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Narduzzi, Pitt and the future...

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IMO, other than Nick Saban, Chris Peterson, Jim Harbaugh or Urban Meyer, I would not want anyone else to try to bring Pitt back. Those four are the best college coaches and then everyone else depends on program fit, location, timing etc. I love Narduzzi's enthusiasm for the program and IMO he truly believes he can make Pitt great again. I also think, he will stay at Pitt if he does well and if Pitt will compensate him appropriately. However, it isn't that easy, as it has been discussed ad nauseum with the yellow seats, 5 head coaches in so many years, instability from the prior administration to the assistant coaches during the these coaching changes, which basically equaled a self imposed sanction.

With that said, Pitt has made a bowl game every year during this stretch, which is honestly amazing because it should have been back to the future with Johhny Majors 1994-1996 bad, but luckily it wasn't.

However, it took Chris Peterson 3/4 years to correct Washington's ship, and that ship was not nearly as off course as this program, and they have a full house, and support from the administration and the donors.

SO with that said, and as much as I have trust and faith in Narduzzi, there is also some concern. When a head coach fails to see the obvious with his pass defense and REFUSES to change. That is concerning because if I was a coach, as in life, I would have a philosophy of protect and strengthen my weaknesses, and for whatever reason he refused to do so this year. His utter refusal to give help to the corners who are clearly over matched is concerning because when someone is that stubborn, it shows a lack of intelligence and "I am always right attitude." That stubbornness is eerily reminiscent of the Wanny days and his refusal to change.

I understood from the beginning of the year Pitt was not good enough to win the Coastal, and that 8-4 would have made me ecstatic, but the outright refusal to acknowledge this teams weakness, coupled with the total lack of attempting to throw the ball at the end in the OSU game, confounded me this year . The OSU game and Vtech should have been wins with a little adjustment on both sides of the ball, but to no avail.

With that said, I still have faith in Narduzzi, and believe he is the right man for the job. Now if in two years when the DBs are sophomores, juniors and McVitte is a Sophomore and some of the LBs are on the field, and if it is more of the same, then obviously, it is time for major concerns. But for anyone to think that this team was ready to compete on a serious level is not being honest because minus whitehead, who the hell is the secondary, but again, the coach is suppose to gameplan for that weakness. Even with gameplanning, Pitt is at best a 8-4 team this year with the defensive talent AND injuries that have occurred.

I am willing to sit back and accept what this team is this year, and possibly into next year,and believe that in McVitte's sophmore year Pitt will once again roar, until then it's going to be a roller coaster, so have your tickets to kennywood ready.
 
I'm not sure how we "were not good enough to win the Coastal" when we were/are 2 plays from being 4-1 in ACC play and only having to beat Duke and Syracuse to wrap it up. Literally 2 decent plays against UNC and VT from that. Honestly, that makes me more frustrated.

There would be a good number of other coaches I would list ahead of HCPN, but overall I understand and agree with your sentiment that we will have to wait and see if things go right and then have faith he will stay and Pitt will pay. And I definitely agree I have gotten some worried Wannstedt-esque shudders this year. Hopefully that is just a blip on the path to success.

Good combination of honesty, reasoned evaluation and opinion, and optimism/faith in this post. This is exactly the kind of thing we need more of on here.
 
Narduzzi can't wait six years to get "his players." So far his coaching has been all over the place. No one will call him excellent. Whether he stays or goes will continue to depend on what he does on the field and how the fans respond.
 
Jrip, you are correct that Pitt is just a few plays away from leading the Coastal, which is honestly amazing for how bad this defense has been. That is why I still have faith in Narduzzi in that it is clear the talent is lacking, but Pitt is in the games and actually should have won those games.

The kids play hard and never quit on Narduzzi, which is a positive sign. And I do believe that he is getting more out of the players than their actual talent. Like I stated above, his stubbornness and outright denying of the secondary's performance and "they have to do what is being coached" is worrisome. Hence the term for a prior Pitt coach, Not my fault Walt. Narduzzi should be held accountable for the total failure of this pass defense this year.

Last year, it seemed Narduzzi would have said, the coaches need to prepare and have the players ready. However, this year seems to be the "players are not doing what is being coached." Once I started hearing that, alarm sensors went off.
 
