I know what we have
a bunch of lightly recruited and less than talented linemen.
Also a qb who struggles with accuracy
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a bunch of lightly recruited and less than talented linemen.
Also a qb who struggles with accuracy
Bingo... our ol cant run block to save their lives. Even a 3rd and 1 is a 50/proposition and thats against a bad defense. They are ok at pass blocking however. I do not know if this same group will improve greatly or not. I expect some marginal improvement.
To me the wr have been the biggest disappointment they had two nfl quality wr and they have atruggled to catch the ball. Te have been worse as they drop as many as they catch. Shockey and wayne appear to have a lot of talent but they also drop the ball consistently. They have recruited some good prospects in this class i think this spot improves because they will have 4 or 5 to choose from who can catch. Te cant get much worse
Rb is also a major issue. I think the current group can make things work if they get blocking but there isnt a special one on the team. Maybe the young guys step it up and they currently have two very good prospects committed.
so you're saying we switched teams and Franklin has us at 15th in scoring with this talent and Narduzzi staff leads PSU to 106th?
Not all were lightly recruited:
Jake Kradel - OSU, MD, WVU, NCST, MINN
Chase Brown - TCU, VT, WVU, MINN
Jerry Drake - Alabama, Auburn, LSU, MSU, OK
Carter Warren - Michigan, MSU, PSU, VT, NC
Gabe Houy - Wake Forest, MD, Louisville, ILL
However, I agree that we need to do a better job at recruiting the OL.
Also i dont know enough details about the running game concepts to determine how whipple is doing but in the passing game they have had guys open all year. So to me whipples passing concepts are good its either the qb missing guys or wr/te dropping the ball that are the main issues when the offense isnt working. If guys are open you cant blame the offensive coordinator.
Bingo.., It's not the play calling that's the main problem, it's the execution.
because the players aren’t good enough to execute. Hence it falls on pat Narduzzi.
Most are young and in their first year of getting full time reps. Ol typically take the longest of any position to play well. I want to see them with another year under their belts before i deem them failures. It could be that this was just a year where they were going to struggle on offense because they lost to much experience to replace. Or it could be they havent upgraded the talent enough to compete or the offensive scheme is hurting them. Next year will provide a clearer picture
Wvu guy here. I watch most Pitt games and i knew they lost most of their o-line from last year.....That is a recipe for tough times....Pickett is better than you think, and has won you several games with his taking off and getting first downs....He needs some help
You may be right, but it has clearly been a weakness this year. I really question their development. Some of these players like Drake and Warren should be playing at a higher level. We'll see..
Or they simple had a cycle where the youth makes it hard to be better. Ol men take a while. They have 4 new starters. They lost two nfl quality backs and aj davis is just a guy, the other rbs are inexperienced and really young, for instance hall wasnt any better as a fr or sophomore than the guys they are trotting out there now. They had one position to hang there hats on coming into the season and that was the wr. Ffrench and mack have been to inconsistent they needed those two to be what hall and ollison were last year, guys who carry the offense. They havent done so.
Rudolph is a horrible NFL QB. He is a major reason the Steelers offense is very bad. Guy cant throw downfield to save his life and he is a statue in the pocket.
Entirely new OL and I’m sure in spring when Whipple was laying out the new offense all the teaching and practice had to be utilized on pass blocking. They have limited time and if they came into the season pass blocking like last year we’d be looking at a4 win season.
I think Whipple is not the problem, just the symptom.
I think Whipple is not the problem, just the symptom.
Just a couple of observations:
1) Narduzzi's first 2 recruiting classes were heavy on defense. I'm sure out of necessity because he didn't have the athletes he needed to run his defense. It makes sense that there is a void of experienced talent at this point. O & D seem more balanced in the more recent classes.
2) Pickett's doesn't seem to put much touch on his passes. I think some of the problems with drops goes back to this.
3) The deeper the throw, the more scatter-armed he seems to get.
1) Narduzzi's first 2 recruiting classes were heavy on defense. I'm sure out of necessity because he didn't have the athletes he needed to run his defense. It makes sense that there is a void of experienced talent at this point. O & D seem more balanced in the more recent classes.
2) Pickett's doesn't seem to put much touch on his passes. I think some of the problems with drops goes back to this.
3) The deeper the throw, the more scatter-armed he seems to get.
