It’s time to end the PN era

[Saboteur II]

If you don’t want a new HC, then it will get worse before it gets better.
He’s is not a good CEO. He isn’t even average (against D1 teams).
I’m not going to move out of the country if he stays, but my donation for Club seats is on the table.

 

[HailtoPitt]

It doesn't matter. There is no coach Pitt can bring in who will do better and won't leave the minute he gets a bigger offer. Pitt is not a big time program. Hasn't been for decades. And they don't have the commitment to make it so. Nor do the donors. And without the revenue schools in the BIG and SEC receive, it's going to be too costly to run the other programs as well. Look at Victory Heights and an example. How long will it take to pay that boondoggle off and then the millions remaining on Narduzzi's when he is fired?

I spent 20 years going to games, thinking and hoping it would change. It's not going to.

 

[bwh05]

If you don’t want a new HC, then it will get worse before it gets better.
He’s is not a good CEO. He isn’t even average (against D1 teams).
I’m not going to move out of the country if he stays, but my donation for Club seats is on the table.

I just don’t see how he’s going anywhere with what we owe him unless he retires, which I also don’t see happening.

 

[Gregpitt]

What happened from defeating say...the Cuse handedly (who is neck and neck with UM and now)?

I am NOT defending anyone....asking. Did coaching change?

Who got hurt? Our QB. How many OL? WR? DT?

I am NOT saying it's NOT time to move on...this just needs to be part of the conversation.

So for me, it's the management of the game and odd decisions - keeping the small RB in on 3rd or 4th and 3. Not throwing to the TE. Odd timeout or not calling timeouts at the right times. Just seems he doesn't have "control" of the games while leading.

 

[BreakingPitt]

Get a QB. Yarnell is a turtle.

 

[303vND]

It doesn't matter. There is no coach Pitt can bring in who will do better and won't leave the minute he gets a bigger offer. Pitt is not a big time program. Hasn't been for decades. And they don't have the commitment to make it so. Nor do the donors. And without the revenue schools in the BIG and SEC receive, it's going to be too costly to run the other programs as well. Look at Victory Heights and an example. How long will it take to pay that boondoggle off and then the millions remaining on Narduzzi's when he is fired?

I spent 20 years going to games, thinking and hoping it would change. It's not going to.

I ABSOLUTELY HATE THAT WE CANT DO BETTER BULLCHIT!

 

[WishfulPanther]

Nah. He earned 1 more year..

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

If you don’t want a new HC, then it will get worse before it gets better.
He’s is not a good CEO. He isn’t even average (against D1 teams).
I’m not going to move out of the country if he stays, but my donation for Club seats is on the table.

The argument is that its more important to spend would-be buyout money on players but are there donors out there willing to spend big to have Narduzzi coach the players they buy?

Heather did a lot of damage here even though most of you were her cheerleaders. He didnt deserve a lifetime contract for winning going 11-2 (or 3) against a weak schedule and with 2 generational players that he was never going to have again.

The buyout is too great right now. But under .500 next year and Greene won't have a choice. You cant go 3-9, then have the 1st 5 game losing streak in 23 years, then go say, 5-7.

He's coaching for his job in 2025.

 

[PANTHERAN]

I ABSOLUTELY HATE THAT WE CANT DO BETTER BULLCHIT!

If I could like this comment a hundred times, I would!

 

[rmf05]

The problems go far beyond Narduzzi and the cost of firing him would actually be worse than keeping him for another year or 2.

This is a true no win situation. Not even Captain Kirk could steer us out of this.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

What happened from defeating say...the Cuse handedly (who is neck and neck with UM and now)?

I am NOT defending anyone....asking. Did coaching change?

Who got hurt? Our QB. How many OL? WR? DT?

I am NOT saying it's NOT time to move on...this just needs to be part of the conversation.

