Miami's Non-Conference schedule

[steel_curtain]

Actually they have one-count it-ONE—top 10 finish since 1984, and that was in 2011. Foiled by google again.

Do you assume nobody’s going to fact check you when you publish these blatant falsehoods, or do you just make this stuff up?

Edited, it was supposed to read Top 20


2010 Gundy 11–2 6–2 W Alamo 10 13
2011 Gundy 12–1 8–1 W Fiesta 3 3
2012 Gundy 8–5 5–4 W Heart of Dallas — —
2013 Gundy 10–3 7–2 L Cotton 17 17
2014 Gundy 7–6 4–5 W Cactus — —
2015 Gundy 10–3 7–2 L Sugar Bowl 19 20
2016 Gundy 10–3 7–2 W Alamo Bowl 11 11
2017 Gundy 10–3 6-3 W Camping World Bowl-TBD

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_State_Cowboys_football

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

Our attendance will be fine at the end of the year if we're competing for the ACC title, no matter what the non conference record is. If we're not, it'll be the same problem as it has usually been forever.

 

[poconopanther]

-Excellent. Then another poster has agreed with me. We can now stop playing Oklahoma State (2 losses) Iowa (2 losses) Texas A&M (2 losses), Michigan State (2 losses), Penn State 1-1 with probably 2 more losses, Nebraska (2 losses) etc... Every time we schedule one of these home and homes, we lose every single time, home and away.

-No more Oklahoma State, a team that is almost always ranked at least Top 25 and wins somewhere around 10 games, and we exchange that game with Rutgers, Kansas, or Indiana moving forward.

-In the last 5 to 10 years, Pitt probably has lost the most games in the non conference schedule of any P5 team in the entire country. Because we schedule like idiots in the non conference. Next year we lose probably 3 in the non conference, putting us in a giant hole. Crowds will be dead by seasons end just like against #2 Miami this year regardless of who we play if our win loss record sucks.

steel - you forgot 0-2 against the Utes. Also we were 1-3 against Iowa although it was an interesting series and all very close games.

 

[rmf05]

Steel nailed it. Its all about wins. These power 5 games don't move the needle as far as ticket sales, enough to justify all the losing. Winning 9-10 games in front of 35K fans is better for Pitt than winning 6-7 games in front of 45K.

 

[pittdoc57]

Pitt's AD isn't going to pay the money to bring in more guaranteed-win games. OK State and PSU are on the schedule in order to sell tickets, period. Same with WVU. The name of the game right now is to stay afloat financially. If the team can win games while doing so, that is a bonus in their eyes. But they are primarily interested in making sure that there is money coming in.

In-conference games are more meaningful competitively, but nobody buys tickets to see Duke or Wake Forest or even Georgia Tech based on their name recognition. And the AD clearly needs to have people buy tickets.

As far as they are concerned, if the team won 9-10 games but still doesn't bring in much money, then they still can't be happy. If they win 6-7 but have sellouts against PSU or WVU or whomever, they are much more comfortable. And you can't blame them. Thus, the post above is dead wrong.

In a nutshell, what the AD needs and what the program needs are not the same, at this moment. And that is a big problem. The AD is unwilling to spend money that they don't have, and the program needs to spend more money in order to give the AD what they want and need. It's a catch-22.

 

[renrut416]

And why were they so stupid to schedule Pitt as an OOC game?

They needed the win!

 

[4Mark_Marty]

Our attendance will be fine at the end of the year if we're competing for the ACC title, no matter what the non conference record is. If we're not, it'll be the same problem as it has usually been forever.

So true, but you can’t go into conf play 1-3. There will be no life in the building.

 

[pittdoc57]

So true, but you can’t go into conf play 1-3. There will be no life in the building.

Isn't that where Narduzzi is supposed to come in? They just extended him, and to listen to some here he is recruiting very well. What precisely are they paying him for if we assume the team will always start out 1-3?

 

[Las Panteras]

The ACC gains more and more respect every year. Honestly even if your team has decent prestige and they are undefeated in a power 5 conference, you will make the playoffs. It doesn’t matter anymore about your non conference sos.

