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Love Pitt and believed in coach, but realistically

Clearly, the non-conference schedule hasn't adequately prepared Pitt for the rigors of ACC play. Jamie Dixon says don't worry, he'll address the problem next year by toughening up the non-conference in adding PA powers Slippery Rock and Lock Haven to the schedule. That will then help the team get ready to take on the ACC. Jamie thanks you for your support!
That's a stupid premise.
It's a perennially stupid premise.

We aren't struggling At the end of January because we weren't challenged enough in December.

We are struggling because our defense has stunk all year long.. And our offense is out of sync.
 
Jamie will not be fired and what what you wish for. I totally understand the frustration by most of you, me included but let the season play out and hopefully we can land some great recruits that we are on.
 
That's a stupid premise.
It's a perennially stupid premise.

We aren't struggling At the end of January because we weren't challenged enough in December.

We are struggling because our defense has stunk all year long.. And our offense is out of sync.

Agree completely.
 
Hopefully with the new administration, we will be allowed to use LOWEST COMMMON DENOMINATOR recruiting! Meaning we will take ANYBODY that meets NCAA minimum requirements, ANYBODY that Clemson, FSU or UNLV for that matter is willing to take, so we can get the super athletes that don't give a crap about academics!
What's more likely is that the new admin and AD aren't going to sit back amd ignore a trend of poor performance by one of Pitt's two revenue producing sports. If JD doesn't find a way to get the program straightened out in the next couple of years I don't think his remaining contract will keep him safe. Nor should it.

I've always been a JD guy, but candidly, my belief in him is waning. If the problem is we don't have good enough players or the right kind of of players in this program, that is his fault and his alone. If the players are soft amd don't give max effort, that's on JD. If we can't annually compete with and beat the better teams in our league, that's on the coach. It's very simple really, and the excuses are running out.
 
That's a stupid premise.
It's a perennially stupid premise.

We aren't struggling At the end of January because we weren't challenged enough in December.

We are struggling because our defense has stunk all year long.. And our offense is out of sync.
No way to determine how effective these grad transfers were when we play cupcakes for 2 straight months. Stop justifying this horrible ooc schedule every year. Pete is never full anymore either. Yeah our defense sucks, we all know that. However, playing bad teams over and over for 2 months does nothing to see our strengths and weaknesses. It's a factor.
 
Exactly, if Calipari were at Pitt, we 'd be in the final 4 within 4 years. These people with their hang dog attitude simply are looking for reasons to maintain the status quo and I'm not, by the way advocating for change in coaches as we sit here today. If in 2 more years though these teams continue to look like Paul Evans teams, then a change may be in order. If JDcan regain what he had, we're in good shape.
And if Joe Palooka owned the Pirates, they'd win 123 games. You, kind sir, are the poster child of hang dog.
 
What's more likely is that the new admin and AD aren't going to sit back amd ignore a trend of poor performance by one of Pitt's two revenue producing sports. If JD doesn't find a way to get the program straightened out in the next couple of years I don't think his remaining contract will keep him safe. Nor should it.

I've always been a JD guy, but candidly, my belief in him is waning. If the problem is we don't have good enough players or the right kind of of players in this program, that is his fault and his alone. If the players are soft amd don't give max effort, that's on JD. If we can't annually compete with and beat the better teams in our league, that's on the coach. It's very simple really, and the excuses are running out.
Everyone whose constantly negative or those who are turning in that direction assumes that the administration will run out of patience if the current conditions continue ,but does anyone truly know their agenda . Of course publicly their going to say they strive for excellence , but what does that mean ? Has Pitt ever been a win at all costs school except for a small period of time in the 70's and early 80's ? NOOOO they haven't . Can you really compete against schools that live with the philosophy that winning is everything if your not willing to go there ? Maybe just maybe their happy with reasonably competitive teams that actually attempt to play by the rules and educate and graduate solid citizens. Maybe they don't want to enter the cesspool that big time college athletics is. If you saw the piece on HBO about the mismanagement of college football players by the Medical staffs ,trainers and coaches it was a disgrace . Are college athletics so important that they put players who are young men at risk for permanent injury or death so they can win a game? Well some schools think that it is and only act to correct this once it becomes public knowledge. Maybe Pitts happy with the status quo a clean program that's reasonably competitive that graduates its players.
 
