I really don't care anymore. But this stupid romance of being in an academic conference is absolutely childish.
Lots of chatter FSU & CLEMSON to Big 12
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Its not JUST that. The B12 combines poor academics with very mid football programs that are in terrible locations. It has EVERYTHING going against. If they were poor academically but great at football and in great media markets, then I'd be fine with it. But everything about the Big 12 sucks.
Not everything. Wrestling's not bad. David Taylor now coach for Okie State.
No one cares about grad programs and research dollars on college football Saturdays. I never understood the fascination with athletic conferences and academics.
Their problem isn’t that they don’t have good football programs; they don’t have anymore “brand” programs. Not counting Oklahoma and Texas, they had five programs finish in the Top 10 six times over the past five years, along with Cincinnati and Utah finishing in the Top 10 three times (in the AAC, Pac-12). For context, the ACC only had two teams finish in the Top 10 four times during that timespan.
Obviously Florida State (and Clemson) want to be in the Big Ten or SEC, but the Big 12 arraignment would solve problems for both sides. The Big 12 needs credibility and more games in the eastern time zone; FSU wants more money in the immediate future, which could be solved through private equity or FOX paying their way in the same way they did for Oregon and Washington last year. On paper, it at least makes some sense.
I get a big kick out of the "Academics" argument. There is not ONE network worried about a schools Endowment or Academic ranking. If they did there would be a Primetime slot for the "Mock trial" competition or "Debate Club" doubleheader on ABC. No one give a crap about grades or academics. This is about dollars and cents and not some Nerd Bowl or hometown IQ.
And today, he's meeting with UNC and UVA with Bob Nutting at Oglebay down in the Wheeling.
In all seriousness, I specifically asked about those two since they’ve been linked to the B1G and SEC. Essentially, they have no interest in entertaining the Big 12, regardless of the potential increase in revenue.
For transparency sake, their connections are with the OU and Oklahoma State athletic departments. I try not to throw my “sources” around since I’m just a nobody, but I only share what I think the board will find useful.
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it would be really, really tough to get excited about the Big12. Honestly, all of this is really souring me on college football.
But university leadership are the decision makers and they absolutely do care about academics and aligning with other quality schools.
You have such wet dreams about good programs coming out to the dust bowl so they can be nearby, don't you? Just move someplace with a pulse already and you won't have to keep constantly stoking the bs fires on this board.
You will see a dramatic change in that philosophy when schools have to start paying out 20mm. It will be about money. Stop being like the Pedo's and " Our school is better than your school" This is about athletics period
If we could rewind the state of college football back about 20 or so years, that’d be great.
Pitt makes like 25 times more per year from R&D than from athletics.
Odd (albeit unsurprising) comment aside, I don’t really have a preference as to what happens with the Big 12. I’d love for the ACC to remain intact because it’s the best fit for Pitt. We’ll see what happens.
That's great it does nothing to guarantee you a seat at the table. As I said quite being like the Pedo's. Our school is no better than any other school. It's what you make of your degree.
Exactly. There is not a better, more endowed, connected, rich alum school in all of the former P5 and they got "relegated". In this world, the Alabama's and Arkansas's outweigh the Stanford's and Cal's.
I don't understand how this is an argument for this topic, You think those R&D contracts are dependent on conference affiliation? Does Pitt lose those contracts and grants if they join a the SEC, B1G, or B12? You think Pitt would turn down an SEC invite for academic and research reasons? Pitt's 3 highest paid employees are in Athletics, 5 of the top 10, and probably 9 of the top 30.
Also, it's probably closer to 7x the revenue from Sports, if you leave out all of the indirect revenue that premiere athletic programs (P5) generate for their university. Which only people that aren't setting the budget for these schools would fail to consider.
This argument was made for a year by the PAC proponents, notably Tony Altimore. Stanford was the golden child for this reasoning. And looked what happened to the PAC.
And Pitt leadership would throw all that away in a millisecond if they got an invite to the SEC.
Ah, now we get it. You are the Number one FSU FAN!!!
What table? I'd much rather have a school that has great academics and R&D and superior graduate schools and mediocre sports than one that has crap for academics but wins a few championships that mean nothing. The current landscape of college sports is why I don't give a rat's ass about it any more. I watch it to pass the time, even Pitt sports. I rarely get on here because it's all hand wringing and hot air.
