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They have a good overall athletic department in a fairly large city. They have a very good basketball program that brings in a lot of money, and have been good in football for periods of time.Why did the ACC pick them to join the conference? I know nothing about how college sports are valued.
Not to debate but to extend the conversation doesn’t UCONN have the same footprint?They have a good overall athletic department in a fairly large city. They have a very good basketball program that brings in a lot of money, and have been good in football for periods of time.
The problem with UConn was football. FSU, and Clemson wanted a school that would help with the ACC's reputation in football. Louisville is no blue blood, but they're light years ahead of what UConn is. There was talk that if UConn was added, the two football powers might look into leaving the ACC. All things being equal, WVU would have been preferable to Louisville, but they had already thrown their lot in with the B12.Not to debate but to extend the conversation doesn’t UCONN have the same footprint?
College sports is sleazy.Sleazy in both basketball and football. Among my top 5 most disliked athletic programs.
I love all the academics related decisions. It makes me laugh. The chemistry department doesn’t line up to play football. My academic snob wife, Cal grad, always points out that schools with medical schools have to be somewhat okay.Good athletics. New market. Located in the south.
Lville wasn’t a bad choice if the ACC was willing to put academics aside.
Agree, but if academics don't matter, WVU would be a better fit. I understand how the whole thing played out. No one knew that Maryland would leave the ACC, so you can't blame WVU for jumping at the B12 offer. Hell, we were looking at the B12 before the ACC came to the rescue.Good athletics. New market. Located in the south.
Lville wasn’t a bad choice if the ACC was willing to put academics aside.
Agree, but if academics don't matter, WVU would be a better fit. I understand how the whole thing played out. No one knew that Maryland would leave the ACC, so you can't blame WVU for jumping at the B12 offer. Hell, we were looking at the B12 before the ACC came to the rescue.
Louisville has a far superior football program to UConn, and a better overall athletic program.Not to debate but to extend the conversation doesn’t UCONN have the same footprint?
UMD is dead man walking. My children had swim meets at their natatorium which is world class but they can’t field a men’s and women’s swim team. UMD is in so much debt. They thought Under Armor was going to save them.Agree, but if academics don't matter, WVU would be a better fit. I understand how the whole thing played out. No one knew that Maryland would leave the ACC, so you can't blame WVU for jumping at the B12 offer. Hell, we were looking at the B12 before the ACC came to the rescue.
Agree, but if academics don't matter, WVU would be a better fit. I understand how the whole thing played out. No one knew that Maryland would leave the ACC, so you can't blame WVU for jumping at the B12 offer. Hell, we were looking at the B12 before the ACC came to the rescue.
Louisville has a far superior football program to UConn, and a better overall athletic program.
I know you are in the academic world but in my opinion I laugh when folks engage in the academic connection for sports. If that was the case Stanford would only play Duke Uva et alFor athletics, Louisville was a great get. And first and foremost, the ACC is an athletic conference. When you have your choice between otherwise equivalent athletic programs, than secondary considerations like academics can make a difference. The ACC was not in a position to pick and choose. UConn football was a non-starter for a conference trying to build its football reputation and revenue.
I know you are in the academic world but in my opinion I laugh when folks engage in the academic connection for sports. If that was the case Stanford would only play Duke Uva et al
Hey Paco why do you have to talk to people like you are above them?
Just speaking for the public.
All ears Sir.
Why did you waste your time responding to him. I love your response and they are not rudeI want to make it clear I have complete respect for ameoba defense and he is one of the most knowledgeable posters on these boards, and I learn a lot from ameoba. I certainly did not intend any such tone.
I was simply pointing out that there are two other factors that weigh against WVU. Their small media market, which overlaps with Pitt's, which was already a ACC member at the time and makes WVU less valuable to the ACC. And that there was a historical issue that dates back to SoCon members voting to suspend Clemson and Maryland for playing in bowl games. I don't know if it is true, but some ACC alumni state there is still some animosity to old SoCon members like WVU. That bowl issue is why the ACC formed from members that split off from the SoCon.
Me? I went to the United States Naval Academy from 1981 - 84. I graduated number 235. What is your issue? I made it through power school. Do you know what that school is?what years did you attend higher education ?
Others words , when did you go to college ?
WVU would bring literally no market.Agree, but if academics don't matter, WVU would be a better fit. I understand how the whole thing played out. No one knew that Maryland would leave the ACC, so you can't blame WVU for jumping at the B12 offer. Hell, we were looking at the B12 before the ACC came to the rescue.
I haven’t read the rest of this thread but I would have to say Boston college had the New England market and Louisville extended the marketNot to debate but to extend the conversation doesn’t UCONN have the same footprint?
I thought that wvu was rejected by the ACC before they invited the Ville?The problem with UConn was football. FSU, and Clemson wanted a school that would help with the ACC's reputation in football. Louisville is no blue blood, but they're light years ahead of what UConn is. There was talk that if UConn was added, the two football powers might look into leaving the ACC. All things being equal, WVU would have been preferable to Louisville, but they had already thrown their lot in with the B12.
The ACC should have taken Cincinnati. Both football and basketball have been solid and their academics are better than both Louisville and WVU...
I thought that wvu was rejected by the ACC before they invited the Ville?
But didn't the ACC reject them before Maryland left? Lousyville has huge hoops revenue and no pro team to siphon off interest. I recall Luck feeling like the B12 was punishment.No, WVU was in the B12 before Maryland left. WVU was selected over UL for the B12. It was a knock down, drag out fight to get, what was then, the last seat on the lifeboat. State politicians got involved. In the end, WVU was willing to pay a big exit penalty to leave the Big East immediately, instead of waiting a year, because the B12's media contracts would be renegotiated if membership fell below 10 so they need a school that could participate immediately. I don't know if UL was as willing to do that (probably).
But didn't the ACC reject them before Maryland left? Lousyville has huge hoops revenue and no pro team to siphon off interest. I recall Luck feeling like the B12 was punishment.