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While something of a surprising invite, Jamel Artis' inclusion in the 2017 NBA draft combine in Chicago gave the former Pitt star an invaluable opportunity to showcase himself in front of hundreds of NBA coaches, executives and scouts.

For a fringe NBA prospect, one who is on the outside of most any mock draft you'll see, it was a pivotal moment, even if it's mostly a forum to receive physical measurements and undergo interviews with teams.

So how'd he fare?

Measurements

Height, without shoes: 6'5.5" (3rd among guard prospects)

Height, with shoes: 6'6.75" (4th among guard prospects)

Weight: 213.2 lbs (6th-highest among guard prospects)

Wingspan: 6'10" (6th among guard prospects)

Body fat percentage: 11.9 (62nd of 64 participating players)

Hand length: 9.25 inches (1st among guard prospects)

Hand width: 9.75 inches (4th among guard prospects)

Standing reach: 8'9" (2nd among guard prospects)

Shooting drills

Off the dribble, 15 feet, break left: 50 percent (10th of 26 participants)

Off the dribble, 15 feet, break right: 83.3 percent (1st of 26 participants)

Off the dribble, 15 feet, top of the key: 66.7 percent (10th of 26 participants)

On the move, 15 feet: 52.8 percent (23rd of 26 participants)

NBA 3, break left: 0 percent (last of 32 participants)

NBA 3, break right: 80 percent (1st of 32 participants)

NBA corner 3, left: 40 percent (24th of 32 participants)

NBA corner 3, right: 80 percent (4th of 32 participants)

NBA 3, top of the key: 60 percent (12th of 32 participants)

15 footer, break left: 40 percent (4th of 7 participants)

15 footer, break right: 60 percent (2nd of 7 participants)

15 footer, corner left: 60 percent (3rd of 6 participants)

15 footer, corner right: 60 percent (3rd of 7 participants)

15 footer, top of the key: 60 percent (3rd of 7 participants)

Strength and agility

Lane agility time: 11.62 seconds (33rd of 55 participants)

Shuttle run: 3.08 seconds (26th of 55 participants)

Three-quarter court sprint: 3.44 seconds (48th of 55 participants)

Standing vertical leap: 23.5 inches (last among 55 participants)

Max vertical leap: 31 inches (50th of 55 participants)

The rush of numbers can be a little overwhelming and can, understandably, prompt questions about what all of this means.

Artis was labeled as a shooting guard/small forward, which, even in an increasingly positionless league, basically means he'll be an off-ball wing. His physical measurements put him among the tallest and longest guard prospects, particularly with his height, reach and hand size. While his weight appears fine, his body fat percentage is quite noticeable, and not in a good way (though sports writers are hardly ones to critique the physical stature of pro basketball hopefuls).

His shooting numbers, when averaged out, put him around the middle of all players who took part at the combine, which isn't the most encouraging sign for a player who's trying to sell himself to NBA teams as a taller guard with a smooth outside stroke. As his speed and agility numbers indicated -- as well as his college tape -- he's not someone who can be relied on as a dribble penetrator who will blow by players with his quickness and athleticism. He is also, based on that small sample size of five shots per spot, more comfortable from the right side than the left, which isn't all that unusual for a right-hander like himself. The figures he posted on the vertical jumps aren't entirely surprising, but still awfully low.

Though it's not especially important for lottery prospects, hardly any of whom take part in them, the 5-on-5 scrimmages are an opportunity for players to show a level of skill and comfort in the closest thing the combine offers to a true game setting, albeit a very improvised and free-flowing one. In the two games he played, Artis was largely invisible, particularly while playing with ball-dominant guards like Frank Mason and Melo Trimble. It's not necessarily a shocking development -- Artis was, after all, one of the lower-rated participants there -- but having watched him be such an integral and needed component of Pitt's offense this season, it was a little strange. Offensively, he played almost entirely off the ball and usually stood around the perimeter. In his first game, he played with a defensive intensity I didn't see for much of the season, though that assertiveness waned a bit as the second of the two scrimmages went on. In a moment all-to-befitting of the combine's 5-on-5 drills, Artis switched teams about midway through the second half of the second scrimmage as the opposing squad, due to injuries, ran out of substitutes.

