Jamie's last 6 classes

[Sean Miller Fan]

Using the following rating system based on their actual play:

0 star: no contribution or total miss
1 star: deep reserve, lower D1 or D2 level player
2 star: P5 bench player (7th-9th man)
3 star: good P5 starter
4 star: all-league
5 star: All-American

2010
JJ Moore: 2
Cam Wright: 2
Isaiah Epps: 1

2011
Jaylen Bond: n/a
Khem Birch: 0 based on his contribution
Malcolm Gilbert: 0 see above
John Johnson: 1 based on contribution, actual level of 2
Durand Johnson: 3

2012
James Robinson: 3
Steven Adams: 3
Chris Jones: 2

2013
Mike Young: 4
Jamel Artis: 4
Josh Newkirk: 2
Joe Uchebo: 1

2014
Cam Johnson: 3
Ryan Luther: 2
Sheldon Jeter: 2
Tyrone Haughton: 0

2015
Rozelle Nix: 1
Damon Wilson: 1
Jonathan Milligan: 1

2016
Justice Kithcart: 1
Corey Manigault: 1
Crisshawn Clark: 0

Every time you want to blame Stallings, you have to realize that this is honestly about as bad a recruiting stretch as a major D1 school can have and this is coming off of an Elite 8, #1 ranking, and 2 #1 seeds in 3 years. Some of it is due to bad luck (Birch/Bond, Adams leaving early), some of it is due to misevaluation (Epps, Konate, etc) and some of it is due to players not living up to ranking like Moore and Robinson.

It also didn't help that the 2 best talents, Young and Artis were low-character players that didn't buy-in to either coach and didn't make players around them better.

Around this same time, Jay Wright landed 11 Top 100 recruits in a row and every one of them lived up to expectations and they won a National Championship.

 

[pitt2533]

No need to rehash this. Anyone who is at all rational knows the recruiting went into the tank Dixon's last few years. And I will add my usual caveat that Dixon was the best Pitt coach ever so I am not attacking him. I am just pointing out reality which your info shows.

The problem now though, is that Stallings has not and doesn't appear to be anytime soon adding better talent than what is shown above except in a few instances. And that part of this mess is not on Dixon. That is on Stallings.

 

[Haydman]

Wow, here's a new and exciting thread.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Hot take

What prices for season tickets will pack the place?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Wow, here's a new and exciting thread.

Slow news day

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

Can we tarp this thread?

 

[oldharry]

Ah yes, another post defending Stallings by blasting Dixon. Reading the smut from smf and delpantherNOT Pitt must have finished last virtualy every year before Dixon left. Thank goodness Stallings brought in all that talent so we could finish below last . And op says don;t blame Stallings. who was it that worked to keep Dixon's last class instead of bringing in his great talent. And who couldn't keep Johnson here, probably because of his great coaching skills. And who brought in not ready for prime time players with every recruit. It must have been Dixon. Stallings is perfect right miller and delpantherNOT

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Ah yes, another post defending Stallings by blasting Dixon. Reading the smut from smf and delpantherNOT Pitt must have finished last virtualy every year before Dixon left. Thank goodness Stallings brought in all that talent so we could finish below last . And op says don;t blame Stallings. who was it that worked to keep Dixon's last class instead of bringing in his great talent. And who couldn't keep Johnson here, probably because of his great coaching skills. And who brought in not ready for prime time players with every recruit. It must have been Dixon. Stallings is perfect right miller and delpantherNOT

Goldbergfan, I dont get it. If I blasted Stallings and praised Dixon's recruiting efforts would that make me more of a Pitt fan? How many aliases is this for you now?

 

[gary2]

Using the following rating system based on their actual play:

0 star: no contribution or total miss
1 star: deep reserve, lower D1 or D2 level player
2 star: P5 bench player (7th-9th man)
3 star: good P5 starter
4 star: all-league
5 star: All-American

2010
JJ Moore: 2
Cam Wright: 2
Isaiah Epps: 1

2011
Jaylen Bond: n/a
Khem Birch: 0 based on his contribution
Malcolm Gilbert: 0 see above
John Johnson: 1 based on contribution, actual level of 2
Durand Johnson: 3