So for me, it's the management of the game and odd decisions - keeping the small RB in on 3rd or 4th and 3. Not throwing to the TE. Odd timeout or not calling timeouts at the right times. Just seems he doesn't have "control" of the games while leading.

#1 - The Syracuse game was a fluke. That was a 50/50 game where McCord made some bad reads/throws.

#2 - If you cant beat or even be competitive with Lou, BC, UVa with a couple backups, then that is damning. These arent good teams who are beating us.

 

[PANTHERAN]

The problems go far beyond Narduzzi and the cost of firing him would actually be worse than keeping him for another year or 2.

This is a true no win situation. Not even Captain Kirk could steer us out of this.

I understand you probably can’t fire Narduzzi because of the contract. But if you could , why wouldn’t you? We know what he is as a HC. Why not try to be better?

Plus trends matter and he is trending towards becoming a sub-500 coach. 2 more years of him could see this program really bottom out to pre-Walt Harris levels.

You are correct. This is a really bad situation right now!

 

[303vND]

I understand you probably can’t fire Narduzzi because of the contract. But if you could , why wouldn’t you? We know what he is as a HC. Why not try to be better?

Plus trends matter and he is trending towards becoming a sub-500 coach. 2 more years of him could see this program really bottom out to pre-Walt Harris levels.

You are correct. This is a really bad situation right now!

That’s why you hire smart people who can negotiate a buyout.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

That’s why you hire smart people who can negotiate a buyout.

As for negotiating a buyout, I think the play is for Greene to have a heart to heart with Narduzzi. Tell him to go look at those high paying DC jobs. Couldn't he make about $2 million? No recruiting. No talking with agents or bagmen. Then tell him if he lands one, we'll pay him $2-$3 million/year to go and take it.

 

[PittPharm2002]

What happened from defeating say...the Cuse handedly (who is neck and neck with UM and now)?

I am NOT defending anyone....asking. Did coaching change?

Who got hurt? Our QB. How many OL? WR? DT?

I am NOT saying it's NOT time to move on...this just needs to be part of the conversation.

So for me, it's the management of the game and odd decisions - keeping the small RB in on 3rd or 4th and 3. Not throwing to the TE. Odd timeout or not calling timeouts at the right times. Just seems he doesn't have "control" of the games while leading.

We got 3 pick 6s and the offense still sputtered

 

[HailToPitt1985]

I didn't watch the game because I wanted to watch a replay of when Pitt defeated O$U in basketball yesterday. Much more enjoyable.

But after watching what I could endure of this Pitt team and coaching staff this year, particularly Narduzzi, this looks a lot like a Foge Fazio-coached team (God rest his soul). And what happened to Foge?

The good news is basketball season is here and we have a pretty good team in that sport. Time to put a ribbon on the football season and root for basketball success.

 

[303vND]

As for negotiating a buyout, I think the play is for Greene to have a heart to heart with Narduzzi. Tell him to go look at those high paying DC jobs. Couldn't he make about $2 million? No recruiting. No talking with agents or bagmen. Then tell him if he lands one, we'll pay him $2-$3 million/year to go and take it.

Nope that’s not it…no one wants Narduzzi’s defense. You tell him take this amount or we’ll pay you over 50 years.

 

[HailtoPitt]

I ABSOLUTELY HATE THAT WE CANT DO BETTER BULLCHIT!

I didn't say they can't. The problem has been that they won't.

 

[pittmeister]

That’s why you hire smart people who can negotiate a buyout.

What leverage do you have? If he doesn’t want to negotiate, you gotta pay all of it…..Not realistic…

 

[Las Panteras]

As for negotiating a buyout, I think the play is for Greene to have a heart to heart with Narduzzi. Tell him to go look at those high paying DC jobs. Couldn't he make about $2 million? No recruiting. No talking with agents or bagmen. Then tell him if he lands one, we'll pay him $2-$3 million/year to go and take it.

I agree.