The ACC and the SEC are the best conferences in football top to bottom. No conference is even close. Can’t wait to see the all of the conference’s bowl records this year!!

Well as of this afternoon the big ten is 5-0

 

[steel_curtain]

Pitt's AD isn't going to pay the money to bring in more guaranteed-win games. OK State and PSU are on the schedule in order to sell tickets, period. Same with WVU. The name of the game right now is to stay afloat financially. If the team can win games while doing so, that is a bonus in their eyes. But they are primarily interested in making sure that there is money coming in.

In-conference games are more meaningful competitively, but nobody buys tickets to see Duke or Wake Forest or even Georgia Tech based on their name recognition. And the AD clearly needs to have people buy tickets.

As far as they are concerned, if the team won 9-10 games but still doesn't bring in much money, then they still can't be happy. If they win 6-7 but have sellouts against PSU or WVU or whomever, they are much more comfortable. And you can't blame them. Thus, the post above is dead wrong.

In a nutshell, what the AD needs and what the program needs are not the same, at this moment. And that is a big problem. The AD is unwilling to spend money that they don't have, and the program needs to spend more money in order to give the AD what they want and need. It's a catch-22.

-Either you guys dont listen, or dont research.

-Pitt football put 39,000 fans in the seats against Oklahoma State. That is LESS than Youngstown State.

 

[pittdoc57]

-Either you guys dont listen, or dont research.

-Pitt football put 39,000 fans in the seats against Oklahoma State. That is LESS than Youngstown State.

Two things: first, all of those attendance numbers are imaginary. That should be your starting point.

Second, Pitt paid YSU to come here. Don't forget that.

 

[California Panther]

Two things: first, all of those attendance numbers are imaginary. That should be your starting point.
Second, Pitt paid YSU to come here. Don't forget that.

What does Pitt paying YSU to come here have to do with attendance???????????
All FCS schools get PAID to visit FBS schools.

 

[steel_curtain]

Two things: first, all of those attendance numbers are imaginary. That should be your starting point.

Second, Pitt paid YSU to come here. Don't forget that.

-You can call them imaginary all you wish. I have the video youtubes to make an educated guess and raw numbers to look at. If they were imaginary, you would think any P5 program could draw better than 36,000 against the #2 team in the country that is undefeated. You would think Pitt would have inflated the numbers against Miami this year, as that number is a disgrace playing that highly of a ranked team.

-Winning means more ticket sales.

 

[pittdoc57]

What does Pitt paying YSU to come here have to do with attendance???????????
All FCS schools get PAID to visit FBS schools.

Sorry, I was obtuse there. Just meaning that attendance against YSU, whether real or imaginary, doesn't translate directly to money in the AD coffers, because a large amount of it goes out the door to YSU. As such, ticket sales themselves don't necessary mean anything as raw data, for that game. The AD probably made more money against OK State, even if announced attendance was less than anticipated.

 

[Las Panteras]

I'm tired of 5-7.....7-5.....

If that means softening up the non con so be it

 

[cashisking884]

To be fair, Toledo won the MAC this year. That's actually a pretty good game, although it probably wasn't when they actually scheduled it.

 

[Pitt79]

-A number of posters want Pitt to be Non-Conference Powerhouse U. The same posters are claiming Miami is the only team worth a dam in the Coastal. And Miami is great again.

Miami's non conference this year

Bethune Cookman
Arkansas State
Toledo
Notre Dame

Miami's non conference schedule last year

Florida ATM
Florida Atlantic
App State
Notre Dame

Miami's non conference 2 years ago

Bethune Cookman
FAU
Nebraska
Cincinatti

Miami's non conference 3 years ago

Florida A&M
Arkansas State
Cincinatti
Nebraska

Miami's non conference next year

LSU
Savannah State
Toledo
Central Michigan


-All hail Miami. All hail. I dont see Miami scheduling Penn State, Notre Dame, Oklahoma State, Iowa, and a boatload of other good Power 5 Teams and Good Midmajor teams competing for Conference Titles and a Playoff.

-I see non-conference garbage U. All Hail Miami, They are Great Again.