Stats were difficult to come by, but in the first scrimmage, he went scoreless, missing his lone shot attempt (a 3), while recording six rebounds, two assists and two turnovers in 22 minutes. I went the old-fashioned route for the second game and kept stats myself, but the ESPN feed kept cutting away for interviews and even commercials, so I wasn't able to get a fully accurate picture of what he did statistically. He did at least score, making a 3 from near the top of the key. Overall, though, his impact on the game was similarly negligible.

I don't know how much the combine necessarily hurt him since getting an invitation was an accomplishment in and of itself, and he may have fared extremely well in interviews, but I'm not sure how much he necessarily boosted his hopes of getting drafted.

But, as I've long said about Artis, he'll get paid good money to play the game he loves somewhere. And that's certainly something.


Craig Meyer: cmeyer@post-gazette.com and Twitter @CraigMeyerPG
 
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Stats were difficult to come by,


Especially, I guess, if you don't know how to use the internet. I mean it's not like the NBA didn't post the box scores of all that games. If you want to know what his stats were, instead of trying to count them from a television feed that apparently didn't work very well, just go to the web site and see what it says.

Nah, too tough, I guess.
 
How could he be third in height without shoes, but fourth with shoes? Did he wear flip flops?


Well first of all you are talking about quarters of an inch, so it really isn't any big deal.

However, of the guys who were listed as shooting guards/small forwards, Kyle Kuzma, Svi Mykhailiuk and VJ Beachem are all listed as being taller than Artis both with shoes and without. Artis, Terrance Ferguson and Wesley Iwundu all tied for fourth at 6' 5.5" without shoes, but Ferguson measured 6' 7" in shoes and Artis and Iwundu measured 6' 6.75".

In other words, no big deal.
 
I imagine he'll do the D-league for a few years and try to make the NBA before going for the big money in Italy, Spain, France, Turkey, or Greece (not sure how tje Greek league is doing though with the country's economic depression).

If it was me and I had an offer from a top European league or the D-league, I take Europe every time. Much more money and those top Euro spots are hard to come by. Some guys try to do the D-league thing and think they can fall back to a top Euro league but by that time, their European options dwindle.
 
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How could he be third in height without shoes, but fourth with shoes? Did he wear flip flops?

Artis chubbiness might be from his excessive munchies.

What you can read in these numbers - he is what he is, marginal athlete for this level, but an isolated number of strong skill areas that he could lean on at the D1 level and not a lot of work on his body/game over all.
 
What you can read in these numbers - he is what he is, marginal athlete for this level, but an isolated number of strong skill areas that he could lean on at the D1 level and not a lot of work on his body/game over all.
He's never been a NBA caliber wing athlete at his size. Those guys are off the charts from a skills and athleticism standpoint. He's caught in between-he'd have to be way more skilled-better shooter, handle, etc- to make it with his measurables, or way more athletic to make it with his skills.

I was a little surprised he got the combine invite, but I can see where he'd be at least somewhat intriguing to the NBA guys given his production at the highest level of college hoops.

No matter what, I won't miss him, or Young, at Pitt. And I say that knowing that we will be excruciatingly bad for at least the next couple of years.
 
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I imagine he'll do the D-league for a few years and try to make the NBA before going for the big money in Italy, Spain, France, Turkey, or Greece (not sure how tje Greek league is doing though with the country's economic depression).

If it was me and I had an offer from a top European league or the D-league, I take Europe every time. Much more money and those top Euro spots are hard to come by. Some guys try to do the D-league thing and think they can fall back to a top Euro league but by that time, their European options dwindle.

Artis was 24 years old on 1/12/17 ...... since it seems his chances at the NBA aren't very good, I would think that he likely will end up in Europe sooner than later.
 
He's never been a NBA caliber wing athlete at his size. Those guys are off the charts from a skills and athleticism standpoint. He's caught in between-he'd have to be way more skilled-better shooter, handle, etc- to make it with his measurables, or way more athletic to make it with his skills.

I was a little surprised he got the combine invite, but I can see where he'd be at least somewhat intriguing to the NBA guys given his production at the highest level of college hoops.

