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He's really only superior in one area, recruiting. Otherwise, he just rolls the balls out and lets them play. Which works to an extent because he does generally have some good talent. Was he getting max effort out of them when they got blown out by William and Mary?
Maybe - I haven't seen any email from the Pitt Club, but I might just go ahead and go myself; sure I will run into other Pitt fans there
What has been most surprising to me in light of both the UL and NCS games was the lack of poise. As alluded to above in this thread, we should expect more from a veteran roster. I'm amazed that JRob would be so flustered in the first 20 minutes. And Artis and Young missing bunnies was frustrating as hell too.
They had to expect NSC to come out desperate after starting 0-5. And the Rowan storyline just added to the "playing with house money" angle once they rattled us in the first 10 minutes.
Just a tremendously disappointing effort and reaction from guys I expect more of.
They had to expect NSC to come out desperate after starting 0-5. And the Rowan storyline just added to the "playing with house money" angle once they rattled us in the first 10 minutes.
Just a tremendously disappointing effort and reaction from guys I expect more of.
So I have a question, I just heard a snippet of Dixon's postgame where he cited rebounding as the reason for our first half demise. Now I get that rebounding is part of the problem, but if NC State was shooting almost 70% and Pitt was around 30%, wouldn't getting stops and making shots be a bigger factor than rebounding? Don't they both lead to the skewed rebound numbers? What am I missing?
My guess is primarily the offensive rebounding...since we were one and done on that end, due to the utter lack of offensive rebounding.
Probably in that Dixon counts second chance points as a major staple of his offense, getting smoked on the boards had a big influence on the first half a$$beating.
But let's be honest, the wheels came off everywhere on the bus last night. There were problems everywhere.
I've watched several nc state games this year and generally they give max effort. I can't say the same for Pitt unfortunately. Also recruiting is many layers. He is a better recruiter than Dixon for sure but Also fits his talent better. Not only does Dixon struggle winning recruiting battles but he can't even assemble a roster with division 1 bigs or a quality backup point guard.
I think that was a much bigger problem than most will admit. I really thought Pitt gave close to zero effort last night. Just pure laziness on both ends.
It's not the end of Pitt hoops, but I think Jamie is clearly losing it. Nothing he did last night made one bit of sense. I'm not sure if he made the call or someone really just screwed up that badly, but who decided while fouling a player late off-ball to pick Cat Barber? Of all the guys to foul, he is the one you DON'T foul. Wasn't that close at that point so many won't remember in a few weeks, but that was just insanely moronic on whoever's part.
Also won't be remembered or maybe even noticed because it was such a blowout, but the ACC is just sickening me. That officiating crew was so beyond pathetic it wasn't even rational. As horrible as Pitt was, they just made it even harder. If I didn't have a rooting interest I would have been laughing hysterically at how worthless that crew was.
Last thought, without watching every single game for another team I don't think you could accurately know the answer to this. Why does it seem like Pitt is the only team, and this is every year, that can have every singe player on the entire roster go cold on the same night multiple times. This is now twice in less than a week that not one player could shoot well. And you can even look past all the contested shots that could be attributed to going up against a tough defense ('Ville and NC State.) The amount of wide open shots that were just not even close last night was mind boggling.
As it is though we're still 15-3. We would have to really fall apart to miss the tourney again. At that point, some serious, serious changes maybe should be made. This coming from Jamie's biggest supporter. Not saying he has to go, but something if the season plays out that way. Pitt absolutely needs to beat FSU and Clemson now. A loss in either game and they're behind where they should be.
If you're going to win primarily with offense, you'd better have overall team talent, ballhandling, quickness and a bunch of capable shooters and scorers, especially on the wing and perimeter. If you're going to win with defense and rebounding, you'd better have some hard-nosed, long, quick, aggressive perimeter players and some big, strong, physical bigs who can collect and convert offensive rebounds. You had better be able to get out in transition and score off of turnovers and defensive rebounds.
This team has an identity crisis--we don't have the right players to be either type of team. I don't know what basketball descriptive you'd hang on this team, but the one that comes to my mind is SOFT. Toughness seems to be much of what this program has been missing of late.
Unfortunately, I have a feeling this won't be the last time we see a game like last night's this season.
This team has an identity crisis--we don't have the right players to be either type of team. I don't know what basketball descriptive you'd hang on this team, but the one that comes to my mind is SOFT. Toughness seems to be much of what this program has been missing of late.