Malzahn is leaving HC at UCF to be the OC at FSU. He seems to be a guy that just wants to be left alone to coach football. Much like Narduzzi, i think.

If I had to guess....Malzahn was given a deal very similar to what you have outlined.

I hope Greene goes down this road. Ending the Narduzzi era as soon as possible is the highest card Pitt has to play.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I agree.

Malzahn is leaving HC at UCF to be the OC at FSU. He seems to be a guy that just wants to be left alone to coach football. Much like Narduzzi, i think.

If I had to guess....Malzahn was given a deal very similar to what you have outlined.

I hope Greene goes down this road. Ending the Narduzzi era as soon as possible is the highest card Pitt has to play.

Yea hoping for this. Maybe we can send his bill to Heather for malpractice. She left us with a volleyball albatross and a $7/million HC who couldn't land a MAC job right now.

 

[303vND]

I agree.

Malzahn is leaving HC at UCF to be the OC at FSU. He seems to be a guy that just wants to be left alone to coach football. Much like Narduzzi, i think.

If I had to guess....Malzahn was given a deal very similar to what you have outlined.

I hope Greene goes down this road. Ending the Narduzzi era as soon as possible is the highest card Pitt has to play.

Have you’ve seen Narduzzi’s defense lately? On second thought..have you’ve seen his defense over the last decade?

 

[303vND]

What leverage do you have? If he doesn’t want to negotiate, you gotta pay all of it…..Not realistic…

Yeah…pay it over 50 years.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Have you’ve seen Narduzzi’s defense lately? On second thought..have you’ve seen his defense over the last decade?

I think I saw it on the side of a milk carton. Does that count?

 

[Saboteur II]

What happened from defeating say...the Cuse handedly (who is neck and neck with UM and now)?

I am NOT defending anyone....asking. Did coaching change?

Who got hurt? Our QB. How many OL? WR? DT?

I am NOT saying it's NOT time to move on...this just needs to be part of the conversation.

So for me, it's the management of the game and odd decisions - keeping the small RB in on 3rd or 4th and 3. Not throwing to the TE. Odd timeout or not calling timeouts at the right times. Just seems he doesn't have "control" of the games while leading.

The CUSE game was a fluke. If you look at what we did on offense you’ll see the truth. Look at his body of work against D1 teams.
Look at his miserable handling of 2023.

His time needs to end.

 

[Gregpitt]

Finishing strong and great for recruiting....

 

[Gregpitt]

The CUSE game was a fluke. If you look at what we did on offense you’ll see the truth. Look at his body of work against D1 teams.
Look at his miserable handling of 2023.

His time needs to end.

Thank you for information that helps with this discussion (NOT sarcasm) because I wanted to hear facts and reason. I am an emotional person by nature so I want to read facts to support or re-direct emotions - not more "we just don't like him" stuff. TY

 

[MorningCoffee13]

It doesn't matter. There is no coach Pitt can bring in who will do better and won't leave the minute he gets a bigger offer. Pitt is not a big time program. Hasn't been for decades. And they don't have the commitment to make it so. Nor do the donors. And without the revenue schools in the BIG and SEC receive, it's going to be too costly to run the other programs as well. Look at Victory Heights and an example. How long will it take to pay that boondoggle off and then the millions remaining on Narduzzi's when he is fired?

I spent 20 years going to games, thinking and hoping it would change. It's not going to.

That’s fine. Let them leave. But give me that great season. It ain’t happening with Pat and he will no longer allow assistants to overshadow him.

 

[PANTHERAN]

The CUSE game was a fluke. If you look at what we did on offense you’ll see the truth. Look at his body of work against D1 teams.
Look at his miserable handling of 2023.

His time needs to end.

I can’t disagree. I wish I could but I can’t. I wanted him to get Pitt to at least 9 wins every year but I know after 10 years especially the last 2, it won’t happen.

