Kenny Pickett 5th best all time.....

[cpc247]

Will Kenny Pickett be the 5th all time leading passer in Pitt history? If he keeps pace he will be #7 ahead of Bill Stull. However, If we pass more under Whipple and make some bowl games he could throw for 2500 yard or less and still beat out Rutherford. What are some thoughts I really hope he beats out Rutherford just because that's good for Pitt Football (actually really enjoyed watching Rod).

Damn Tino had some good stats when I looked this up (Kid really deserved a better situation here at Pitt).

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/pittsburgh/passing.html

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Will Kenny Pickett be the 5th all time leading passer in Pitt history? If he keeps pace he will be #7 ahead of Bill Stull. However, If we pass more under Whipple and make some bowl games he could throw for 2500 yard or less and still beat out Rutherford. What are some thoughts I really hope he beats out Rutherford just because that's good for Pitt Football (actually really enjoyed watching Rod).

Damn Tino had some good stats when I looked this up (Kid really deserved a better situation here at Pitt).

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/pittsburgh/passing.html

Don't equate chances with production. Tino's stats amongst Pitt history is more a result of being a 3 year starter in 12 game regular seasons + bowl games + more of a pass oriented emphasis than pre say 2000 era. For example, Marino nor AVP ever played a 12 game regular season, and especially in Marino's case, despite putting up some big numbers, his first two years was still mainly a run oriented offense.

Tino dumped off a lot of passes on 2nd and 3rd long for 4-5 yards which helped pad completion percentages and insulated against interceptions but in reality was not productive because it still resulted in turning the bowl over on downs (punting).

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

There was a thread on here, ranking pitt qbs since the Walt era. Pickett was ahead of bostick, da mooch and I think voytik. That’s it.

He has a long way to go to even be mentioned with players like Tino and stull. I’m short, he’s not the worst if the worst but he’s within putting distance.

 

[bwh05]

There was a thread on here, ranking pitt qbs since the Walt era. Pickett was ahead of bostick, da mooch and I think voytik. That’s it.

He has a long way to go to even be mentioned with players like Tino and stull. I’m short, he’s not the worst if the worst but he’s within putting distance.

I’d rank Pickett’s performance last year below Tino, who was a bad college QB. This year will show if experience and a new OC can help because Kenny has good physical tools, but like Tino has very poor feel for the game so he doesn’t read well.

 

[h2p_5150]

There was a thread on here, ranking pitt qbs since the Walt era. Pickett was ahead of bostick, da mooch and I think voytik. That’s it.

He has a long way to go to even be mentioned with players like Tino and stull. I’m short, he’s not the worst if the worst but he’s within putting distance.

I think Voytik was better. Hopefully Kenny surpasses him or we are gonna be awful

 

[McKee Place]

The fact this is being debated semi seriously says much

 

[NTOP]

Don't equate chances with production. Tino's stats amongst Pitt history is more a result of being a 3 year starter in 12 game regular seasons + bowl games + more of a pass oriented emphasis than pre say 2000 era. For example, Marino nor AVP ever played a 12 game regular season, and especially in Marino's case, despite putting up some big numbers, his first two years was still mainly a run oriented offense.

Tino dumped off a lot of passes on 2nd and 3rd long for 4-5 yards which helped pad completion percentages and insulated against interceptions but in reality was not productive because it still resulted in turning the bowl over on downs (punting).

AVP's numbers are even more distorted. 541 passes to Dave Moore for 4 yards....mostly on 3rd & 7.

 

[kma0043]

I’d rank Pickett’s performance last year below Tino, who was a bad college QB. This year will show if experience and a new OC can help because Kenny has good physical tools, but like Tino has very poor feel for the game so he doesn’t read well.

I’m not a Tino defender by any means, but I’d take Senior year Sunseri over Pickett last year. He put up ok stats his Senior year.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

I’m not a Tino defender by any means, but I’d take Senior year Sunseri over Pickett last year. He put up ok stats his Senior year.

Without a doubt. Outside of dinucci in 17 and maybe bostick, I can’t imagine a worse season for a pitt QB in a long time. ‘17, ‘06, maybe lytle in ‘98 then John Ryan in ‘94.