-Then there is Pitt. Penn State, Notre Dame, Central Florida, 31-5 record this year and 3 preseason Top 15 teams next year. Way to go Barnes. Way to go 1% of Pitt fanbase that wants to be non-conference Elite scheduling U.

-Nice job Miami. Ranked in the Top 10 in the current polls.

-Following the Miami strategy, Pitt may have won 10 games in 2015, 9 games in 2016, and 7 games this year. Nope. 8 wins, 8 wins, 5 wins. Thanks Barnes and 1% of Pitt fanbase for zero poll rankings for Pitt and zero hype. Thanks non-conference Power Program Pitt. Thanks for letting me see Pitt go down 49-7 in the 2nd quarter against Ok. State. Thanks Barnes.

THAT MAKES THEM SMARTER!

PITT IS STUPID SCHEDULING HARD GAMES!

HOW ABOUT THIS?

Penn State
Prairie View A&M
W&J
RMU

THAT'S SMART!!!!!!

 

[phxpanther]

-Excellent. Then another poster has agreed with me. We can now stop playing Oklahoma State (2 losses) Iowa (2 losses) Texas A&M (2 losses), Michigan State (2 losses), Penn State 1-1 with probably 2 more losses, Nebraska (2 losses) etc... Every time we schedule one of these home and homes, we lose every single time, home and away.

-No more Oklahoma State, a team that is almost always ranked at least Top 25 and wins somewhere around 10 games, and we exchange that game with Rutgers, Kansas, or Indiana moving forward.

-In the last 5 to 10 years, Pitt probably has lost the most games in the non conference schedule of any P5 team in the entire country. Because we schedule like idiots in the non conference. Next year we lose probably 3 in the non conference, putting us in a giant hole. Crowds will be dead by seasons end just like against #2 Miami this year regardless of who we play if our win loss record sucks.

Lol. Don't agree at all. Pitt just needs to start winning those games. Keeping PSU is s must.

Scheduling teams like Tennessee is great. SU got LSU home and home, something like that would be great.

If you want to make the argument scheduling a team like Okie St, who is really good but, blah when it comes to creating excitement, is s mistake fine, but I like a good non conference schedule

 

[steel_curtain]

THAT MAKES THEM SMARTER!

PITT IS STUPID SCHEDULING HARD GAMES!

HOW ABOUT THIS?

Penn State
Prairie View A&M
W&J
RMU

THAT'S SMART!!!!!!

-I replied to the other guy in a different thread. He's mocking Northwestern. They have won 10 games 3 different times in the last 6 years. They also beat Pitt head to head. They schedule garbage in the non conference. Smart school.

 

[Pitt79]

Eeeek! Central Florida! Eeeeek! Notre Dame! Eeeeek!

I sure hope the team isn’t As afraid as its fans.

It's not about being afraid, it's about being SMART! College Football is a BS sport! Playing tough teams doesn't help. Better off pounding cupcakes, get's you ranked, gets wins, gets recruits. Losing to great teams get's you laughed at.

 

[Pitt79]

-I replied to the other guy in a different thread. He's mocking Northwestern. They have won 10 games 3 different times in the last 6 years. They also beat Pitt head to head. They schedule garbage in the non conference. Smart school.

And Nationally, people perceive Northwestern>Pitt, they don't go to look up who they beat.
All they see is 10-4>5-7 PERIOD!

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

The Oklahoma State series was sortadumb but there is no other real point here. I should really stop torturing myself by reading threads by people who don't seem to understand there are a limited number of FCS opponents who count towards bowl eligibility and all of them want serious cash -- and that you can only count one of those games per year towards eligibility.

We also have Notre Dame rotate through by conference design so by default we're going to probably play two quality non conference opponents per year ever fourth season or so. Or that fans actually like the PSU and WVU seried AND the Notre Dame games.

Pitt can't pick our schedule. We have to negotitiate it with other parties based on cash, stadium date avability, and our limited leverage.

Thankfully our non conference schedule doesn't impact our ability to actually try to win the ACC.

 

[steel_curtain]

The Oklahoma State series was sortadumb but there is no other real point here. I should really stop torturing myself by reading threads by people who don't seem to understand there are a limited number of FCS opponents who count towards bowl eligibility and all of them want serious cash -- and that you can only count one of those games per year towards eligibility.

