Recruiting is the life blood of a program. We have 3 guys in our current Fr and So classes. We lose our starting PG and lacked leadership and team chemistry this year. Things would get even more challenging after this current Jr class graduates.
Mr. Miller: ouch
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We need to do better than Dixon's last 5 years, IMO. This was a senior heavy college hoops season and Pitt had a solid roster returning with the lack of graduations relative to CBB as a whole. If the turnover had stayed minimal I think Pitt ticking up a bit is more likely than the bottom falling out.
Now? Bottom falling out is a complete possibility and ticking upwards is more or less the same probability as if Dixon stayed.
We're also RSing 2 guys, essentially making them on track to graduate with the sophomores. So you'll have 2 frosh, 3 sophomores, 3 juniors, and 4 seniors next year -- plus whoever would have come with the last ship.
If these guys were impact players, then do u really think they would be RS?
Yes. I would never count out a guy being solid as a rsJr and good as a rsSr at Pitt.
Is Will Wade not realistic, because I was pretty clear you swing for the fences just to see but Wade was the choice for me.
I realize I replied off of your comment but it wasn't really intended to be directed at you. My bad. Intention was more general.
And yes I'd think that's realistic.
These guys are not 17 or 18 year olds who you RS to develop because of their age.
I'd just be guessing like anyone else. But my preferences would be Enfield, Cooley, Holtman or Willard, because they've all coached and recruited and have been successful at high level (P-5 or BE). After than, I feel like getting into the mid majors is something of crap shoot.
I think in general you wouldn't RS a JUCO unless you thought he would help in the future -- or was so bad he could transfer to DII.
Much easier to just let eligibility expire after 2 years instead of tying up a ship for 3 years.
Plus with Nix and Milligan both needing weight room work, I thought it spoke well to how their futures were viewed.
Was very surprised to see that name, have to be honest. Kind of viewed him as a disaster scenario.
I'm just going to do what most pitt fans do..pick an arbitrary timeframe that guys my narrative.
Last 4 years, 3 out of 4 tourneys, 40-32 in conference.
Last 4 years, 3 out of 4 tourneys, 40-32 in conference.
I was told last year that 4 is the optimum timeframe because it represents a full cycle of player eligibility. So I think that's fair. Pitt fans would never use arbitrary benchmarks to evaluate the performance of somebody.
I was told that last year because that way we got to leave out the big east title year.
Add to it that if you wanted to use the. 5 year timeframe, after next year pitt was likely looking at 4 out of 5.
Also, the 12-13 teams were royally under seeded, as at the very least the 12 team should have been a top 6 seed..so their reward was getting WSU in the. 8/9 game instead .
Reminds me of the tag line for an ad for an early 1970s movie:
"Where your nightmare ends, . . . WILLARD begins"
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Yeah -- actually, I do agree. I just like that he's coached and recruited at the Big East level. Don't really like him that much.
I'd much rather have Chris Mack, but his name doesn't seem to be getting mentioned anywhere credible.
Willard's dad and him were torn to shreds while they were here. He is not a very good coach, and landed some good players thanks to hiring Tiny Morton and Hill. DT - u can do better than that.
Once again, they redshirted one of them because he spent 6-8 weeks in a walking boot.
Now I am in the camp that we still shouldn't be expecting much out of him at all next season, but you can't say that someone redshirted and therefore must suck without acknowledging that the reason the guy redshirted was because he was injured.
I think dt's post needs bumped. I've been reading, and seen multiple posts that Dixon wasn't pushed out. No response to this guys?
In fact, I think it needs it's own thread .
Yeah, I can't believe Willard would want to come here and I can't believe we'd actually want him to come here. We'd have to get waaaaaay down on the list for his name to get to the top.
Dixon wasn't pushed out. Let's make that completely clear. He left on his own accord. It was his decision.
But there was a strong, powerful contingent who wanted him gone. They've been making this very clear for about a year, and this was creating somewhat of a toxic situation. When Dixon had the chance, seeing all the cards in front of him, he made the decision to go. He could have easily declined the TCU offer and he would have had the support of the AD and Chancellor. But once it was learned that he had interest in TCU, there likely would have been far fewer left in the fan base to support him.
It was likely a situation where what happened in the short run was best for all. Only time will tell if this was best for the Pitt Basketball program in the long run.
Ok, fair enough, but our alum and fanbase played a part in this by poisoning the waters, so to speak.
DT, how long has there been this group? Did SP JUST IGNORE THEM? Does it date back 3, 4, 5 years , or was this a new thing.
After last year, a number of folks who were Dixon critics cited his record over the last for years and defended it by saying four years was a fair time frame to view because it was the typical amount of time to see how a recruiting class works out.
At least folks should be consistent and use the same four year time frame as you suggest.
Otherwise, I'm beginning to wonder why we are still talking about Jamie Dixon. It really matters not anymore.
Nix was not ready to make a difference healthy or not. Milligan played, so we saw we had in game action. We are in trouble if either guy gets major mins.
We're talking about him because he was our coach for 17 years.
All the people who ran him off will regret it.
Steve didn't let these kinds of folks run the show, which is in part why he wasn't supported. For better or worse, Steve ran his own show.
I mean, why are we discussing how good, or not so good, his record was over the past 4 or 5 years. That really matters not.
Probably because it's fresh in people's minds. Jamie could have gotten us back on track.
His stubbornness and inflexibility to make a few changes did him in.
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