4 seasons in a quarter century that had worse qbs performances than Pickett last year.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

You pass for 9 yards in a game (when you aren’t injured after the 2nd play of the game)
You should have your scholarship revoked and be thrown out of school.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

You pass for 9 yards in a game (when you aren’t injured after the 2nd play of the game)
You should have your scholarship revoked and be thrown out of school.

Why this staff is putting all their eggs in this basket is beyond me. To give this guy the job in spring, after that season, is a disgrace.

If he earns it in camp then fine. If he’s the front runner then that’s fine. To anoint him “the starter” this early makes me f’in puke.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Why this staff is putting all their eggs in this basket is beyond me. To give this guy the job in spring, after that season, is a disgrace.

If he earns it in camp then fine. If he’s the front runner then that’s fine. To anoint him “the starter” this early makes me f’in puke.

I had very high hopes for him last season.

Those were dashed by about game 3.

Hopefully he fulfills the promise

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

He put up ok stats his Senior year.

Unless you consider the context. Then, not so much.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Unless you consider the context. Then, not so much.

Record breaking self sacks, gotta give him that

 

[Chaos]

Record breaking self sacks, gotta give him that

Tino the Turtle!

 

[kma0043]

Unless you consider the context. Then, not so much.

Lots of self sacks? Yes. Unable to win winnable games? Yes. Sunseri had 21 td 3 int and roughly 3300 yards passing last year. Those numbers make Pickett’s season even uglier.

 

[McKee Place]

Why this staff is putting all their eggs in this basket is beyond me. To give this guy the job in spring, after that season, is a disgrace.

If he earns it in camp then fine. If he’s the front runner then that’s fine. To anoint him “the starter” this early makes me f’in puke.

Yes. At least give the illusion of competition for fans sake. This is the top reason for lack of enthusiasm heading into the coming season. It really puts doubt into the mind of Narduzzi. Because it shows either that he couldn't recruit a QB better than this, which is bad. Or that he's a stubborn idiot, which is worse.

There's some truth to the saying that the backup QB is always the most popular player on the team. Fans are definitely too simple minded on this score. But in this case the wishfulness is warranted. Fans being counted on to pay and watch the product, who saw a guy who totally sucked in all but a couple halves of the entire season before, can be forgiven for wanting something a little better.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Will Kenny Pickett be the 5th all time leading passer in Pitt history? If he keeps pace he will be #7 ahead of Bill Stull. However, If we pass more under Whipple and make some bowl games he could throw for 2500 yard or less and still beat out Rutherford. What are some thoughts I really hope he beats out Rutherford just because that's good for Pitt Football (actually really enjoyed watching Rod).

Damn Tino had some good stats when I looked this up (Kid really deserved a better situation here at Pitt).

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/pittsburgh/passing.html

Tino's senior year was one of the best in school history if you look at the stats. But he was James Robinson. Low risk, low reward. Could not win games. Others around him had to do it. People hate Tino but love James Robinson but they are the same exact dude. Neither were playmakers.

 

[pittdan77]

Yes. At least give the illusion of competition for fans sake. This is the top reason for lack of enthusiasm heading into the coming season. It really puts doubt into the mind of Narduzzi. Because it shows either that he couldn't recruit a QB better than this, which is bad. Or that he's a stubborn idiot, which is worse.

There's some truth to the saying that the backup QB is always the most popular player on the team. Fans are definitely too simple minded on this score. But in this case the wishfulness is warranted. Fans being counted on to pay and watch the product, who saw a guy who totally sucked in all but a couple halves of the entire season before, can be forgiven for wanting something a little better.

Last June, this board thought Pickett was going to walk across the Allegheny and hand PSU their worst loss in 50 years on Pitt's way to a ten win season. My how times have changed.

 

[RaleighPittFan]

Tino's senior year was one of the best in school history if you look at the stats. But he was James Robinson. Low risk, low reward. Could not win games. Others around him had to do it. People hate Tino but love James Robinson but they are the same exact dude. Neither were playmakers.

I don't remember James Robinson openly rooting for FSU to beat Pitt.

And, James Robinson never lost games by himself to the extent that Tino did. See the WVU game that he turtled up every play as a prime example.

