Is this the team we have for next season?
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I don't think so..... but if it is then that's dissatisfying
I still believe a servicible big will be added.
In any event, I wont be dissatisfied unless whatever group that makes up next season's team fails to improve on last season's overall W-L record by getting to 16-17 total wins vs last season's 14.
I still think a couple pieces are out there too. If they are, great; if not, we’ll thats okay too. Why, because I trust in the process of what Coach Capel is doing.
I’m sure we all agree that this isn’t just a matter of replacing parts. Coach is building a new brand at Pitt, this is a long term vision, not something that would be completed in a season...or even two.
Yes we all want improvement. I’m there too. But we also wants individuals who want to be at Pitt, to wear our colors proudly. And whoever decides that they want to be a panther, well, now they are part of the family and deserve our support.
Better times are ahead my friends. I can’t even begin to understand the anxiety and frustration of recruiting today. There are too many new variables. I played a sport at Pitt back in the early 90’s, recruiting across all sports seemed to be easier then. I give the current coaching staff a lot of credit for the work they have done so far.
It’s going to be good again, many times the journey is more important than the end result. This is fun...and I look forward to next season.
I’m sure we all agree that this isn’t just a matter of replacing parts. Coach is building a new brand at Pitt, this is a long term vision, not something that would be completed in a season...or even two.
Yes we all want improvement. I’m there too. But we also wants individuals who want to be at Pitt, to wear our colors proudly. And whoever decides that they want to be a panther, well, now they are part of the family and deserve our support.
Better times are ahead my friends. I can’t even begin to understand the anxiety and frustration of recruiting today. There are too many new variables. I played a sport at Pitt back in the early 90’s, recruiting across all sports seemed to be easier then. I give the current coaching staff a lot of credit for the work they have done so far.
It’s going to be good again, many times the journey is more important than the end result. This is fun...and I look forward to next season.
If any of the eight players I listed get hurt, it would be devastating. If two would get hurt..
Having a brand and a vision doesn't automatically preclude an adequate roster.
Maybe there is an ace or two up Capel's sleeve, but the clock is ticking.
Somebody immediately eligible should be visiting.
I hope we’re not seriously relying on Curtis Aiken Jr to ever be anything more than a warm body. He was an above average WPIAL player. Anyone we could put on scholarship would be better. If that’s the roster of contributors, this season could see a major step backwards in terms of wins
Most likely, yeah this is it.
But, still time for HCJC to pull a rabbit out or two out of the hat.
Just hard to fathom adding only Coulibaly in the post with such a huge screaming need there, even more so with Kene's injury status.
Who knows if there is anything going on with him, but Johns could help a bit this year at C. Given the endless stream of misses there, I would take a roll of the dice on him in a heartbeat.
And, still could get some miracle on a re-class.
Guard is waffer thin, but hard to see them adding more there.
They will better with age and maturity for X, Trey, Toney and Brown ... But, will be a real grind with so little depth as it stands now.
But, still time for HCJC to pull a rabbit out or two out of the hat.
Just hard to fathom adding only Coulibaly in the post with such a huge screaming need there, even more so with Kene's injury status.
Who knows if there is anything going on with him, but Johns could help a bit this year at C. Given the endless stream of misses there, I would take a roll of the dice on him in a heartbeat.
And, still could get some miracle on a re-class.
Guard is waffer thin, but hard to see them adding more there.
They will better with age and maturity for X, Trey, Toney and Brown ... But, will be a real grind with so little depth as it stands now.
Some nice pieces have been added, and I still don't understand why a Grad Transfer wasn't added. I know Capel attempted at a few guys, but someone could've been added to the roster.
Especially Toney and Brown, take a step forward...All 4 starters.
I’m not sure how you could see a step backwards in wins when we return four starters and are upgrading the bench in a significant way with the additions of Drumgoole, Champagnie, Murphy and Coulibaly. Especially when the ACC has several teams who lose way more talent than we do.
The 2019 rotation of X, Trey, Murphy, Toney, Drumgoole, Coulibaly, Champagnie, and Brown is significantly better than the 2018 rotation of X, Trey, Sidy, Toney, JWF, Ellison, Chukwuka, and Brown if, for no other reason, than the expected jumps from all of the 2018-19 freshmen who will be the backbone of the team. Wins are built in the backcourt, and we’ll have one of the better pairs of guards in the conference.