 

[pafootballguy]

Is Pat a great coach no and maybe someone else would be better but the one thing the best programs in college football have is complete alignment from the board, president, AD, and boosters. Does Pitt have that because without it no coach will ton of games.

 

[303vND]

Is Pat a great coach no and maybe someone else would be better but the one thing the best programs in college football have is complete alignment from the board, president, AD, and boosters. Does Pitt have that because without it no coach will ton of games.

Well neither the current Chancellor or AD hired nor extended him.

 

[pafootballguy]

Well neither the current Chancellor or AD hired nor extended him.

That is true but no really the point I was trying to make.

If Pat decides he wanted to make a change at OC this off-season and went to the AD and asked for 1.75 million to hire the guy he wanted what would be the answer be? How about increasing the recruiting staff or the number off field assistants. Alignment means the AD says yes and then goes out to the boasters or the administration for the money. That is how the programs Pitt wants to compete with work, they find the resources on money the program needs to win.

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

That is true but no really the point I was trying to make.

If Pat decides he wanted to make a change at OC this off-season and went to the AD and asked for 1.75 million to hire the guy he wanted what would be the answer be? How about increasing the recruiting staff or the number off field assistants. Alignment means the AD says yes and then goes out to the boasters or the administration for the money. That is how the programs Pitt wants to compete with work, they find the resources on money the program needs to win.

You are right. It just matters more to massive land grant institutions like Ped State who are willing to hide the actions of a DC who raped little boys in order to win football games and pretend they won with honor. No argument from me.

 

[pafootballguy]

You are right. It just matters more to massive land grant institutions like Ped State who are willing to hide the actions of a DC who raped little boys in order to win football games and pretend they won with honor. No argument from me.

Do you think Dabo or Cristoball are being told no when they ask for something. You don't hire an OC from Western Carolina if administration is giving you everything you need.

 

[BreakingPitt]

Pitt makes me hate football.
Opening kickoff. Of course. Holding. Start at your own 8. Basically give the other team points already instead of just starting at the 25.
How many dropped passes?
How many injuries?
Is this really on Duzz?
All it means is that we are stuck watching a shitty team year after year.
So much more to bitch about but what's the point?

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

Do you think Dabo or Cristoball are being told no when they ask for something. You don't hire an OC from Western Carolina if administration is giving you everything you need.

I agree with you. Football isn’t prioritized at Pitt like it is at other places. Pitt would have shut down the football program if the Penn State Rape Scandal had happened here. At a place like Ped State it is just a minor speed bump onto their way to more wins in football.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

Do you think Dabo or Cristoball are being told no when they ask for something. You don't hire an OC from Western Carolina if administration is giving you everything you need.

Chip Kelly was the OC at New Hampshire before going to Oregon. Bell supposedly interviewed a lot better than the fired OC from psu who was the second choice. Fans clamored for a young and climbing coach after Cignetti and Bell fit the bill.

 

[Islanderpanther]

Is Pat a great coach no and maybe someone else would be better but the one thing the best programs in college football have is complete alignment from the board, president, AD, and boosters. Does Pitt have that because without it no coach will ton of games.

Narduzzi has had more support from the Pitt admin than any coach in the history of Pitt FB… and no one has done less with that considerable support… he’s the essence of mediocrity!

 

[Pitt666]

Narduzzi has had more support from the Pitt admin than any coach in the history of Pitt FB… and no one has done less with that considerable support… he’s the essence of mediocrity!

I was going to say Pitt was the only team aside from SMU or Miami to win an ACC championship other than Clemson and FSU in how many years. Pitt may remain that team if Clemson wins next week.

 

[Islanderpanther]

I was going to say Pitt was the only team aside from SMU or Miami to win an ACC championship other than Clemson and FSU in how many years. Pitt may remain that team if Clemson wins next week.

Pitt could go 7-5 the next 5 years and all we will hear is that 2021 proves Narduzzi is a good coach notwithstanding that his entire body of work wouldn’t support that conclusion.