It’s time to end the PN era

[pafootballguy]

Narduzzi has had more support from the Pitt admin than any coach in the history of Pitt FB… and no one has done less with that considerable support… he’s the essence of mediocrity!

College football is so much different than it was even a decade ago so it is hard to compare coaches over the years.

Fans are upset with seven wins but I would argue that Pitt and the boasters do not invest enough in the program to be much better than 7-5 to 8-4 most years with 5-7 and 6-6 mixed in. It is really hard to be a 9 win program in college football.

 

[Pitt666]

Pitt could go 7-5 the next 5 years and all we will hear is that 2021 proves Narduzzi is a good coach notwithstanding that his entire body of work wouldn’t support that conclusion.

But how do you judge good work? I want a playoff appearance every few years. 2021 would have been that. There was a possibility this year, unexpectedly for that. No other ACC coach has done what Duzz has done outside of Clemson and fsu. So you rationale is let’s fire the one guy who has done something at Pitt that no other coach in the ACC has done…. How will that attract a top tier coach exactly?

 

[Islanderpanther]

College football is so much different than it was even a decade ago so it is hard to compare coaches over the years.

Fans are upset with seven wins but I would argue that Pitt and the boasters do not invest enough in the program to be much better than 7-5 to 8-4 most years with 5-7 and 6-6 mixed in. It is really hard to be a 9 win program in college football.

I describe your viewpoint as the Branch Campus Dummy position wrapped in a classic pedophile shaded blue and white ribbon.

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

Charles Huff - Marshall
He doesn’t have a buyout as of now and is getting paid about 750k.

There’s a realistic option.

 

[pafootballguy]

I describe your viewpoint as the Branch Campus Dummy position wrapped in a classic pedophile shaded blue and white ribbon.

You want to compete with Clemson and Miami while spending far less on football than those programs.

There was a total of 11 power conference programs that averaged more than 9 wins a season and 25 that averaged more than 8 in the 2010s.

 

[BreakingPitt]

I'm starting to think all Pitt fans are losers that's why the team has sucked for 45 years.
We live in the past. That is soo lame.

 

[pittmeister]

Once again, it doesn’t make you feel any better, but Pitt’s dilemma is shared by many…

I’ll give you one example… Kentucky… Mark Stoops is in his 12th year as coach of the Wildcats. He went from SEC coach of the year in 2018 to 4-8 this year. Overall he’s 67-72

Making big bucks (9 million per year) and that’s what they get? His buy out is 44 million….Ouch They are stuck together for a few more years…

There are many more…. FSU? How can a coach go from 13-1 to 2-10 in one season? Easy… He ain’t got the players! They screwed up in the portal!

There’s also….USC, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Florida, Wisconsin, etc….

 

[pittmeister]

I'm starting to think all Pitt fans are losers that's why the team has sucked for 45 years.
We live in the past. That is soo lame.

The losers are the ones who don’t see the reality of the situation. They aren’t big donors (if they donate at all). They complain. They want everyone fired. But don’t want to do what’s necessary to make it happen…. Like, sending money….

 

[BreakingPitt]

I have never cared less about Pitt football in my life.
5 losses in a row? Comedy of errors every game .
The joke has to start somewhere ?

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

Narduzzi has had more support from the Pitt admin than any coach in the history of Pitt FB… and no one has done less with that considerable support… he’s the essence of mediocrity!

And yet that administration won't think about firing him for a second because they won't make the financial commitment to do it. The donors won't either.

We can't keep our own players and we can't steal anyone else's, because there isn't enough money. We can't steal anyone's coaches either unless they're coming from FCS.

So the Pitt administration may have given Duzz more support than any other coach, but it's still woefully short.

Everyone can bitch all they want, but unless a bunch of checks get written, nothing is going to happen.

 

[TD_6082]

What happened from defeating say...the Cuse handedly (who is neck and neck with UM and now)?

I am NOT defending anyone....asking. Did coaching change?

Who got hurt? Our QB. How many OL? WR? DT?

I am NOT saying it's NOT time to move on...this just needs to be part of the conversation.