You don’t just add wins because people are older. We are bringing in the 9th best class in the league right now and we’re ranked over some of the teams behind us simply with numbers.
Not trying to be a downer at all, but every other team is adding more talented players and outside of Drumgoole not sure any of those other guys will be any good next year. Just thinking we can duplicate last season’s win total by Trey and X getting better as if no one else is working to get better is not really the best option in college basketball imo
I will say this. On the day of June 1, this has to be the least amount of scholarship players we've ever had. 9. 10 if you count Kene whose Pitt career may already be over. Throw in Samson George who is more of a walk-on level and we only really have 8 players.
George is a walk on who for some reason, we are giving a ship too so he can get his degree. great for him, not really great for pitt hoops.
Yea but to be fair, he has never taken someone else's spot. I dont mind having a scholarship walk-on as long as they aren't taking the spot of a real player.
so in short, since we cant get any players to play here, lets just let him have it? Sure, why not..
since we are at it, lets just do this every year. only use 12 scholarships, give one away to a nice kid to get free schooling.
I guess in recent history.
Some of those late 80s/early 90s teams had equipment managers as the 8th man ...
Basically, yea. It isn't costing Pitt that much. I know it'll say it costs 50K/year to educate and house him because he isn't a PA resident but the reality is, him taking a seat in class costs next to nothing. And he probably is NEC or PSAC level so he's a little higher caliber than a traditional walk-on. It is alarming though that we cant find ANYBODY better.
Year to year rankings in college basketball isn't as important as looking at the overall roster. Pitt's roster improved last year and again for next season. Ideally, they make more progress on the court so recruiting becomes easier.
Your take on the new recruits and winning- you left out the other end of the spectrum. Pitt isn't losing as much talent as other teams.
Personally, I think Pitt will improve their ACC record because of the experience of X, Trey and Toney. They lost a handful of winnable games last year largely due to inexperience. The 3 the incoming freshmen will help improve team rebounding and defense. The key offensively will Trey being more consistent and replacing Frame's production with (Murphy and Drumgoole).
I think there was an Antigua brother that was either some equipment manager but then he started wearing a uniform and sitting on the bench as a player, that was in mid 90's. Was confusing to say the least.
Not Orlando, I liked him but a brother, then atilla Crosby started beating him up in practices and who the heck knows what was going on.. equipment managers as players, players breaking into homes on road trips.. No wonder why those teams sucked..
Players that we know of, who is left?
Quinerly had an official - even if we get him, likely has to sit
Bilau had an unofficial - seems he may have problems qualifying
Nigel John and Joe Jones - where are the scheduled visits
Cumberland - thirteenNine says he is going to Cincy - Corey Evans has Oregon as the team to beat
Johnny Walker, Myles Stute, whatever happened to Ojiacko, etc
Resolution needs to come and soon.
Very true - but there is no reason to stand pat with what we have and stop there - there is no question we need more (even on the margins) right now
That’s about where I’m at. Last season, Pitt was one of the unluckiest teams in college basketball (#340) according to Ken Pomeroy’s luck metric - that almost has to revert to somewhere resembling the mean for next season, and that likely means at least a few more wins - especially if, like me, you believe that our poor luck last year can largely be attributed to the inexperienced backcourt we had that will no longer be inexperienced in 2019-20.
For win total purposes, wish it was still an 18 game ACC schedule and get 2 more winnable OOC games, but what can ya do...
The home slate of ACC games is manageable, but the road games are a gauntlet, to say the very least. 3-5 game improvement should be the outlook.
I'd have to look closer at last year's and this year's OOC schedule, but still some tough games for 2019 out there.
The home slate of ACC games is manageable, but the road games are a gauntlet, to say the very least. 3-5 game improvement should be the outlook.
I'd have to look closer at last year's and this year's OOC schedule, but still some tough games for 2019 out there.
They'll almost certainly get a grad-transfer backup PG to replace Sidy. I don't know who it will be but given Sidy's performance last year and the expectations this year, I'm also not very worried about it. The expectations just aren't that high for that position.
If we could get someone to eat 15 mins per game at C I would be thrilled. I also have faith that will happen, I'm just not certain that it will.
If we could get someone to eat 15 mins per game at C I would be thrilled. I also have faith that will happen, I'm just not certain that it will.