2012
James Robinson: 3
Steven Adams: 3
Chris Jones: 2

2013
Mike Young: 4
Jamel Artis: 4
Josh Newkirk: 2
Joe Uchebo: 1

2014
Cam Johnson: 3
Ryan Luther: 2
Sheldon Jeter: 2
Tyrone Haughton: 0

2015
Rozelle Nix: 1
Damon Wilson: 1
Jonathan Milligan: 1

2016
Justice Kithcart: 1
Corey Manigault: 1
Crisshawn Clark: 0

Every time you want to blame Stallings, you have to realize that this is honestly about as bad a recruiting stretch as a major D1 school can have and this is coming off of an Elite 8, #1 ranking, and 2 #1 seeds in 3 years. Some of it is due to bad luck (Birch/Bond, Adams leaving early), some of it is due to misevaluation (Epps, Konate, etc) and some of it is due to players not living up to ranking like Moore and Robinson.

It also didn't help that the 2 best talents, Young and Artis were low-character players that didn't buy-in to either coach and didn't make players around them better.

Around this same time, Jay Wright landed 11 Top 100 recruits in a row and every one of them lived up to expectations and they won a National Championship.

You left out Randall, Ziegler and the grad transfers

Also - John Johnson played a lot as a freshman - even started

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

Always thought things began to slip around the Birch, Bond class which also was the switch to ACC. But still not sure the exact reason.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Using the following rating system based on their actual play:

0 star: no contribution or total miss
1 star: deep reserve, lower D1 or D2 level player
2 star: P5 bench player (7th-9th man)
3 star: good P5 starter
4 star: all-league
5 star: All-American

2010
JJ Moore: 2
Cam Wright: 2
Isaiah Epps: 1

2011
Jaylen Bond: n/a
Khem Birch: 0 based on his contribution
Malcolm Gilbert: 0 see above
John Johnson: 1 based on contribution, actual level of 2
Durand Johnson: 3

2012
James Robinson: 3
Steven Adams: 3
Chris Jones: 2

2013
Mike Young: 4
Jamel Artis: 4
Josh Newkirk: 2
Joe Uchebo: 1

2014
Cam Johnson: 3
Ryan Luther: 2
Sheldon Jeter: 2
Tyrone Haughton: 0

2015
Rozelle Nix: 1
Damon Wilson: 1
Jonathan Milligan: 1

2016
Justice Kithcart: 1
Corey Manigault: 1
Crisshawn Clark: 0

Every time you want to blame Stallings, you have to realize that this is honestly about as bad a recruiting stretch as a major D1 school can have and this is coming off of an Elite 8, #1 ranking, and 2 #1 seeds in 3 years. Some of it is due to bad luck (Birch/Bond, Adams leaving early), some of it is due to misevaluation (Epps, Konate, etc) and some of it is due to players not living up to ranking like Moore and Robinson.

It also didn't help that the 2 best talents, Young and Artis were low-character players that didn't buy-in to either coach and didn't make players around them better.

Around this same time, Jay Wright landed 11 Top 100 recruits in a row and every one of them lived up to expectations and they won a National Championship.

You left out Randall, Ziegler and the grad transfers

Also - John Johnson played a lot as a freshman - even started

I didn't count transfers from D1 programs but that wouldn't have helped

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

The last 3 were embarrassingly bad and Stallings hasn't done much better. That's why Pitt BB is where it is.

 

[DT_PITT]

Can we tarp this thread?

Should the font on SMF's post be "Block Pitt" or "Script Pitt?"

 

[IamHeisenberg]

Could care less, only worried about what new Coach Toole will recruit or new Coach Miller.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

How many on campus stadiums can fit on the head of a pin? - Thomas Aquinas

 

[Fk_Pitt]

Using the following rating system based on their actual play:

0 star: no contribution or total miss
1 star: deep reserve, lower D1 or D2 level player
2 star: P5 bench player (7th-9th man)
3 star: good P5 starter
4 star: all-league
5 star: All-American

2010
JJ Moore: 2
Cam Wright: 2
Isaiah Epps: 1

2011
Jaylen Bond: n/a
Khem Birch: 0 based on his contribution
Malcolm Gilbert: 0 see above
John Johnson: 1 based on contribution, actual level of 2
Durand Johnson: 3