Great, we get some kids who can catch and run with a ball or put one in a hoop. That's what they're being paid to do. And I don't watch paid college sports.
so you dont watch college sports but you post on a college sports message forum??
listen, you are entitled to your opinion but you are in the minority of wanting pitt grad school programs to achieve while football and hoops is mediocre. truthfully, that doesnt even make sense to me, like who would even care about that unless you or your kid is in one of those programs and it helps him/her get a better job after they graduate?
R/D at pitt? how could that even possibly interest you for one second?
Have we met? Talked all things Pitt?
Re-read my OP.
What tells you im not a Pitt fan?
Ill wait.......
Pay no attention to that poster; for whatever reason, he’s a cynic who has a bone to pick with half of this site. Sad.
There’s nothing to suggest you aren’t a Pitt fan because you are a Pitt fan. As a board, we should be less hostile towards one another since we’re all on the same side. H2P.
i was at stonewall a few years back, labor day weekend. the year we opened up and lost to UVA. i really liked it. didnt bring my freakin clubs which i was pissed about but a really nice little lake resort..
i highly recommend it for a weekend getaway, unless you are a Big 12 commish or an AD in the ACC who's primary goal is to dismantle ACC football.
i highly recommend it for a weekend getaway, unless you are a Big 12 commish or an AD in the ACC who's primary goal is to dismantle ACC football.
Average food (not much better in WV) Good atmosphere. Lots of reunion groups.
Everything I’ve read suggests the resort has remained open during the exit closure. I haven’t been down there in years, though, so I defer to any locals on here.
Well said.
Lets face it. The football program and athletic dept we are fans of have given us way too much heartburn over the years. The current conference realities make it even tougher to stomach.
Doesnt mean I am not a Pitt guy, although some thin skinned dunces may think so.
Read what I wrote. I rarely get on here any more because I have lost interest in college sports in the current landscape. I've been a Pitt fan for longer than you've probably been alive. But now, that interest has waned just because of the professional aspects of the players and the conference realignments. Don't shoot me because college sports isn't college sports any longer.
I'm a double alumnus of Pitt, one graduate degree. My sons all went to Pitt with numerous degrees. I want my school's academics to excel because of reputation and how that can help and has helped me and my sons. That's it. I guarantee that Pitt's football or basketball teams didn't help me one bit to get jobs or excel in business.
Pitt sports is fine and is a good distraction in these times. But college sports in general isn't what it's made out to be.
OK....we drove past it coming back from Myrtle Beach. Were there last fall for my wife's reunion from WVWC.
Latest rumor is that the Big12 is going to use the private equity money to give to Clemson and FSU. That would be spectacular.
I know many here want to stay in the ACC.
Not me. If FSU and Clemson go I want to go with them. Said it before.....we have joined two basketball first leagues over the last several decades abd our football program has treaded water. I believe Pitt is a football school first, and joining the Big 12 fits a football school.
I also think we could do rather well in that league.
Certainly, others will disagree with valid viewpoints. And the Pitt brass probably wants to remain in the ACC
But i was at Pitt during the High Green days. Football has always been first.
Not me. If FSU and Clemson go I want to go with them. Said it before.....we have joined two basketball first leagues over the last several decades abd our football program has treaded water. I believe Pitt is a football school first, and joining the Big 12 fits a football school.
I also think we could do rather well in that league.
Certainly, others will disagree with valid viewpoints. And the Pitt brass probably wants to remain in the ACC
But i was at Pitt during the High Green days. Football has always been first.
Yeah, doesn't sound too great. However, heard a rumor Fox will bump up the payout to each school for $15 million per year. $15 million x 6 years x 16 teams = $1.44 billion. Thus, if all this money is used to pay the PE, then the Big 12 stays the same payout but gets FSU and Clemson for 6 years until the next contract in 2031. That gives FSU and Clemson 6 years to figure it out for the Big 10 and SEC. No loss for the Big 12. Plus, the Big 12 might be able to poach others if the Fox payout includes others.
Just all speculation on my part on all the above.
Hey, where is the Buc-ee's? It's the best truck stop out there.Some great pictures of some of the Big 12 campuses.
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