We also have Notre Dame rotate through by conference design so by default we're going to probably play two quality non conference opponents per year. Or that fans actually like the PSU and WVU seried AND the Notre Dame games.

Pitt can't pick our schedule. We have to negotitiate it with other parties based on cash, stadium date avability, and our limited leverage.

Thankfully our non conference schedule doesn't impact our ability to actually try to win the ACC.

-Thats the job of an AD. You dont schedule Penn State and Notre Dame in the same year ooc then throw an undefeated midmajor ranked in the Top 10 on top of it. You know the future schedule alignment with Notre Dame. You schedule around it. Pitt has the schedule allotment with Notre Dame all the way up to the year 2036. This aint rocket science, its stupidity by our AD.

 

[Pitt79]

The Oklahoma State series was sortadumb but there is no other real point here. I should really stop torturing myself by reading threads by people who don't seem to understand there are a limited number of FCS opponents who count towards bowl eligibility and all of them want serious cash -- and that you can only count one of those games per year towards eligibility.

We also have Notre Dame rotate through by conference design so by default we're going to probably play two quality non conference opponents per year ever fourth season or so. Or that fans actually like the PSU and WVU seried AND the Notre Dame games.

Pitt can't pick our schedule. We have to negotitiate it with other parties based on cash, stadium date avability, and our limited leverage.

Thankfully our non conference schedule doesn't impact our ability to actually try to win the ACC.

You can still focus on scheduling crap teams, Doesn't have to be FCS, work on getting crap P5 and G5 teams.

 

[cashisking884]

And Nationally, people perceive Northwestern>Pitt, they don't go to look up who they beat.
All they see is 10-4>5-7 PERIOD!

I don't think nationally, people perceive either school too well.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

You can still focus on scheduling crap teams, Doesn't have to be FCS, work on getting crap P5 and G5 teams.

You can't do that because we're now scheduling about 10 years out and we have no clue who the crap P5 and G5 teams will be then. Like if we scheduled FIU or FAU a decade ago it might have looked like a smart move -- our recruiting turf, lower level programs, etc. But they probably would have been favored against us this year.

We've struggled enough with the MAC too that there are no guaranteed wins.

And we don't just set a schedule, we NEGOTIATE it with limited funds and levergae.

 

[steel_curtain]

You can't do that because we're now scheduling about 10 years out and we have no clue who the crap P5 and G5 teams will be then. Like if we scheduled FIU or FAU a decade ago it might have looked like a smart move -- our recruiting turf, lower level programs, etc. But they probably would have been favored against us this year.

We've struggled enough with the MAC too that there are no guaranteed wins.

And we don't just set a schedule, we NEGOTIATE it with limited funds and levergae.

-So you are telling me every other P5 school can do it and do it consistently, yet Pitt cant and we are just stuck in the mud with scheduling the toughest non conference schedule on a yearly basis.

-That tells me our fanbase views our AD as the second coming of titanic.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

Our strength of schedule is typicaly around #20-#50 or so by the end of the year. Sorry that isn't shitty enough for you.

Also we're the second? poorest P5 program in terms of subsidizing sports.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

Also stop talking about "our AD". You mean Heather Lyke, who didn't schedule any of the teams we played last year or this year or next year?

 

[California Panther]

And we don't just set a schedule, we NEGOTIATE it with limited funds and levergae.

That's a key point because of 2 recently scheduled buy-out games, you can see the cash being thrown about. Wisconsin just scheduled a BUY game vs Eastern Michigan and is paying $1.4 million. Oregon State just scheduled Portland State and is only paying $400,000. From what I've seen and read, Pitt usually pays somewhere around the $300,000 to $500,0000 range, so our choices for BUY games are limited, teams can get more $$ by sacrificing themselves to someone paying more.

 

[California Panther]

Also stop talking about "our AD". You mean Heather Lykes, who didn't schedule any of the teams we played last year or this year or next year?

I don't think Lyke has scheduled even one football game since she's been in office. So we'll see her philosophy when she does start to schedule games.