What agenda is that, speaking the truth and saying that Pitt is still not good enough to win the Coastal. That agenda? The agenda that Narduzzi needs to be less stubborn, but yet also has some positives that can also be recognized? That agenda? At least make sense when you reply.

Guess what, every team has a few plays that would have lost a game or won a game for them. That is in every sport. If PSU doesn't block a FG and return it for a TD they lose to OSU, if Louisville doesn't get stopped on a 4th down in death valley, they beat Clemson. Plays happen every game, so I am trying see what my agenda is.
They are also a few plays away from having a losing record... But that wont fit your agenda...
 
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What agenda is that, speaking the truth and saying that Pitt is still not good enough to win the Coastal. That agenda? The agenda that Narduzzi needs to be less stubborn, but yet also has some positives that can also be recognized? That agenda? At least make sense when you reply.

Guess what, every team has a few plays that would have lost a game or won a game for them. That is in every sport. If PSU doesn't block a FG and return it for a TD they lose to OSU, if Louisville doesn't get stopped on a 4th down in death valley, they beat Clemson. Plays happen every game, so I am trying see what my agenda is.

Don't waste your time. My ignore list has grown quite a bit after PSU beat OSU, which has made this forum a little easier to deal with.
 
I wish more WVU fans were on here, they have a different perspective than most other fans.I can speak their language so I can translate for you Pitters!Strange bunch those Mountaineers,
very strange people.Speaking of strange an Old Educated Man(me) is about to climb a tree and hope dinner comes by!And the Longhorn Steak House is only 12 minutes away, strange but true!
 
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Narduzzi can't wait six years to get "his players." So far his coaching has been all over the place. No one will call him excellent. Whether he stays or goes will continue to depend on what he does on the field and how the fans respond.
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What agenda is that, speaking the truth and saying that Pitt is still not good enough to win the Coastal. That agenda? The agenda that Narduzzi needs to be less stubborn, but yet also has some positives that can also be recognized? That agenda? At least make sense when you reply.

Guess what, every team has a few plays that would have lost a game or won a game for them. That is in every sport. If PSU doesn't block a FG and return it for a TD they lose to OSU, if Louisville doesn't get stopped on a 4th down in death valley, they beat Clemson. Plays happen every game, so I am trying see what my agenda is.
This just in: close losses are losses, close wins are wins.

If we start to count close losses, the top 25 would look a lot different.
 
Bad how about if you count moral victories as wins instead of loses? I'm sure that would shake up the rankings!I always loved those moral victories.
 
I'm not sure how we "were not good enough to win the Coastal" when we were/are 2 plays from being 4-1 in ACC play and only having to beat Duke and Syracuse to wrap it up. Literally 2 decent plays against UNC and VT from that. Honestly, that makes me more frustrated.

There would be a good number of other coaches I would list ahead of HCPN, but overall I understand and agree with your sentiment that we will have to wait and see if things go right and then have faith he will stay and Pitt will pay. And I definitely agree I have gotten some worried Wannstedt-esque shudders this year. Hopefully that is just a blip on the path to success.

Good combination of honesty, reasoned evaluation and opinion, and optimism/faith in this post. This is exactly the kind of thing we need more of on here.
Curious what good number of coaches..Names please.. Narduzzi was probably if not the top certainly one of the top two years ago....
 
Same way first 3 years at MSU. Took s couple years for him to identify and get some guys. But he started his aggressive press style defense from day 1. He doesnt switch his defense just because he doesn't have the top players yet. You guys are solid and play the top teams close. I know though you want that huge win like today. Good luck.
 
IMO, other than Nick Saban, Chris Peterson, Jim Harbaugh or Urban Meyer, I would not want anyone else to try to bring Pitt back. Those four are the best college coaches and then everyone else depends on program fit, location, timing etc. I love Narduzzi's enthusiasm for the program and IMO he truly believes he can make Pitt great again. I also think, he will stay at Pitt if he does well and if Pitt will compensate him appropriately. However, it isn't that easy, as it has been discussed ad nauseum with the yellow seats, 5 head coaches in so many years, instability from the prior administration to the assistant coaches during the these coaching changes, which basically equaled a self imposed sanction.