James and Tino were far from the same "dude".

 

[RaleighPittFan]

Last June, this board thought Pickett was going to walk across the Allegheny and hand PSU their worst loss in 50 years on Pitt's way to a ten win season. My how times have changed.

I think he'll do that this season.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

I don't remember James Robinson openly rooting for FSU to beat Pitt.

And, James Robinson never lost games by himself to the extent that Tino did. See the WVU game that he turtled up every play as a prime example.

James and Tino were far from the same "dude".

Smf is not attached to reality

 

[Seneca_Valley]

Smf is not attached to reality

Actually, that was one of his more lucid posts. I'm amazed at how butthurt some of you are with his respect to rooting for a family member instead of rooting for a program that the coach and fanbase routinely threw him under the bus.

If what he said is criminal, I wonder how I should feel about Cam Johnson.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Actually, that was one of his more lucid posts. I'm amazed at how butthurt some of you are with his respect to rooting for a family member instead of rooting for a program that the coach and fanbase routinely threw him under the bus.

If what he said is criminal, I wonder how I should feel about Cam Johnson.

It was a stupid analogy by him
Which was the point

 

[McKee Place]

I don't remember James Robinson openly rooting for FSU to beat Pitt.

And, James Robinson never lost games by himself to the extent that Tino did. See the WVU game that he turtled up every play as a prime example.

James and Tino were far from the same "dude".

My fav was the Syracuse game at the dome, when we only needed a field goal and were actually driving towards FG range... Tino faced moderate pressure... panicked... turned TOTALLY PERPENDICULAR to the playing field and flung the ball wildly... over the cuse bench and nearly into the sideline stands. Of course, drew an intentional grounding call (totally deserved, because brother, there ain't never had been a grounding more intentional than that in the history of the sport!). Naturally that derailed the possession. It might not have been as ghastly as when Bill Stull threw the fourth and goal pass 10 rows into the stands at NC State on the final play, but it was up there... ah, fun times.

 

[RaleighPittFan]

My fav was the Syracuse game at the dome, when we only needed a field goal and were actually driving towards FG range... Tino faced moderate pressure... panicked... turned TOTALLY PERPENDICULAR to the playing field and flung the ball wildly... over the cuse bench and nearly into the sideline stands. Of course, drew an intentional grounding call (totally deserved, because brother, there ain't never had been a grounding more intentional than that in the history of the sport!). Naturally that derailed the possession. It might not have been as ghastly as when Bill Stull threw the fourth and goal pass 10 rows into the stands at NC State on the final play, but it was up there... ah, fun times.

My mom, who knows nothing about football, watched the WVU game referenced with me. Not long after the game got underway, she said, "Pitt doesn't have a very good quarterback, do they?"

"You're right, Mom. He sucks." Was about all I could muster to respond to her without cussing.

 

[McKee Place]

My mom, who knows nothing about football, watched the WVU game referenced with me. Not long after the game got underway, she said, "Pitt doesn't have a very good quarterback, do they?"

"You're right, Mom. He sucks." Was about all I could muster to respond to her without cussing.

I think he played hard, he took a lot of hits and came back every time. I credit that, it was dam tough of him. But, yeah, no, he wasn't good.

I think Pickett is a tough cookie too and I hope his chutzpah can carry him to a good place. But we've seen this before ... not just with Tino but Stull, Voytik, Matt Lytle ... guys you'd charge the beach with, they would bravely lead the charge, but they were never gonna win you the war..

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Tino's senior year was one of the best in school history if you look at the stats. But he was James Robinson. Low risk, low reward. Could not win games. Others around him had to do it. People hate Tino but love James Robinson but they are the same exact dude. Neither were playmakers.

Just in case anyone was thinking that you actually understood football or basketball you post something that reminds them that you don't.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Just in case anyone was thinking that you actually understood football or basketball you post something that reminds them that you don't.

I kind of get his point. Don’t understand the James Robinson analogy at all but his point about Tino was accurate.

Tino was never gonna win you a game. He was never gonna take the team on his back and make that big play when needed. He was decent when things were going well. If the blocking was there and the wr was open, he could make the play.

I liked JRob so I don’t get that analogy.