No matter what, I won't miss him, or Young, at Pitt. And I say that knowing that we will be excruciatingly bad for at least the next couple of years.
I'd love to have both guys again as freshman . Both are far superior to anyone on next yrs roster . Maybe under different leadership they'd be different players . Denying their talent is a joke . Young didn't come here to play the 5 nor did Artis sign up as the point guard . The lack of talent around them had a hugh impact on their development . They gave Pitt 4 yrs and while a lot of folks on here ridicule them they were really the only players that gave Pitt a chance to win any games the last two yrs . You can through in JRob too . I'm not forgetting Cam , but they were the show .
 
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While something of a surprising invite, Jamel Artis' inclusion in the 2017 NBA draft combine in Chicago gave the former Pitt star an invaluable opportunity to showcase himself in front of hundreds of NBA coaches, executives and scouts.

For a fringe NBA prospect, one who is on the outside of most any mock draft you'll see, it was a pivotal moment, even if it's mostly a forum to receive physical measurements and undergo interviews with teams.

So how'd he fare?

Measurements

Height, without shoes: 6'5.5" (3rd among guard prospects)

Height, with shoes: 6'6.75" (4th among guard prospects)

Weight: 213.2 lbs (6th-highest among guard prospects)

Wingspan: 6'10" (6th among guard prospects)

Body fat percentage: 11.9 (62nd of 64 participating players)

Hand length: 9.25 inches (1st among guard prospects)

Hand width: 9.75 inches (4th among guard prospects)

Standing reach: 8'9" (2nd among guard prospects)

Shooting drills

Off the dribble, 15 feet, break left: 50 percent (10th of 26 participants)

Off the dribble, 15 feet, break right: 83.3 percent (1st of 26 participants)

Off the dribble, 15 feet, top of the key: 66.7 percent (10th of 26 participants)

On the move, 15 feet: 52.8 percent (23rd of 26 participants)

NBA 3, break left: 0 percent (last of 32 participants)

NBA 3, break right: 80 percent (1st of 32 participants)

NBA corner 3, left: 40 percent (24th of 32 participants)

NBA corner 3, right: 80 percent (4th of 32 participants)

NBA 3, top of the key: 60 percent (12th of 32 participants)

15 footer, break left: 40 percent (4th of 7 participants)

15 footer, break right: 60 percent (2nd of 7 participants)

15 footer, corner left: 60 percent (3rd of 6 participants)

15 footer, corner right: 60 percent (3rd of 7 participants)

15 footer, top of the key: 60 percent (3rd of 7 participants)

Strength and agility

Lane agility time: 11.62 seconds (33rd of 55 participants)

Shuttle run: 3.08 seconds (26th of 55 participants)

Three-quarter court sprint: 3.44 seconds (48th of 55 participants)

Standing vertical leap: 23.5 inches (last among 55 participants)

Max vertical leap: 31 inches (50th of 55 participants)

The rush of numbers can be a little overwhelming and can, understandably, prompt questions about what all of this means.

Artis was labeled as a shooting guard/small forward, which, even in an increasingly positionless league, basically means he'll be an off-ball wing. His physical measurements put him among the tallest and longest guard prospects, particularly with his height, reach and hand size. While his weight appears fine, his body fat percentage is quite noticeable, and not in a good way (though sports writers are hardly ones to critique the physical stature of pro basketball hopefuls).

His shooting numbers, when averaged out, put him around the middle of all players who took part at the combine, which isn't the most encouraging sign for a player who's trying to sell himself to NBA teams as a taller guard with a smooth outside stroke. As his speed and agility numbers indicated -- as well as his college tape -- he's not someone who can be relied on as a dribble penetrator who will blow by players with his quickness and athleticism. He is also, based on that small sample size of five shots per spot, more comfortable from the right side than the left, which isn't all that unusual for a right-hander like himself. The figures he posted on the vertical jumps aren't entirely surprising, but still awfully low.