With that said, Pitt has made a bowl game every year during this stretch, which is honestly amazing because it should have been back to the future with Johhny Majors 1994-1996 bad, but luckily it wasn't.

However, it took Chris Peterson 3/4 years to correct Washington's ship, and that ship was not nearly as off course as this program, and they have a full house, and support from the administration and the donors.

SO with that said, and as much as I have trust and faith in Narduzzi, there is also some concern. When a head coach fails to see the obvious with his pass defense and REFUSES to change. That is concerning because if I was a coach, as in life, I would have a philosophy of protect and strengthen my weaknesses, and for whatever reason he refused to do so this year. His utter refusal to give help to the corners who are clearly over matched is concerning because when someone is that stubborn, it shows a lack of intelligence and "I am always right attitude." That stubbornness is eerily reminiscent of the Wanny days and his refusal to change.

I understood from the beginning of the year Pitt was not good enough to win the Coastal, and that 8-4 would have made me ecstatic, but the outright refusal to acknowledge this teams weakness, coupled with the total lack of attempting to throw the ball at the end in the OSU game, confounded me this year . The OSU game and Vtech should have been wins with a little adjustment on both sides of the ball, but to no avail.

With that said, I still have faith in Narduzzi, and believe he is the right man for the job. Now if in two years when the DBs are sophomores, juniors and McVitte is a Sophomore and some of the LBs are on the field, and if it is more of the same, then obviously, it is time for major concerns. But for anyone to think that this team was ready to compete on a serious level is not being honest because minus whitehead, who the hell is the secondary, but again, the coach is suppose to gameplan for that weakness. Even with gameplanning, Pitt is at best a 8-4 team this year with the defensive talent AND injuries that have occurred.

I am willing to sit back and accept what this team is this year, and possibly into next year,and believe that in McVitte's sophmore year Pitt will once again roar, until then it's going to be a roller coaster, so have your tickets to kennywood ready.


-Finish strong. Win the last 3 games and finish the season ranked with 9 wins. Its doable. Pitt has finished ranked to end the season 1 time in the last 10 years. Narduzzi can accomplish this in year 2, with wins over Clemson and Penn State to boot. Some of our losses were hard to swallow this year, especially how close we are. But finishing the season with 9 wins and a final poll ranking, probably Top 20, I think most Pitt fans would have taken that in a heartbeat preseason, despite not winning the Coastal. Finish with 9 wins, the program is also trending up and there would be a respectable chance we would start next year ranked preseason.
 
IMO, other than Nick Saban, Chris Peterson, Jim Harbaugh or Urban Meyer, I would not want anyone else to try to bring Pitt back. Those four are the best college coaches and then everyone else depends on program fit, location, timing etc. I love Narduzzi's enthusiasm for the program and IMO he truly believes he can make Pitt great again. I also think, he will stay at Pitt if he does well and if Pitt will compensate him appropriately. However, it isn't that easy, as it has been discussed ad nauseum with the yellow seats, 5 head coaches in so many years, instability from the prior administration to the assistant coaches during the these coaching changes, which basically equaled a self imposed sanction.

With that said, Pitt has made a bowl game every year during this stretch, which is honestly amazing because it should have been back to the future with Johhny Majors 1994-1996 bad, but luckily it wasn't.

However, it took Chris Peterson 3/4 years to correct Washington's ship, and that ship was not nearly as off course as this program, and they have a full house, and support from the administration and the donors.

SO with that said, and as much as I have trust and faith in Narduzzi, there is also some concern. When a head coach fails to see the obvious with his pass defense and REFUSES to change. That is concerning because if I was a coach, as in life, I would have a philosophy of protect and strengthen my weaknesses, and for whatever reason he refused to do so this year. His utter refusal to give help to the corners who are clearly over matched is concerning because when someone is that stubborn, it shows a lack of intelligence and "I am always right attitude." That stubbornness is eerily reminiscent of the Wanny days and his refusal to change.

I understood from the beginning of the year Pitt was not good enough to win the Coastal, and that 8-4 would have made me ecstatic, but the outright refusal to acknowledge this teams weakness, coupled with the total lack of attempting to throw the ball at the end in the OSU game, confounded me this year . The OSU game and Vtech should have been wins with a little adjustment on both sides of the ball, but to no avail.