So for me, it's the management of the game and odd decisions - keeping the small RB in on 3rd or 4th and 3. Not throwing to the TE. Odd timeout or not calling timeouts at the right times. Just seems he doesn't have "control" of the games while leading.

Management of the game has nothing to do with it.

Basically, the meat of the schedule was on the backend. SMU, Louisville, and Clemson have a lot better material than Pitt. Pitt choked a game away vs UVA And Pitt isn't going to beat any ACC team with the group that took the field today.

 

[TD_6082]

And yet that administration won't think about firing him for a second because they won't make the financial commitment to do it. The donors won't either.

We can't keep our own players and we can't steal anyone else's, because there isn't enough money. We can't steal anyone's coaches either unless they're coming from FCS.

So the Pitt administration may have given Duzz more support than any other coach, but it's still woefully short.

Everyone can bitch all they want, but unless a bunch of checks get written, nothing is going to happen.

Firing Duzz is just setting fire to $20 million.

And investing a few extra million per year in NIL money per year isn't worth the investment, imo. There are no guarantees to win anything significant even with that kind of investment.

Winning seasons and bowl appearances is pretty much what Pitt competes for.

 

[Islanderpanther]

And yet that administration won't think about firing him for a second because they won't make the financial commitment to do it. The donors won't either.

We can't keep our own players and we can't steal anyone else's, because there isn't enough money. We can't steal anyone's coaches either unless they're coming from FCS.

So the Pitt administration may have given Duzz more support than any other coach, but it's still woefully short.

Everyone can bitch all they want, but unless a bunch of checks get written, nothing is going to happen.

And yet, and yet, and yet….stuttering excuse maker.

 

[PittPharm2002]

Firing Duzz is just setting fire to $20 million.

And investing a few extra million per year in NIL money per year isn't worth the investment, imo. There are no guarantees to win anything significant even with that kind of investment.

Winning seasons and bowl appearances is pretty much what Pitt competes for.

It’s not my money or yours
Why do you care?
Bowls don’t matter
The playoffs do

 

[303vND]

Do you think Dabo or Cristoball are being told no when they ask for something. You don't hire an OC from Western Carolina if administration is giving you everything you need.

No...you hire a OC from Western Carolina because other top OCs knows the HC always meddles and screws up a good thing. Ala - "We need to run the ball more.", after coming off your most successful season ever because you could throw the ball.

 

[303vND]

Retaining Duzz is just setting fire to $20 million.

And investing a few extra million per year in NIL money per year isn't worth the investment, imo. There are no guarantees to win anything significant even with that kind of investment.

Winning seasons and bowl appearances is pretty much what Pitt competes for.

Fixed.

 

[Saboteur II]

B

Nah. He earned 1 more year.

Nah. He earned 1 more year..

Based on what? His record against D1 teams the last 2 years is 8-14.
You want to argue it is too expensive to fire him, I’ll listen.
You want to argue he has “earned” another year, your standards are too low to take seriously.

 

[pierre93]

B



Based on what? His record against D1 teams the last 2 years is 8-14.
You want to argue it is too expensive to fire him, I’ll listen.
You want to argue he has “earned” another year, your standards are too low to take seriously.

You're not wrong! H2P

 

[WishfulPanther]

B



Based on what? His record against D1 teams the last 2 years is 8-14.
You want to argue it is too expensive to fire him, I’ll listen.
You want to argue he has “earned” another year, your standards are too low to take seriously.

His teams finished in the Top 25 2 out of the last 4 years with 1 conference title. If he can continue to get at least 8 win seasons from next year onwards he will keep the job as long as he wants. They really can't raise the bar on that at Pitt.

No one else will come in right away and get 8 win seasons. Who would want the job that could have winning seasons right away? Why rebuild all over again ?

 

[Islanderpanther]

His teams finished in the Top 25 2 out of the last 4 years with 1 conference title. If he can continue to get at least 8 win seasons from next year onwards he will keep the job as long as he wants. They really can't raise the bar on that at Pitt.

No one else will come in right away and get 8 win seasons. Who would want the job that could have winning seasons right away? Why rebuild all over again ?