Though it's not especially important for lottery prospects, hardly any of whom take part in them, the 5-on-5 scrimmages are an opportunity for players to show a level of skill and comfort in the closest thing the combine offers to a true game setting, albeit a very improvised and free-flowing one. In the two games he played, Artis was largely invisible, particularly while playing with ball-dominant guards like Frank Mason and Melo Trimble. It's not necessarily a shocking development -- Artis was, after all, one of the lower-rated participants there -- but having watched him be such an integral and needed component of Pitt's offense this season, it was a little strange. Offensively, he played almost entirely off the ball and usually stood around the perimeter. In his first game, he played with a defensive intensity I didn't see for much of the season, though that assertiveness waned a bit as the second of the two scrimmages went on. In a moment all-to-befitting of the combine's 5-on-5 drills, Artis switched teams about midway through the second half of the second scrimmage as the opposing squad, due to injuries, ran out of substitutes.

Stats were difficult to come by, but in the first scrimmage, he went scoreless, missing his lone shot attempt (a 3), while recording six rebounds, two assists and two turnovers in 22 minutes. I went the old-fashioned route for the second game and kept stats myself, but the ESPN feed kept cutting away for interviews and even commercials, so I wasn't able to get a fully accurate picture of what he did statistically. He did at least score, making a 3 from near the top of the key. Overall, though, his impact on the game was similarly negligible.

I don't know how much the combine necessarily hurt him since getting an invitation was an accomplishment in and of itself, and he may have fared extremely well in interviews, but I'm not sure how much he necessarily boosted his hopes of getting drafted.

But, as I've long said about Artis, he'll get paid good money to play the game he loves somewhere. And that's certainly something.


Craig Meyer: cmeyer@post-gazette.com and Twitter @CraigMeyerPG
Thanks you. Love the detail of his game. Wish him well.
 
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I'd love to have both guys again as freshman . Both are far superior to anyone on next yrs roster . Maybe under different leadership they'd be different players . Denying their talent is a joke . Young didn't come here to play the 5 nor did Artis sign up as the point guard . The lack of talent around them had a hugh impact on their development . They gave Pitt 4 yrs and while a lot of folks on here ridicule them they were really the only players that gave Pitt a chance to win any games the last two yrs . You can through in JRob too . I'm not forgetting Cam , but they were the show .
Sobering but true
 
I'd love to have both guys again as freshman . Both are far superior to anyone on next yrs roster . Maybe under different leadership they'd be different players . Denying their talent is a joke . Young didn't come here to play the 5 nor did Artis sign up as the point guard . The lack of talent around them had a hugh impact on their development . They gave Pitt 4 yrs and while a lot of folks on here ridicule them they were really the only players that gave Pitt a chance to win any games the last two yrs . You can through in JRob too . I'm not forgetting Cam , but they were the show .
They accomplished nothing while they were here, except improving their own scoring averages. As seniors and the best players on the team, they never became leaders. The best players elevate their teams, even when their teams aren't very good. These guys never did that. They were selfish.

As for their talent, you're seeing the measure of it now. Pretty good college players, but neither will play in the NBA.

JROB was a completely different story. Despite his limitations he was the guts and glue that held this mess of a team together. We had no replacement for him, and it showed.
 
They accomplished nothing while they were here, except improving their own scoring averages. As seniors and the best players on the team, they never became leaders. The best players elevate their teams, even when their teams aren't very good. These guys never did that. They were selfish.

As for their talent, you're seeing the measure of it now. Pretty good college players, but neither will play in the NBA.

JROB was a completely different story. Despite his limitations he was the guts and glue that held this mess of a team together. We had no replacement for him, and it showed.
Not everyone is a leader , blaming two kids for not being what you want them to be is wrong . Had Pitt surrounded those two with a decent center and a quality point guard last yr or when JRob was here a center and shooting guard Pitt would've been very competitive .
A little story , Jim Valvano had three of his players in his office and he asked them what their plans were for their future . All three replied that they planned on playing in the NBA . This was prior to the influx of foreign players which would make the odds even tougher . He said there's roughly 300 NBA players and over 300 million people so that means it's 1/1,000,000 people who get to play in the NBA . So right now I'm ( Valvano ) looking at three guys who are 1/1,000,000 ! Meaning not everyone gets to play in the NBA no matter how good of a college player they are .
 
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