 

[#99HUGHgreen]

Tino's senior year was one of the best in school history if you look at the stats. But he was James Robinson. Low risk, low reward. Could not win games. Others around him had to do it. People hate Tino but love James Robinson but they are the same exact dude. Neither were playmakers.

I’ve brought it up before and I will bring it up again:
Stats do not always tell the whole truth. Some stats tell a more accurate truth about a QB than yardage.

Tino never lead his team to a come from behind victory in any of his games at Pitt. Now that is a telling stat about how well a QB really performed.

A good bit of Tino’s yardage and TDs came during the last quarter (or two) of games that were already out of reach... where Tino was playing against the opponent’s second and third string defense.

If only he were close to as good as his senior stats paint him to be... but he wasn’t.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

I kind of get his point. Don’t understand the James Robinson analogy at all but his point about Tino was accurate.

Tino was never gonna win you a game. He was never gonna take the team on his back and make that big play when needed. He was decent when things were going well. If the blocking was there and the wr was open, he could make the play.

I liked JRob so I don’t get that analogy.

Which is the problem with his post. He made an analogy that doesn't make sense, assuming that you understand both football and basketball.

Sunseri was a bad quarterback. Period. We could sit here all night and recount his shortcomings. Robinson was a good, not great, not as good as we all hoped he would end up, but a good point guard. If you think that relatively speaking Sunseri was as good a quarterback as Robinson was a point guard then you either don't understand football, don't understand basketball, or don't understand both.

 

[RaleighPittFan]

I think he played hard, he took a lot of hits and came back every time. I credit that, it was dam tough of him. But, yeah, no, he wasn't good.

I think Pickett is a tough cookie too and I hope his chutzpah can carry him to a good place. But we've seen this before ... not just with Tino but Stull, Voytik, Matt Lytle ... guys you'd charge the beach with, they would bravely lead the charge, but they were never gonna win you the war..

See, I saw a Tino who looked for things to fall apart, and played accordingly.

He had the football pedigree as the son of a coach. He had the tools to pass the test in practice, and in the film room. But, the image he portrayed was not one of a confident leader.

He may have had all of the confidence in the world, and got it beat out of him with poor line play. Graham's square peg / round hole offense may have done him in too. I don't know. All I do know is that the non-verbals he gave off were not good. The verbals of him throwing team mates under the bus were not good either.

Here's an article I remember that illustrates that point pretty well.

https://www.pittsburghsportingnews.com/tino-sunseri-still-doesnt-get-how-to-be-a-leader/

 

[BFo8]

The term “statistics lie” has rarely been more apt than in a discussion about Tino Sunseri’s senior season.

That being said he was still better that year than Pickett was last season, which is quite the indictment of how poorly Pickett played.

 

[Pittski]

Without a doubt. Outside of dinucci in 17 and maybe bostick, I can’t imagine a worse season for a pitt QB in a long time. ‘17, ‘06, maybe lytle in ‘98 then John Ryan in ‘94.

4 seasons in a quarter century that had worse qbs performances than Pickett last year.

No doubt, Lytle had NO idea where the ball was going BUT he could get it there pretty quickly. He was like the poorest version of Bubby Brister.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

No doubt, Lytle had NO idea where the ball was going BUT he could get it there pretty quickly. He was like the poorest version of Bubby Brister.

Lytle had all the talent in the world, I truly believe that. great arm, athlete, had the size.. If we could have transplanted PIstol Pete's brain and work ethic into Lytle's body in '97 and '98, Walt would have had an incredible QB..

 

[Pittski]

Lytle had all the talent in the world, I truly believe that. great arm, athlete, had the size.. If we could have transplanted PIstol Pete's brain and work ethic into Lytle's body in '97 and '98, Walt would have had an incredible QB..

Oh yeah. Hell of a HS athlete. He was a “get” when we signed him. I truly don’t know why he didn’t develop.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Oh yeah. Hell of a HS athlete. He was a “get” when we signed him. I truly don’t know why he didn’t develop.

the Carolina panthers even picked him up, not sure if he made the roster but he was on a pre season roster.. obviously had the talent.. with a QB guru like Walt, i'd have to think he just didn't have the work ethic. hate to make that accusation without knowing but I think it's a fair statement..