Just listening to these announcers reinforces that to me. We don't belong in this "south eastern" league.
Oh well.
Oh well.
Man I wish we were in the Big 10
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You'd change your mind the first time you saw 40,000 red clad OSU fans at Heinz Field. It's not like we haven't been playing VT for years now.
As much as I hated the announcers, this does actually go on in every game, college and pro. Matt Millen does a lot of PSU games on BTN, not only is he dumb but he only talks about his alma mater, Penn State. Thursday night was pretty bad too. Phil Simms clearly hates the Steelers with a passion, but he went way overboard talking about Flacco. Every other word out of his mouth was about Joe Flacco. It was really hard to listen to.
I wish you were too and I think a lot B1G fans would happily trade PSU for Pitt if the ACC would have them, but I doubt ACC would want them.
Very true. And yes, not only would I like to be in the Big Ten, going to the Big Ten and still not having to deal with Penn State would be even 100 times better.
Iowa fans visited this board two weeks ago. Ever since Narduzzi came to Pittsburgh, we've had Michigan State fans on this board. Aside from Penn State, pretty much all of the Big Ten schools have very knowledgeable and respectful fans.
And before the NFL turned away the physical style of the game of football, I enjoyed watching the Big Ten because I thought it most closely resembled the NFL style of play.
I never really share the opinion of the theory of "biased announcers." I think its a myth. The color guy played at Navy, not exactly an ACC guy. I thought the BTN announcers were actually very good and very fair.
One of the announcers today though did literally come right out and say he was pulling for Va Tech to pull out the win. Pretty unprofessional in my opinion.
In all honesty Matt Millen just bothers me because it's Penn State this, Penn State that. But at least it's his alma mater, clearly he's going to root for them. The guys today sounded more like they just didn't want Pitt to knock off Virginia Tech for whatever reason.
That is the way we feel about it over here in Iowa too.
Great job Pitt- you can win the ACC. I posted after the Iowa loss that I thought you could go 10-2 or 9-3 and I'm sticking by it. You have a great coach and you can see how much MSU misses him. Your team is a team no one wants to play.
Perhaps had it not been for Grandpa Munster Pitt would be there now.
The Big Ten? Why?
No thanks. I am quite happy and would much rather be in the ACC!
If the ACC is a "southern" conf then the Big Ten is a Midwestern conf.
No thanks. I am quite happy and would much rather be in the ACC!
If the ACC is a "southern" conf then the Big Ten is a Midwestern conf.
The one big advantage of being in the Big 10 is you can have an easy OOC schedule, play a mediocre conference schedule, go 8-4 and not be close to a good team and get a decent bowl. Then sell that fraud to fans and recruits like it is an accomplishment.
The one big advantage of being in the Big 10 is you can have an easy OOC schedule, play a mediocre conference schedule, go 8-4 and not be close to being a good team and get a decent bowl. Then sell that fraud to fans and recruits like it is an accomplishment.
You can do this in the ACC too. The BT and ACC are almost carbon copies. Just saying.
No. We don't have the same bowl tie ins. That was the point.
The ACC is better suited for Pitt. The Big East (pre-2004 version) would have been ideal if it had worked, but the ACC is the next best alternative from just about every perspective, perhaps most importantly being institutional fit (i.e. size) and geography.
Phil Simms was a QB and knows that the QB runs the show in the NFL. He did talk a little of Vick, but face it Flacco is one tough SOB and took some big hits to make plays. Thurs night was the first I really noticed how tough he is, I guess because Ben wasn't in there I noticed the toughness of the opposing QB. As much as everyone claims to hate Ped State, it looks like a lot of people on this board watch them. I don't.
Any Pitt fan that truly wants to be in the Big Ten is an imbecile.
Get back to me when Narduzzi has his recruits here.... and Pitt is preseason picked every year to win the Coastal.....
Then remind me how great it is to travel to West Lafayette.....or beat up on Rutgers.......
Get back to me when Narduzzi has his recruits here.... and Pitt is preseason picked every year to win the Coastal.....
Then remind me how great it is to travel to West Lafayette.....or beat up on Rutgers.......
1) I always chuckle at folks who complain about bias announcing. Especially in the NFL. But yesterday's game at VT did seem to be a bit slanted in favor of VT.
2) PSU has built a program on mediocre results and landing in respectable bowls on and around NYD thanks to the Big10 tie ins.
2) PSU has built a program on mediocre results and landing in respectable bowls on and around NYD thanks to the Big10 tie ins.
Unfortunately, Pitt in the B1G would mean Penn State may have to play them. I'm sure that is something Franklin and Penn State wouldn't be thrilled about.
Maybe then the Nitters would see what a fraud Franklin is. I'm sure the fans would just say oh well, we'll destroy Pitt every year. Franklin however, would probably cry and petition the NCAA claiming his players get too beat up in the Big Ten, he can't afford to play a P5 team they might lose to.
H2P!!!!
Penn State Sucks!
The difference between the big 10 schedule and ACC schedule is simple.
In the B1G, you will play 4 conference games a year where you will have little to no shot of winning yearly. BUT, the other teams in the conference will be much easier than your average Acc game.