Top 25 …2 out off 10 years! 2 losing records, one .500 season and one colossal collapse…tell the whole story! No one else could win 8 games…what a crock! The program is in worse condition than when he took it over.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

AD Greene, this is Snoop Dogg. We need to fire this meatball mofo and get us a real head coach.

 

[TD_6082]

It’s not my money or yours
Why do you care?
Bowls don’t matter
The playoffs do

Like I said, it doesn't matter one way or the other unless Pitt ups it's NIL game.

Tbh, I think a coaching change would most likely result in worse on the field results . Regardless, it's mostly wishful thinking that it would be any substantial improvement to the program.

That said, I think Pitt would greatly benefit from a James Franklin type coach. He totally changed the culture at Vanderbilt and actually had boosters buying a handful of players that other SEC programs coveted. He has the charisma to shakedown boosters and alums. The problem with his type, is that they have to win at historically high levels to stay employed. And when a change is made, the recoil is that you go back to recruiting on the cheap.

That's exactly what happened with Vandy basketball with the moves from Stallings/Drew/Stackhouse. Stallings didn't embrace the new culture. Drew seemed to be a great fit, but they were incredibly impatient, and Stack was a compromise outside the box hire.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

AD Greene, this is Snoop Dogg. We need to fire this meatball mofo and get us a real head coach.

Might work if the Steelers needed bailed out/NIL, but as it is that has about as much chance as Cuban and Tepper.

 

[tps48]

If you don’t want a new HC, then it will get worse before it gets better.
He’s is not a good CEO. He isn’t even average (against D1 teams).
I’m not going to move out of the country if he stays, but my donation for Club seats is on the table.

Why don't you pony up the 30 million or so remaking on his contract?

 

[PittPharm2002]

Like I said, it doesn't matter one way or the other unless Pitt ups it's NIL game.

Tbh, I think a coaching change would most likely result in worse on the field results . Regardless, it's mostly wishful thinking that it would be any substantial improvement to the program.

That said, I think Pitt would greatly benefit from a James Franklin type coach. He totally changed the culture at Vanderbilt and actually had boosters buying a handful of players that other SEC programs coveted. He has the charisma to shakedown boosters and alums. The problem with his type, is that they have to win at historically high levels to stay employed. And when a change is made, the recoil is that you go back to recruiting on the cheap.

That's exactly what happened with Vandy basketball with the moves from Stallings/Drew/Stackhouse. Stallings didn't embrace the new culture. Drew seemed to be a great fit, but they were incredibly impatient, and Stack was a compromise outside the box hire.

Seems we then need a coach who actually may motivate the boosters to fund nil
Pat ain’t it

 

[PittPharm2002]

Why don't you pony up the 30 million or so remaking on his contract?

Us common folks aren’t the ones who makes these commitments

Instead I’ll keep my $2k panther club donation and costs of season tickets .
I’ll buy hoops season tickets instead

 

[TD_6082]

Us common folks aren’t the ones who makes these commitments

Instead I’ll keep my $2k panther club donation and costs of season tickets .
I’ll buy hoops season tickets instead

You are free to do whatever you wish. For the sake of my kid, I also bite the bullet and force myself to attend several games of this wretched basketball conference.

 

[PittPharm2002]

You are free to do whatever you wish. For the sake of my kid, I also bite the bullet and force myself to attend several games of this wretched basketball conference.

I mean - I get a 14 year grace period

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

And yet, and yet, and yet….stuttering excuse maker.

Truth hurts. Feel free to start cutting fat checks and demand change. Otherwise, you don't matter.

 

[djbpitt]

Get a QB. Yarnell is a turtle.

He is Tall Tino.

 

[pittmeister]

Truth hurts. Feel free to start cutting fat checks and demand change. Otherwise, you don't matter.

He doesn't matter anyway.......😀

 

[Islanderpanther]

He doesn't matter anyway.......😀

I guarantee I matter more than you!

 

[pittmeister]

I guarantee I matter more than you!

Right!!!!! Hahhahaha! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

 

[Islanderpanther]

Right!!!!! Hahhahaha! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Guaranteed, champ!