With that said, I still have faith in Narduzzi, and believe he is the right man for the job. Now if in two years when the DBs are sophomores, juniors and McVitte is a Sophomore and some of the LBs are on the field, and if it is more of the same, then obviously, it is time for major concerns. But for anyone to think that this team was ready to compete on a serious level is not being honest because minus whitehead, who the hell is the secondary, but again, the coach is suppose to gameplan for that weakness. Even with gameplanning, Pitt is at best a 8-4 team this year with the defensive talent AND injuries that have occurred.

I am willing to sit back and accept what this team is this year, and possibly into next year,and believe that in McVitte's sophmore year Pitt will once again roar, until then it's going to be a roller coaster, so have your tickets to kennywood ready.
I agree with a lot of what you posted. However, Washington fell off the wagons waaaay worse than Pitt. I think they suffered a couple of 1-11 to 3-9 seasons before they hired Peterson.

Pitt hasn't sunk that low for over 2 decades. We have always been around 6-6 to 8-5 seasons. Once Walt Harris was hired
 
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IMO, other than Nick Saban, Chris Peterson, Jim Harbaugh or Urban Meyer, I would not want anyone else to try to bring Pitt back. Those four are the best college coaches and then everyone else depends on program fit, location, timing etc. I love Narduzzi's enthusiasm for the program and IMO he truly believes he can make Pitt great again. I also think, he will stay at Pitt if he does well and if Pitt will compensate him appropriately. However, it isn't that easy, as it has been discussed ad nauseum with the yellow seats, 5 head coaches in so many years, instability from the prior administration to the assistant coaches during the these coaching changes, which basically equaled a self imposed sanction.

With that said, Pitt has made a bowl game every year during this stretch, which is honestly amazing because it should have been back to the future with Johhny Majors 1994-1996 bad, but luckily it wasn't.

However, it took Chris Peterson 3/4 years to correct Washington's ship, and that ship was not nearly as off course as this program, and they have a full house, and support from the administration and the donors.

SO with that said, and as much as I have trust and faith in Narduzzi, there is also some concern. When a head coach fails to see the obvious with his pass defense and REFUSES to change. That is concerning because if I was a coach, as in life, I would have a philosophy of protect and strengthen my weaknesses, and for whatever reason he refused to do so this year. His utter refusal to give help to the corners who are clearly over matched is concerning because when someone is that stubborn, it shows a lack of intelligence and "I am always right attitude." That stubbornness is eerily reminiscent of the Wanny days and his refusal to change.

I understood from the beginning of the year Pitt was not good enough to win the Coastal, and that 8-4 would have made me ecstatic, but the outright refusal to acknowledge this teams weakness, coupled with the total lack of attempting to throw the ball at the end in the OSU game, confounded me this year . The OSU game and Vtech should have been wins with a little adjustment on both sides of the ball, but to no avail.

With that said, I still have faith in Narduzzi, and believe he is the right man for the job. Now if in two years when the DBs are sophomores, juniors and McVitte is a Sophomore and some of the LBs are on the field, and if it is more of the same, then obviously, it is time for major concerns. But for anyone to think that this team was ready to compete on a serious level is not being honest because minus whitehead, who the hell is the secondary, but again, the coach is suppose to gameplan for that weakness. Even with gameplanning, Pitt is at best a 8-4 team this year with the defensive talent AND injuries that have occurred.

I am willing to sit back and accept what this team is this year, and possibly into next year,and believe that in McVitte's sophmore year Pitt will once again roar, until then it's going to be a roller coaster, so have your tickets to kennywood ready.
As stated many times, Narduzzi is a Perfect Fit for Pitt and better fit than Holgrosen for WVU & Franklin for PSU. I will put up an analysis at the end of season why and PSU & Clemson Win proves it along with close wins and losses the last 2 years with just 2 blow outs. Using a Pro Set is the way to go too. The Spread is a CFB Offense that wins 10 games at times, but has been badly beaten BY Pro Set & Top Defense Teams.

Wait, Watch and See?.....Not a Guess or Hunch, just outright seeing how Narduzzi Players respond to the Pitt Staff in the film Rooms and Game Day! Holgrosen and Franklin are Good Coaches but more inconsistent from game to games all season long and have been coaching longer and with more talent but taking on OU, UT, OKSU, KSU, UM, OSU, MSU, will be tougher for them than Coach Pat making Pitt better against Miami, VT, UNC, in my view the next few years?