 

[steel_curtain]

Our strength of schedule is typicaly around #20-#50 or so by the end of the year. Sorry that isn't shitty enough for you.

Also we're the second? poorest P5 program in terms of subsidizing sports.

-I dont care what the SOS is just like I dont care about Sagarin, Pomeroy, or BPI, all jokes. It all has weights built into it.

-RPI should be used. Best tool there is. There is no weight built. Strictly formula.

-Case in point.

-Play the #1 and #2 teams in the country then play #99 and #100, likely result, 2-2.

-Play 4 Top #50 teams in the country, likely result, 2-2 to 4-0. Better odds to go 4-0 or at least 3-1.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

I'd rather the team have the $ from a home and home (especially if the road game is in our recruiting turf) to upgrade assistant coaches rather than spend significant cash for a home only buy two years in a row that increases our win chance on a meaningless non conference game from 50% to 75% or whatever.

Especially since some of you seem to be saying the PSU and WVU games should be put on hold if Notre Dame rotates through or if we are to play any other P5 team ever.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

-I dont care what the SOS is just like I dont care about Sagarin, Pomeroy, or BPI, all jokes. It all has weights built into it.

-RPI should be used. Best tool there is. There is no weight built. Strictly formula.

-Case in point.

-Play the #1 and #2 teams in the country then play #99 and #100, likely result, 2-2.

-Play 4 Top #50 teams in the country, likely result, 2-2 to 4-0. Better odds to go 4-0 or at least 3-1.

I would love to play the #1 and #2 teams in the country because it would generate lots of TV ratings and revenue for the program and could help show the team to recruits.

Also our RPI strength of schedule this year was #49. Sorry being middle of the pack isn't shitty enough for you.

 

[steel_curtain]

I'd rather the team have the $ from a home and home (especially if the road game is in our recruiting turf) to upgrade assistant coaches rather than spend significant cash for a home only buy two years in a row that increases our win chance on a meaningless non conference game from 50% to 75% or whatever.

Especially since some of you seem to be saying the PSU and WVU games should be put on hold if Notre Dame rotates through or if we are to play any other P5 team ever.

I'd rather the team have the $ from a home and home (especially if the road game is in our recruiting turf) to upgrade assistant coaches rather than spend significant cash for a home only buy two years in a row that increases our win chance on a meaningless non conference game from 50% to 75% or whatever.

Especially since some of you seem to be saying the PSU and WVU games should be put on hold if Notre Dame rotates through or if we are to play any other P5 team ever.

-Then Ill call it right now. This team or program will NEVER win 10 games the way we schedule. NEVER. And no other P5 program is dumb enough to do what we do, not 1.

I would love to play the #1 and #2 teams in the country because it would generate lots of TV ratings and revenue for the program and could help show the team to recruits.

Also our RPI strength of schedule this year was #49. Sorry being middle of the pack isn't shitty enough for you.

-Show the team to recruits? Like the 49-7 score Ok State was beating Pitt in the 2nd quarter this year when everyone turned the game off and left the stadium in the 2nd quarter? That's what you want to show recruits on National TV?

-Ill step away now

 

[jtownknowitall]

Is Pitt viewed as a low or crap P5 school for scheduling purposes?

 

[jtownknowitall]

This team will never win ten games if it can’t beat Syracuse, North Carolina, Georgia Tech and NC State

 

[Pitt79]

Our strength of schedule is typicaly around #20-#50 or so by the end of the year. Sorry that isn't shitty enough for you.

Also we're the second? poorest P5 program in terms of subsidizing sports.

Schedule Duquesne and RMU, it won't cost that much to drive them to Heinz Field.

 

[Pitt79]

Is Pitt viewed as a low or crap P5 school for scheduling purposes?

Absolutely, for top 25 teams, viewed as a guaranteed win.

 

[cashisking884]

-Then Ill call it right now. This team or program will NEVER win 10 games the way we schedule. NEVER. And no other P5 program is dumb enough to do what we do, not 1.

Lots of P5 schools play harder schedules than we do and win 10 games. Maybe they don't schedule as tough of an OOC schedule, but that's because they play a much tougher conference schedule. So of course they don't load up a schedule that will already be Top 10 in the country.