What's more likely is that the new admin and AD aren't going to sit back amd ignore a trend of poor performance by one of Pitt's two revenue producing sports. If JD doesn't find a way to get the program straightened out in the next couple of years I don't think his remaining contract will keep him safe. Nor should it.

I've always been a JD guy, but candidly, my belief in him is waning. If the problem is we don't have good enough players or the right kind of of players in this program, that is his fault and his alone. If the players are soft amd don't give max effort, that's on JD. If we can't annually compete with and beat the better teams in our league, that's on the coach. It's very simple really, and the excuses are running out.
You base this perception of the administration on what, exactly??
They extended Narduzzi one year into the job, for having an above average year... And losing to every good team on our schedule.

Seems to me they value stability over performance.
 
And if Joe Palooka owned the Pirates, they'd win 123 games. You, kind sir, are the poster child of hang dog.
And if Joe Palooka owned the Pirates, they'd win 123 games. You, kind sir, are the poster child of hang dog.
joe Palooka is a stand up guy - I could see that happening. Actually, the poster child for hanging dog at the moment is our hoops team. Very Bad.
 
Del, did u get your Pirates season tickets? Lol What about those all you can eat seats? Isn't gluttony a sin?
All you can eat seats ..... I sit in the all you can stomach seats.... My sofa with the remote in hand. That's some IF and starting pitching staff the Bucs will have next year.
 
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Wife and I talked about it...because it's clear, our half-court defense can't be consistent enough to make up for shooting droughts...
I really think we need to go full-court press all game long. We do have depth- may as well use it.

I mean, if Huggy can switch philosphy after years and years of coaching the same way, maybe it's what we have to do with this squad.


They simply can't do that because Wilson isn't ready. A lot of Robinsons deficiencies come from fatigue now we run full court....no chance. It's literally as simple as talent. If we aren't going to play hellish half court man to man defense like we did in our hey day we need to ultimate equalizer. Great, athletic, scoring guards. He appears to have gotten one in kithcart and Wilson shows promise. The more alarming thing to me is why/how he can't reach this kids to get them to do what he wants.
 
I am continually shocked that people believe the Pete is anything but a slightly above average facility at this point.
Seems people especially announcers rave about the atmosphere....What is exactly wrong with the Pete? And in your opinion what's changed about it since it opened?
 
Seems people especially announcers rave about the atmosphere....What is exactly wrong with the Pete? And in your opinion what's changed about it since it opened?
I like the Pete a lot. Nice modern facility with a rockin atmosphere if they ever start recruiting better and win again. Not only is playing awful teams for 2 months not helping Pitt prepare for the rigors of the ACC, it's been a part as to why attendance has plummeted. Jamie needs to wake up.
 
They simply can't do that because Wilson isn't ready. A lot of Robinsons deficiencies come from fatigue now we run full court....no chance. It's literally as simple as talent. If we aren't going to play hellish half court man to man defense like we did in our hey day we need to ultimate equalizer. Great, athletic, scoring guards. He appears to have gotten one in kithcart and Wilson shows promise. The more alarming thing to me is why/how he can't reach this kids to get them to do what he wants.
I'm not worried about fatigue of 20 year olds playing a game.
 
Wife and I talked about it...because it's clear, our half-court defense can't be consistent enough to make up for shooting droughts...
I really think we need to go full-court press all game long. We do have depth- may as well use it.

I mean, if Huggy can switch philosphy after years and years of coaching the same way, maybe it's what we have to do with this squad.