Just goes to show you you know nothing about Narduzzi I would say that means.
Not sure why you would think he wants the game played in leather helmets just because he is a defensive minded coach?
So you expected a Pat Narduzzi-coached team to be in the top 10 in the nation in pass attempts? Not making a judgment about Whipple’s offense, just that with HCPN’s proclaimed love of old school, smash mouth football Whipple’s pass first (and second and third) offense seems an odd combination. If it’s because HCPN is suddenly showing signs of flexibility and adapting to college football in 2019, then great. It’s just that he hasn’t struck me as being the most flexible guy in his tenure here.
It’s out of necessity. As bad as our passing attack is, our run game is even worse. The line can’t run block and the backs are not good.
Too late for that.. it would be cruel not to redshirt him this year at this point. Would have loved to see him get some opportunities in earlier games this year to see what he could do.
We need to do a better job of coaching these kids . The o-line coach has to do a better job
He can play four games without losing his red shirt. The problem is I think they're leaving Pickett in because we never blow anyone out and Pickett actually needs the reps to develop (which is a red flag for a junior and presumptive soon to be senior starter.)
He isn’t going to develop at this point. Chad voytik, who was crushed by this fanbase Was more productive than Pickett
I forgot about Voytik. That's a good comparison. At some point, you have to realize its never going to happen.
The problem is PITT posters ( for what they're worth- not much) have been posting this for a few years now.
When is the magic year that this all comes together?
The key is stability, winning, and a staff who can recruit.
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LOL, yeah, let's continue to fire the OC every season. That is the recipe for success.
Fire the HC who has proven at this point he can’t recruit offensive talent to save his life.
the thing that is the most stunning aspect of Whipple's tenure at Pitt to this point has been the nearly total lack of Charmin puns in this forum...
Good point, I think we have to hope Beville has a great off season in development and blows them out come camp time. Not sure Pickett is the answer going into next year. But as stated earlier, the issue with Pitt’s offense is multifactorial, it’s not just one problem.
That being said, although Narduzzi has done some good things our program has been the definition of mediocrity. Lyke knows what she is doing, I’m pretty sure this past weekend didn’t sit quite well with her.
Did not realize he could still keep his redshirt after playing this late in the season- I thought those four games had to be at the beginning of the season.
And yes... that is certainly a red flag. Kind of like Tino all over again: A mediocre QB who is sing considered “the best available” either because the coaches haven’t recruited well at QB ( if surprise) or they’d just rather play it safe with someone mediocre than taking a chance on new unknown (Beville) who may be better but also may be worse.
Like Tino, Kenny has had more than enough games (seasons even) to prove he can be special. 0 points against VT says all we really need to know.
I have to admit, I was looking forward to seeing Yellen come in even though Pickett was injured. I would like to see the guy make some reads and sling the ball. Even before Pickett was injured, he was throwing the ball into coverage, threw a ridiculous interception and was again missing on crossing routes. And the pass protection was decent.
In the 3rd quarter they were throwing some 5 yard out plays that were working the ball down the field. Then they moved away from it. The secondary was sitting back in zone all game and it took him until the 3rd quarter to realize that trips was the best way to get a mismatch. They should have been throwing short passes all game. Game after game it’s a mindless game plan on offense for the last 3 years. The talent level isn’t great but it’s certainly above average. I have officially lost any faith in Mark Whipple.
Miami next. Then ND. 3-4. Frankly, I don’t believe they can beat anyone on the schedule remaining. Maybe Florida st.
In the 3rd quarter they were throwing some 5 yard out plays that were working the ball down the field. Then they moved away from it. The secondary was sitting back in zone all game and it took him until the 3rd quarter to realize that trips was the best way to get a mismatch. They should have been throwing short passes all game. Game after game it’s a mindless game plan on offense for the last 3 years. The talent level isn’t great but it’s certainly above average. I have officially lost any faith in Mark Whipple.
Miami next. Then ND. 3-4. Frankly, I don’t believe they can beat anyone on the schedule remaining. Maybe Florida st.
Lyke should force Narduzzi to fire Whipple this week. The optics of continuing to force Pickett to run back and forth to the sideline for direct play calls Was terrible. My wife even said the other team obviously sees our QB struggling and that A-hole doesn’t have another player send him the freakin play call. Such bad optics for an out of touch coach. Fire him or force him into the booth above.
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