2012
James Robinson: 3
Steven Adams: 3
Chris Jones: 2

2013
Mike Young: 4
Jamel Artis: 4
Josh Newkirk: 2
Joe Uchebo: 1

2014
Cam Johnson: 3
Ryan Luther: 2
Sheldon Jeter: 2
Tyrone Haughton: 0

2015
Rozelle Nix: 1
Damon Wilson: 1
Jonathan Milligan: 1

2016
Justice Kithcart: 1
Corey Manigault: 1
Crisshawn Clark: 0

Every time you want to blame Stallings, you have to realize that this is honestly about as bad a recruiting stretch as a major D1 school can have and this is coming off of an Elite 8, #1 ranking, and 2 #1 seeds in 3 years. Some of it is due to bad luck (Birch/Bond, Adams leaving early), some of it is due to misevaluation (Epps, Konate, etc) and some of it is due to players not living up to ranking like Moore and Robinson.

It also didn't help that the 2 best talents, Young and Artis were low-character players that didn't buy-in to either coach and didn't make players around them better.

Around this same time, Jay Wright landed 11 Top 100 recruits in a row and every one of them lived up to expectations and they won a National Championship.

Actually that's not 6 recruiting classes as your thread title says. . You've listed 7. Therefore you're wrong. And all of this should be ignored, and we should just blame Stallings.

 

[Parkview57]

Anyone who is at all rational knows the recruiting went into the tank Dixon's last few years.

Which is why Dixon left, he knows he was not getting it done at Pitt. For the sake of the program and himself it was best to look elsewhere and give someone else a shot here. Why blame Dixon for Barnes' decision and Stallings' mediocre team building, recruiting, coaching, and below average "likability" ?

 

[PittFathead87]

Hey this is fun, now let's see Stalling's first two classes!

 

[pitt2533]

Which is why Dixon left, he knows he was not getting it done at Pitt. For the sake of the program and himself it was best to look elsewhere and give someone else a shot here. Why blame Dixon for Barnes' decision and Stallings' mediocre team building, recruiting, coaching, and below average "likability" ?

I blame Dixon for failing to recruit anything at all his last 3 seasons.

I won't blame Stallings or any coach who was hired after Dixon for rebuilding years because I realized the talent on the roster after Young and Artis was really bad.

On the flip side, I don't blame Dixon for Stallings shortcomings to this point. Stallings failing to land any impact players this past recruiting class or so far in 2018 is not Dixon's fault. So far Carr looks like he might be a good player if he can become more consistent, Stewart/Davis/Stephenson are maybes other than that not a sure fire type player. Stallings failing to add a PG or Big last year is not necessarily Dixon's fault especially the PG position.

 

[PittFathead87]

Do you think things would have gone differently if Stalling actually took Dixon's last tournament team, added to it, and won say 8 conference games and made the NCAA's? Might have been able to recruit a decent class with some impact players. But alas, he brought in no one and won 4 conference games.

Not that KS will get 4 years, but even then, there'd be the same guys blaming Dixon for KS failures.

 

[TreesHero]

Seven years of recruits yielded only one season of competent play at center (Adams). If you want to be generous, throw Birch into this category because that's where he played, but he was more of a defense/rebounding specialist at the time and had trouble earning minites. In addition, these seasons the program got from them were their most raw years as true freshman.

James Robinson was the one redeeming player at PG as he provided four seasons of solid play. Other than him--ugh!

And how many seasons did the Panthers get from a shooting specialist? I count three from Cam Johnson (including injury and inconsistincy). No more.

EDIT: Also add 1.5 years for Durand Johnson as a shooting specialist.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Seven years of recruits yielded only one season of competent play at center (Adams). If you want to be generous, throw Birch into this category because that's where he played, but he was more of a defense/rebounding specialist at the time and had trouble earning minites. In addition, these seasons the program got from them were their most raw years as true freshman.

James Robinson was the one redeeming player at PG as he provided four seasons of solid play. Other than him--ugh!

And how many seasons did the Panthers get from a shooting specialist? I count two from the hot/cold Cam Johnson.

getting only 1.5 out of 4 years from Durand Johnson also hurt.

Center recruiting couldn't have been worse.

 

[TreesHero]

getting only 1.5 out of 4 years from Durand Johnson also hurt.

Center recruiting couldn't have been worse.

Oops, I forgot to includ Durand as a shooting specialist. Thanks.