I can't argue this. It would at least maybe engage the guys into playing some defense, creating turnovers and disrupting teams. We have length and athleticism. Hell, why not a 1-3-1? Something different?
 
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That's a stupid premise.
It's a perennially stupid premise.

We aren't struggling At the end of January because we weren't challenged enough in December.

We are struggling because our defense has stunk all year long.. And our offense is out of sync.

Well maybe, maybe not. We got away with a lot of bad habits. And now maybe the lessons weren't learned and now we aren't getting away with them, and don't know how to handle it. I think we all agree better competition sharpens the skill sets, IN ANYTHING THAT YOU DO. Not just in Basketball.
 
Well maybe, maybe not. We got away with a lot of bad habits. And now maybe the lessons weren't learned and now we aren't getting away with them, and don't know how to handle it. I think we all agree better competition sharpens the skill sets, IN ANYTHING THAT YOU DO. Not just in Basketball.
Seems we are playing better competition.
Doesn't seem we are getting sharper as a result.

Getting smacked in the mouth by Purdue didn't improve us.

Teams are what they are.
 
joe Palooka is a stand up guy - I could see that happening. Actually, the poster child for hanging dog at the moment is our hoops team. Very Bad.

what does that make a team like boston college currently ranked about 180 spots below pitt in RPI

supercalifragilisticexpialadociously bad?
 
what does that make a team like boston college currently ranked about 180 spots below pitt in RPI

supercalifragilisticexpialadociously bad?
BC , they should just quit sports. I think they've implemented the Nerdy/Pedey boy model- say all the right things another commitment but just go through the motions.
 
Getting smacked in the mouth by Purdue didn't improve us.

See I look at that much differently - I saw a team fight back, take the lead with about 6-7 minutes to go iirc before fading and losing by double digits. They needed more games like that, not cupcake after cupcake. Maybe by now Dixon wouldn't be rotating his 2 centers and now Luther over and over again every few minutes, he'd have realized earlier that they are overmatched and found better ways to use them.

Sorry Souf but no one gets better playing lesser competition over and over.
 
See I look at that much differently - I saw a team fight back, take the lead with about 6-7 minutes to go iirc before fading and losing by double digits. They needed more games like that, not cupcake after cupcake. Maybe by now Dixon wouldn't be rotating his 2 centers and now Luther over and over again every few minutes, he'd have realized earlier that they are overmatched and found better ways to use them.

Sorry Souf but no one gets better playing lesser competition over and over.
Has your poker game got better playing lesser competition over and over? just kidding.
 
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Wife and I talked about it...because it's clear, our half-court defense can't be consistent enough to make up for shooting droughts...
I really think we need to go full-court press all game long. We do have depth- may as well use it.

I mean, if Huggy can switch philosphy after years and years of coaching the same way, maybe it's what we have to do with this squad.
Huggs used the same style at Cincy.
 
Maybe, but when competition in practice is better than your OOC opponents, is that a good thing??? No one gets better playing pushovers; only teams that stretch you, push you; challenge you can make you better. True for athletics, true for anything one pursues in real life.

Is there something magical about out of conference opponents versus in conference opponents? In other words, based on your assertion, if playing better competition will result in better performances (i.e.: Mike Tomlin's famous Steel Sharpens Steel Mantra) what does it matter if that happens in February instead of November?

Further, if playing better competition makes you better, why does Alabama, Stanford, Arkansas, Drexel, Auburn, and Illinois all suck eggs? They have all played extremely difficult schedules against very good competition. Shouldn't they all be cleaning up at this point in the season because they have been "tested"?
 
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Is there something magical about out of conference opponents versus in conference opponents? In other words, based on your assertion, if playing better competition will result in better performances (i.e.: Mike Tomlin's famous Steel Sharpens Steel Mantra) what does it matter if that happens in February instead of November?