Expectations for WVU and PSU this season and next season are sky high as well, any missteps, more blow outs, could spell trouble for them both. Pitt is prepared to give Coach Pat all he needs to rebuild a Program, Team, and not worried about having 10 years every year, this will come soon!
 
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I wish more WVU fans were on here, they have a different perspective than most other fans.I can speak their language so I can translate for you Pitters!Strange bunch those Mountaineers,
very strange people.Speaking of strange an Old Educated Man(me) is about to climb a tree and hope dinner comes by!And the Longhorn Steak House is only 12 minutes away, strange but true!

Nitter, are the mountaineer fans allowed on your cults board.. No need to answer..

IH8PSU and H2P !
 
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Bad how about if you count moral victories as wins instead of loses? I'm sure that would shake up the rankings!I always loved those moral victories.
Yep, that Michigan Blow out& moral victory Win over Pitt looks inconsistent as much as Minnesota OT, Indiana, and barely beating OSU at Beaver? Although beating Iowa's Ferentz was a great win!
 
The available secondary personel consists of:
CB's - Maddox, Lewis, Jackson, Motley, Henderson and recently Hamlin.
S's - Whitehead, Webb, Mitchell, Stocker, Briggs

Please tell me what adjustments you can make that would make any of those guys better? I really think injuries put a monkey wrench into this year's secondary. I bet we would have seen George Hill, Hamlin and Maddox as our top 3 if injuries didn't bite Pitt.
 
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The available secondary personel consists of:
CB's - Maddox, Lewis, Jackson, Motley, Henderson and recently Hamlin.
S's - Whitehead, Webb, Mitchell, Stocker, Briggs

Please tell me what adjustments you can make that would make any of those guys better? I really think injuries put a monkey wrench into this year's secondary. I bet we would have seen George Hill, Hamlin and Maddox as our top 3 if injuries didn't bite Pitt.
yawn. u finished making excuses for Narduzzi not making adjustments and not telling his corners to turn their head and look for the ball?
 
I guess you weren't observant enough to notice the adjustments made for Clemson. You didn't notice the difference in coverage the second half?

wasn't just in the second half. Lewis's pick was double coverage. They played more zone in the clemson game, including the first half than they have all year. They also played a decent amount of zone in the 2nd half against NC. At first NC tried to switch to running because Pitt had backed the 9th guy out of the box then they just went to a spread and picked us apart. Two of the 3 biggest passing games against Pitt were when we played a lot of zone. That tells those claiming its the system that it really isn't those teams were good passing teams who simply picked apart our bad secondary. Maddox is close on most plays he just isn't big enough. Lewis just isn't good and the other guys are all really young. Not much that can be done. I do think the VT game was one where we should have went to more zone. VT was literally taking two steps and throwing it deep. Still if we don't drop two easy picks we win that game.
 
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I agree with a lot of what you posted. However, Washington fell off the wagons waaaay worse than Pitt. I think they suffered a couple of 1-11 to 3-9 seasons before they hired Peterson.

Steve Sarkisian did the heavy lifting to get Washington back from the depths of the Ty Willingham era (when they were 0-12 his final season). Chris Petersen inherited a solid program.
 
yawn. u finished making excuses for Narduzzi not making adjustments and not telling his corners to turn their head and look for the ball?
So, you were NOT watching when the announcers debunked your theory? When they said they asked Narduzzi and he said NO, he is NOT teaching them to NOT turn their heads? That some college coaches do teach that, but he does not?

So please, be detailed and tell me what adjustments with what personel you would make to improve the secondary?
 
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Double Negative.

Pitt Coaches are teaching the CB's to turn their heads when they are in-sync with the receiver. When out of sync (playing catch up), then do not turn their heads.

There was some help in the second half.

So, you were NOT watching when the announcers debunked your theory? When they said they asked Narduzzi and he said NO, he is NOT teaching them to NOT turn their heads? That some college coaches do teach that, but he does not?

So please, be detailed and tell me what adjustments with what personel you would make to improve the secondary?
 
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