heuppel to take over. The fans I know don't know if they will be closer to the 13-0 season, an 8/9 win season, or less. They are also concerned that Heuppel will be a short timer as well.

O'Leary would never have been their coach if he hadn't lie on his resume; he would have been the ND coach. Instead he was hired at UCF a few seasons later and stayed for 12 seasons.

So they have no idea what coaching instability is right now. Depending on how Heuppel does, they may find out.

 

[Pitt-Chains]

The problem is recruits don't really like the coaching staff that was just extended.

Proof please..