Further, if playing better competition makes you better, why does Alabama, Stanford, Arkansas, Drexel, Auburn, and Illinois all suck eggs? They have all played extremely difficult schedules against very good competition. Shouldn't they all be cleaning up at this point in the season because they have been "tested"?
It's the perpetual chasing of windmills we always see on here when things go poorly. "If we only did ________, then we would finally be good." Insert: play freshman, shoot FTs at a higher %, play a very difficult OOC, get a SG that can "create his own shot". At any point in time, those have filled the blank as the be all end all cure all. And I am sure I've missed some.
 
It's the perpetual chasing of windmills we always see on here when things go poorly. "If we only did ________, then we would finally be good." Insert: play freshman, shoot FTs at a higher %, play a very difficult OOC, get a SG that can "create his own shot". At any point in time, those have filled the blank as the be all end all cure all. And I am sure I've missed some.

Press.
Play up tempo.
"Let them score".
Play the AAU "game".

And on and on...
 
It's the perpetual chasing of windmills we always see on here when things go poorly. "If we only did ________, then we would finally be good." Insert: play freshman, shoot FTs at a higher %, play a very difficult OOC, get a SG that can "create his own shot". At any point in time, those have filled the blank as the be all end all cure all. And I am sure I've missed some.

Nice job twisting the intent of my post. I believe playing a more competitive schedule better prepares you for conference play. It exposes the warts early enough to address them. It's that simple. It's makes more sense than sleep walikng through a dozen cupcakes.. Whether it translates to more wins, who knows. If you think otherwise fine, just know you are in the minority.

For context, I'm not a malcontent or a JIGer. I don't bash players, micromanage the team, or chase RPI all season long. My only gripe that I share on this board is the lousy HOME OOC schedule. The season ticket holder is getting shortchanged. And thankfully Barnes gets it.

My be all to end all cure?. Get better basketball players.
 
Nice job twisting the intent of my post. I believe playing a more competitive schedule better prepares you for conference play. It exposes the warts early enough to address them. It's that simple. It's makes more sense than sleep walikng through a dozen cupcakes.. Whether it translates to more wins, who knows. If you think otherwise fine, just know you are in the minority.

For context, I'm not a malcontent or a JIGer. I don't bash players, micromanage the team, or chase RPI all season long. My only gripe that I share on this board is the lousy HOME OOC schedule. The season ticket holder is getting shortchanged. And thankfully Barnes gets it.

My be all to end all cure?. Get better basketball players.
I have no idea what you are talking about. I didn't reply to you at all. Your post is buried in the middle somewhere. No need to be overly defensive, I was responding to someone else.
 
I have no idea what you are talking about. I didn't reply to you at all. Your post is buried in the middle somewhere. No need to be overly defensive, I was responding to someone else.

Fair enough, but you replied to a post that replied to mine. Maybe I should have directed it to eastcoast. My apologies.
 
Fair enough, but you replied to a post that replied to mine. Maybe I should have directed it to eastcoast. My apologies.
yeah, I hadn't read who he replied to. no worries. I hate this team right now as much as anyone, so, it is what it is.
 
I love the cool, calm rebuttals of those who seem to take to every question, criticism, comment against the basketball team and Jamie and label them as foolish. That is a narrative that has been going on in these forums for a few years now.

So in that spirit, when rape is inevitable, just sit back and enjoy it. Hey, let's change nothing.

And then will come the invariable, "well there is nothing you can do about it so why care?". Well because it is a message board, a discussion board on Pitt basketball. That's why. That is why these things exist, to discuss, to Monday morning QB, not to wax poetically how Pitt basketball has improved my life because god damn, I remember that time in 1977 when Pitt played Rhode Island and my dad took me to the game, and gosh darnit, we pulled it out showing great resilience that gave me a life lesson that has stuck with me.

Look, the Phils of the world are one thing. But frustrated fans aren't. What you don't want is apathy. And that seems to be gaining by the moment.
 
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