New Pat Signal - O line commit

[sherepower]

Using this logic, I'd reach the exact opposite conclusion if I were looking at PSU over the last 7 or 8 years though.

And why are we even talking about them. Is this not a Pitt board.

You also need a quality coach to get the best out of the talent recruited. Something Penn st has not had........obviously.

There's a reason teams like Alabama, OSU, and others can run the ball down peoples throats every week. Its because they get the high school offensive lineman every school in the country wants.

 

[Malachi Constant]

And why are we even talking about them. Is this not a Pitt board.

You also need a quality coach to get the best out of the talent recruited. Something Penn st has not had........obviously.

There's a reason teams like Alabama, OSU, and others can run the ball down peoples throats every week. Its because they get the high school offensive lineman every school in the country wants.

Georgia Tech and Wisconsin run the ball down peoples throats every week, without those same recruits.

 

[sherepower]

Ones a gimmick offense. Look at Army and Navy. Teams only have a 20hr week to prepare for that type offense.
Wisconsin over the years have gotten a ton of highly recruited offensive lineman.

Do some flop? Yes!

But the chances are far less when a lot of successful programs want the same type of recruits. You can try and say otherwise. However, the facts are not on your side

 

[Malachi Constant]

Ones a gimmick offense. Look at Army and Navy. Teams only have a 20hr week to prepare for that type offense.
Wisconsin over the years have gotten a ton of highly recruited offensive lineman.

Read my post above. The facts clearly prove olineman with a lot of offers end up being better players. Do some flop? Yes!

But the chances are far less when a lot of successful programs want the same type of recruits. You can try and say otherwise. However, the facts are not on your side

Talent matters. Of course it does, but your arguments are paper thin in this post. I trust the coaching staff to find good talent if they are giving a commitable offer in June. I would hate to have a coaching staff relying on other teams opinions.

 

[PhPanther1]

I will take narduzzi's opinion over yours any day of the week to be honest......and that goes with any coach

Of the 3 options I mentioned, I didn't know the observations of a poster were one of them...and definately NEVER said my own personal observations were used...so your statement is offbase.

I will take the opinions of multiple coaches at high level schools over the opinion of a coach from one school any day of the week. But that's just my opinion, offer list is #1.

 

[Malachi Constant]

Of the 3 options I mentioned, I didn't know the observations of a poster were one of them...and definately NEVER said my own personal observations were used...so your statement is offbase.

I will take the opinions of multiple coaches at high level schools over the opinion of a coach from one school any day of the week. But that's just my opinion, offer list is #1.

So Narduzzi's staff should be to wait until Ohio State and Alabama offer a recruit before Pitt offers? I hope you can see the shortcomings in that strategy of following others instead of getting out there and doing your own scouting.

 

[PhPanther1]

So Narduzzi's staff should be to wait until Ohio State and Alabama offer a recruit before Pitt offers? I hope you can see the shortcomings in that strategy of following others instead of getting out there and doing your own scouting.

They can do whatever the hell they want. It's their jobs on the line. But posters can question Narduzzi on any decision made and imo the best piece of information they can use to back their claim up when discussing a players scholarship is offer sheet.

The argument of, well I don't know shit, but if Narduzzi offered, that's good enough for me is the dumbest argument of all. And those people are the most vocal against posters who use other tools to measure a recruit. As if Narduzzi's opinion is flawless and above any combination of the tools.

 

[Malachi Constant]

They can do whatever the hell they want. It's their jobs on the line. But posters can question Narduzzi on any decision made and imo the best piece of information they can use to back their claim up when discussing a players scholarship is offer sheet.

The argument of, well I don't know shit, but if Narduzzi offered, that's good enough for me is the dumbest argument of all. And those people are the most vocal against posters who use other tools to measure a recruit. As if Narduzzi's opinion is flawless and above any combination of the tools.

No, trusting a poster over Narduzzi is a far dumber argument.

 

[PhPanther1]

No, trusting a poster over Narduzzi is a far dumber argument.

Please go back through this thread and find my post where I said Pitt should have not offered this kid? You are really missing the discussion with me, as i'm not saying at all over who should/should not be offered. My discussion is about posters who get insulted over another poster questioning an offer.

 

[Malachi Constant]

Please go back through this thread and find my post where I said Pitt should have not offered this kid? You are really missing the discussion with me, as i'm not saying at all over who should/should not be offered. My discussion is about posters who get insulted over another poster questioning an offer.

My issue is with you getting on other posters for sharing their opinion. You are entitled to voice your opinion, and they are entitled to trust Narduzzi and voice that opinion.

Trusting Narduzzi makes sense. Trusting you over Narduzzi is insanity.

 

[sherepower]

No, trusting a poster over Narduzzi is a far dumber argument.

Your obviously trying to twist things. Which tells me your arguing just to argue.

Like i said. The facts are not on your side. So i will leave it at that.

I have no idea if the recruit we just got is going to be a player or not. My point was to prove that offers matter when judging offensive lineman. To say otherwise is flat out false..........but be my guess continue

 

[PhPanther1]

My issue is with you getting on other posters for sharing their opinion. You are entitled to voice your opinion, and they are entitled to trust Narduzzi and voice that opinion.

Trusting Narduzzi makes sense. Trusting you over Narduzzi is insanity.

Why would they trust me? They would have to be a complete moron to trust me over anybody. If anybody thinks I know anything about evaluating kids, they need their heads examined.

 

[Malachi Constant]

Why would they trust me?

Agreed. Why?

 

[PhPanther1]

Agreed. Why?

Why would you make the statement that they should go with my opinion over any coach, website scout or anything?

 

[Malachi Constant]

Why would you make the statement that they should go with my opinion over any coach, website scout or anything?

They shouldn't. Why are you bothered that they are going with Narduzzi's opinion over yours? You seem very bothered by the approach of trusting the coach over an internet poster.

 

[PhPanther1]

They shouldn't. Why are you bothered that they are going with Narduzzi's opinion over yours? You seem very bothered by the approach of trusting the coach over an internet poster.

I see you're bored. Have a good night.

 

[Malachi Constant]

I see you're bored. Have a good night.

You have a good night too!

 

[pitt_134]

What if you are HC Narduzzi?? What if you aren't?

 

[pittdan77]

And why are we even talking about them. Is this not a Pitt board.

You also need a quality coach to get the best out of the talent recruited. Something Penn st has not had........obviously.

There's a reason teams like Alabama, OSU, and others can run the ball down peoples throats every week. Its because they get the high school offensive lineman every school in the country wants.

Was just answering your post with logic.

If you need an example that hits closer to home, DJ is the top rated, starting lineman out of HS, but right now, he's not the most highly touted starter at Pitt (although I do believe he gets drafted in the spring if he stays healthy). Doesn't mean he's not great but it means that other guys can be great, too.

Trust me, there are plenty of big name recruits that do wonderfully but I'm quite happy with smart kids that live in the gym and want to learn how to master the position. That's where the great ones come from.

 

[QuitCallingMeWanny]

The point is Pitt right now isn't going to get the majority of "ready made linemen" like the the annual top ten schools, they just aren't, you just have to trust what the coaches see in someone and can develop to be ready by their RS Soph year...that has been my point since Harris was coach

 

[pittdan77]

Found this gem of an article on high school ratings of guys that started in the Super Bowl. Take it for what it's worth.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...oncos-panthers-high-school-recruiting-ratings