Unfortunately, I have a feeling this won't be the last time we see a game like last night's this season.
Bob - my son is a student there and texted me at halftime that the game wasn't over. The NCSU faithful aren't very confident re: his game coaching and most especially halftime adjustments. They love his recruiting but worry about every single game.
That's fine. I'm not attempting to say mark Gottfried is coach k. What I am illustrating is if the only thing Gottfried does a little better than Dixon is recruiting why can't Dixon beat him? Really we can't even keep it close. How can Gottfried advance further in the NCAA's.?
Same reason why Boeheim struggles against Dixon.
Or from a smaller sample, Roy Williams struggles against Dixon (1-2).
You're drawing conclusions from a 4 game sample size, which isn't instructive.
If Pitt plays well and wins, and Dixon goes 2-2 against gottfried do you make this conclusion?
Probably not.
And Gofffried has only made the Sweet 16 so far as a coach as NCSU, and made 1 Elite 8 while at Alabama.
So...at most, he's delivered the same as Dixon in the tournament.
What's Dixon 13-7 vs boeheim? But boeheim struggles right?
Gottfried 4-1 vs Dixon.
Also since he has been at nc state he has advanced to two sweet 16's in that some frame Dixon has advance to zero.
Again Mark Gottfried isn't the issue. Just admit that Dixon and him get basically the same results.
Gottfried 4-1 vs Dixon.
Also since he has been at nc state he has advanced to two sweet 16's in that some frame Dixon has advance to zero.
Again Mark Gottfried isn't the issue. Just admit that Dixon and him get basically the same results.
Haven't looked, but my guess is the overall recruiting at NCSU under Gottfried has been better than Dixon's. On paper NCSU should get farther. Ask Nova fans how he beat them last year even though they have an "all-star" coach. It happens.
I had the same question/comment regarding the entire team going cold at the same time. It seems as though it's feast or famine with this group. Now, I know that all teams have scoring droughts at times, which basically means no one is hitting shots for periods of time, but to see the number of missed wide open jumpers and lay ups is mind boggling.
I have to think this goes back to mental toughness. When they see see Mike, then Jamel, then James miss easy shots, does it then transfer to everyone else on the team? I mean Cam Johnson air balled an eight footer by at least a couple of feet last night. Against Louisville, he threw up one of the ugliest three point attempts I've seen all year. Chris Jones also put up ugly shots and was out of control driving the lane. Sheldon missed badly also.
If just one guy had held it together in the first half, we may have been able to hang in enough to give ourselves a chance, but no one could. Interestingly, the only one who made shots early was Sterling and he barely saw the floor after the first couple of minutes. Not sure what's going on there, but his playing time sure has dismissed recently.
"So...at most, he's delivered the same as Dixon in the tournament."
SoufOaklin4Life, literally the post immediately before this. I swear you people don't even read what he writes half the time.
Like I said, he has reading comprehension issues.
He's like a drunk at the bar, just yammering about a topic nobody is disagreeing with- but screaming "BUT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!" to every response.
Guys who play organized ball somehow actually know more about their sport than fans on a message board and I can guarantee you there was no lack of effort just poor execution and the players see the results they know rebounding and defense wins games and gets you PT. The issue is their just not quick enough outside or strong enough inside. Tune the coach out might work In the pros and eventually gets the coach fired in college it gets you the bench
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Don't do that. What names have I called you? You have argued in the past many times that tournament results don't matter. Now you want me to believe by you saying that they deliver the same results in the tournament you're saying they are equal? You've also said many times gottfried is a horrible coach and Have defended Dixon.
I'm going to add "tournament results don't matter" to the list of arguments that people never actually said but will claim we did anyways.
I have never said tournament results don't matter. Never.
Every game in the regular and post season matters.
And yes, I don't think much of gottfried as a coach.
And i say that as an alumni of ncsu as well as Pitt.
Maybe I misspoke matter as much is an argument that's been made on here and if you're saying it hasn't well....
I think the argument was that the tourney isn't the be all end all. If winning a NC is the main metric of every school, most should just immediately disband their FB and BB programs, because if they get there, it will be because the stars aligned, and not likely sustainable. Other than a handful of teams in both sports. There are a finite number of ridiculously talented player, and the vast majority go to certain schools.
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