Typical big 10 schedule
3 or 4 top 25 teams
1 25-50 team
3 teams 50+
In the ACC, you will play maybe 1 team you have a slim chance of beating, but you will play 7 other teams that are very comparable to your roster. I look at ACC schedule as typically
1 or 2 top 25 teams
4 or 5 top 25-50 teams
1 50 + team
In the B1G, you will play 4 conference games a year where you will have little to no shot of winning yearly. BUT, the other teams in the conference will be much easier than your average Acc game.
Typical big 10 schedule
3 or 4 top 25 teams
1 25-50 team
3 teams 50+
In the ACC, you will play maybe 1 team you have a slim chance of beating, but you will play 7 other teams that are very comparable to your roster. I look at ACC schedule as typically
1 or 2 top 25 teams
4 or 5 top 25-50 teams
1 50 + team
100% correct. Exact reason I think the Big Ten is extremely overrated. They have more really bad teams at the bottom than probably any other conference.
I think it was 93, I got into Zelda's on a Friday night, I was in high school at the time, a junior so I was pretty pumped. Regardless, I walk in and not only is the whole bar decked out in Red, but some dude was waving a giant Ohio state flag, I mean the freaking thing was huge. No one said anything, dude is waving this thing around like he is Mel Gibson in the patriot.. Unreal. Of course I didn't say anything in fear of getting arrested (Or my ass kicked). I want to be in the big 10 too but it would make you sick what the buckeye faithful would do to Heinz every other year...
1993 was a very different atmosphere at Pitt than today. Apathy ran amok.
I don't think a person would get away with waiving a flag like that today in Hemingways, for instance.
That said, Big Ten is not a better option for Pitt in any estimation that I can make. Pitt would be the smallest school in the Big Ten not named Northwestern. Pitt would have zero presence in key recruiting territories such as Florida. Most of Pitt's alumni base is in the East, not midwest. Demographic trends extensively favor the ACC. We have little history with anyone in the Big Ten not known for harboring pedophiles or named Rutgers. You'd lose Notre Dame completely. It isn't a better conference athletically; really in any sport that we compete in except maybe volleyball, swimming and gymnastics. It doesn't have better weather. You have less flexibility with your non-conference schedule. From a fan perspective, I also don't know how you compare road trips to Big Ten to those in the ACC and come out thinking that the Big Ten's are near equivalent. As much as the few hundred Pitt fans that actually made the trip may have enjoyed Iowa in September, it is a royal and expensive PITA to get to Iowa City, and imagine it in-conference in November. The Big Ten has primarily two advantages, a little more cash and bowl tie-ins. And regarding the bowl tie-ins, Pitt's traveling reputation would still cause it to be skipped over. As far as cash, see what that has done for Illinois, Indiana, and Purdue (let alone Maryland and Rutgers...in fact, look at how small the bounce in attendance Maryland has been getting...it is about winning, not conference membership).
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I believe 7 out of 10 Pitt fans prefer the ACC over Big Ten. It's a great home and the geography makes sense.
As far as the ACC announcers, the home team always gets more positive comments in any league unless the visiting team just blows them out.
As far as the Big 10 announcers, the thing that is always so odd is how they always just gush all over themselves about the Big 10. It's actually inappropriate and disconnected from reality in many circumstances.
It's going to take about a decade before people associate Pitt with the ACC and don't think twice about it. Narduzzi may move that timeframe up if we can keep this trajectory.
I only have 3 Minor Complaints about the ACC but still glad Pitt is in the ACC than the Big Ten! Penn State and WVU Fans admit they would rather be in the ACC too, no matter what they pretend to say about the Big Pretend and Big Frail Conferences! They are in denial out of envy and have been avoiding the truth for a long time about bragging about being in the Big-12 and Big Ten. Paterno made a terrible choice as far as winning in the Big Ten but right one Big Buck$, but Penn State would have won more in the ACC from 1993 to Today and that is what PSU fans care about! WVU had no choice but to join the Big-12 and the Big-12 had no choice but to take them, after ignoring ULou! Truth is a funny thing and both PSU & WVU fans absolutely hate it that Pitt is in the ACC and they are not?
1. ACC Refs stink after watching the PITT-VT Game, ND-Clemson, and a number of ACC Basketball Games? All conferences have the same problem and seem to favor some Teams over others and that is life.
2. Still want to see Notre Dame and Texas in the ACC along with Penn State and WVU and go to 18 to 20 Teams that could include two more Schools in UCincy or Memphis or UConn or Temple too in that order! I like what Texas, Ohio, and Tennessee would bring to the ACC TV Footprint. What Texas, Penn State, WVU and Notre Dame would bring in selling out other ACC Stadiums including Heinz! As well, as bringing in schools closer to Pitt like UCincy and Temple, and rich growing recruiting grounds in Texas, Tennessee, and Ohio while taking on the Big Ten Midwest Footprint.
3. Still dislike the ACC not having its own Network and Swofford putting his own friendship with Raycom UNC Alumnus and Sons Employer ahead of the ACC? as well as, not having a Grant of Rights Agreement until Maryland left, but has done well in other matters, so it is a wash right now?