I thought 100% without a doubt, we were going to dramatically upgrade our post situation from Brown and Kene. Fast forward 4 months and we still have Brown and Kene but kene will be out most of the season.
Not the upgrade I was expecting..
Yeah I guess I’m counting out Karim Coulaliby as a contributor for this year... we did beat out two teams that had to fire their coaches in inferior conferences for him.
Cmon you guys can’t serjously think he’s gonna be any help next season. He may be down the line but based on who we beat out he can’t next year. Unless every staff in America was wrong except ours.
You know, it’s called a sophomore slump for a reason. You can only get so much better from year 1 to year 2 with limited time with coaches. Expectations should be tempered for the season until we have more clarity of who else will be in the front court because X and Trey won’t be able to do it alone
Cmon you guys can’t serjously think he’s gonna be any help next season. He may be down the line but based on who we beat out he can’t next year. Unless every staff in America was wrong except ours.
You know, it’s called a sophomore slump for a reason. You can only get so much better from year 1 to year 2 with limited time with coaches. Expectations should be tempered for the season until we have more clarity of who else will be in the front court because X and Trey won’t be able to do it alone
I’m very high on Coulibaly. I think he could step in and start at the 4 and give solid backup minutes at the 5. He was one of the best forwards in the Gauntlet last year; there’s a reason why he was a top-100 recruit a year ago and why teams like Virginia, Cincinnati, and UConn were interested.
Quinerly is a long term play have to look at him as a 2020 guy. Bilau is weird to me. I have watched a few of his games, and he is to talented and athletic to still be out their and not a decommit. Bilau is my favorite by a mile out of the bigs left.
John and Jones seem like upside bigs that at best give you 10 minutes a game. Cumberland seems like a no at this point.
If Pitt swings and misses on the whole list I think you see Capel offer some grad transfers that are not ACC caliber to have some warm bodies. My ideal situation is Quinerly and Bilau plus a grad transfer guard. You will see at least 2 more bodies added, but the quality of player is up in the air.
His committable options were Pitt, Tulane (who was fired) and st joes (who was unjustly fired). I don’t care who was interested in him before that.
We seem to be forgetting a team like Boston College had Ky Bowman and Jerome Robinson and topped out at 17 wins. Robinson was the second best player in the league that season. This league is a BEAR. They need more than 8 guys who can step on the floor next year
Agree - just worried because I see very few signs of what you suggest coming to fruition
I won't be happy if we have to sign non ACC caliber players, but I will be infinitely more unhappy if Capel does not at least have that as a option. We can't have an eight man team.
I believe Pitt will get one out of Bilau and Nigel John. We'll see about Quinerly. Mystery recruit maybe? Maybe keep a scholarship for 2020, but I wish Pitt would/could get a Grad Transfer of some note.
Probably thinks step back due to two (2) fewer cupcakes OOC in exchange for 2 more ACC regular season games--20 games vs last season's 18 ACC regular season plus the loss of JWF and Sidy N'Dir with only Murphy coming in as an experienced college level 3-point shooter. Also, the injury to Chukwuka a factor.
Listen this isn’t doom and gloom or sky is falling, I think Capel is the right man for the job. However, I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t disappointed in his recruiting so far. I think this class is below average for the ACC, not really a stretch to say that, and drumgoole is the only one I’m confident in being good enough for the league.
Spare me with the but he got X and Trey comments. X was terrific last year, Trey had his moments, but we won 3 acc games. If X leaves after this season we’re right back to where we were.
Also regarding the X and Trey comments, yes those were big lands. But just because I give wanny credit for landing shady, doesn’t mean he gets a pass for not surrounding him with at least enough talent/coaching to win the league. You can criticize their efforts and have a measured view
Spare me with the but he got X and Trey comments. X was terrific last year, Trey had his moments, but we won 3 acc games. If X leaves after this season we’re right back to where we were.
Also regarding the X and Trey comments, yes those were big lands. But just because I give wanny credit for landing shady, doesn’t mean he gets a pass for not surrounding him with at least enough talent/coaching to win the league. You can criticize their efforts and have a measured view
Wow. So Brown, X, and Murph are actually by age supposed to more than a college freshman since Trey and Toney are young because of reclassifying. That would have to be the youngest and most inexperienced roster in almost all of P5 college basketball and even beyond.
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