WVU Athletes have nightmares having to travel to Big-12 Schools to compete often losing 2 to 3 Days in classes, throw in Big-12 Athletes having to go to WVU too? Additionally, the Big-12 sits and waits on whatever Texas wants to do on expansion and that is upsetting OU that is sending out similar warnings Miami used to quietly send to the Big East Commissioners about expanding or we may leave?
Penn State and Nebraska have not been the same Power Houses since joining the Big Ten as Ohio State and Michigan and MSU start to dominate again. As Wisconsin, Iowa, and Northwestern continue to do just as well as Penn State or Nebraska if not better. Maryland is waking up to a new Big Ten darker dawn as well as Rutgers as far as winning, sold out for the big buck$. Minnesota Indiana, Illinois, are not easy wins anymore, only Purdue is having trouble right now.
Penn State is one easy drive to all ACC Schools except for Miami, FSU, ND, and ULou too. While only close to Maryland Rutgers, and OSU in the Big Ten! Ever since Penn State joined the Big Ten they lost their Geographical Advantages and cannot send or buy tickets to Big Ten away games as they could in the ACC! This may be the true Paterno Legacy again protecting the money over
doing the right thing for Penn State Winning. Or again, maybe Joe selfishly wanted it that way knowing no one can ever break his record at Penn State by joining the Big Ten where even he could not win higher after joining???
1. ACC Refs stink after watching the PITT-VT Game, ND-Clemson, and a number of ACC Basketball Games? All conferences have the same problem and seem to favor some Teams over others and that is life.
2. Still want to see Notre Dame and Texas in the ACC along with Penn State and WVU and go to 18 to 20 Teams that could include two more Schools in UCincy or Memphis or UConn or Temple too in that order! I like what Texas, Ohio, and Tennessee would bring to the ACC TV Footprint. What Texas, Penn State, WVU and Notre Dame would bring in selling out other ACC Stadiums including Heinz! As well, as bringing in schools closer to Pitt like UCincy and Temple, and rich growing recruiting grounds in Texas, Tennessee, and Ohio while taking on the Big Ten Midwest Footprint.
3. Still dislike the ACC not having its own Network and Swofford putting his own friendship with Raycom UNC Alumnus and Sons Employer ahead of the ACC? as well as, not having a Grant of Rights Agreement until Maryland left, but has done well in other matters, so it is a wash right now?
WVU Athletes have nightmares having to travel to Big-12 Schools to compete often losing 2 to 3 Days in classes, throw in Big-12 Athletes having to go to WVU too? Additionally, the Big-12 sits and waits on whatever Texas wants to do on expansion and that is upsetting OU that is sending out similar warnings Miami used to quietly send to the Big East Commissioners about expanding or we may leave?
Penn State and Nebraska have not been the same Power Houses since joining the Big Ten as Ohio State and Michigan and MSU start to dominate again. As Wisconsin, Iowa, and Northwestern continue to do just as well as Penn State or Nebraska if not better. Maryland is waking up to a new Big Ten darker dawn as well as Rutgers as far as winning, sold out for the big buck$. Minnesota Indiana, Illinois, are not easy wins anymore, only Purdue is having trouble right now.
Penn State is one easy drive to all ACC Schools except for Miami, FSU, ND, and ULou too. While only close to Maryland Rutgers, and OSU in the Big Ten! Ever since Penn State joined the Big Ten they lost their Geographical Advantages and cannot send or buy tickets to Big Ten away games as they could in the ACC! This may be the true Paterno Legacy again protecting the money over
doing the right thing for Penn State Winning. Or again, maybe Joe selfishly wanted it that way knowing no one can ever break his record at Penn State by joining the Big Ten where even he could not win higher after joining???
Perhaps, but Iowa was glad to play Pitt and every game was close and not beating Temple or Maryland or Illinois is the not the New Dawn that Franklin wanted at Penn State that has a Top 15 Program in resources, but losing to NW, Iowa, Wisky and not looking good against MSU too?
Paterno's legacy joining the Big Ten has been reduced just like his lack of Conference Titles and that upsets you more than anything Pitt does anyway!
As well as Paterno's propensity to produce the Biggest First Round Draft Busts but Pitt does far better in producing Bigger and better Quality Players in the NFL without those Top 15 Program Resources!
I'm not a PSU fan. I have no idea how many times PSU won the B1G. I just know the Nits have been pretty much irrelevant since their first year in the Big Ten.
Don't care if you are or not a PSU fan, you make good comments and so long as you do, I respect discussing them! Here is the Link to Big Ten Championships to add to your perceptive perception!
Big Ten Since 1993:
10 OHIO STATE
6 WISCONSIN
5 MICHIGAN
3 NORTHWESTERN
2 IOWA
2 MSU
1 PURDUE
4 Penn State & 3 VACATED
LINK:
http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/bigten/champions.php
I know I know exactly what you are saying. But college football is still largely a beauty contest and it is driven by perception and a really mediocre B1G team gets underserved kudos and recruiting buzz by being in these bowl games.
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