Well, it did seem like a creative gameplan -- it was something the Steelers, or any other team, never has seemed to try. Unfortunately it was an utter failure.
Former Pat Comments on Art Rooneys Defensive Scheme
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This was comical to watch. They were so so bad at this. Memories of Pat White.
The real failure was Henry still gashing the defense on traditional handoffs
And of course Watt’s 3 game streak of zero stats
Why couldn’t “Coach T”, the defensive guru mastermind, figure out how to stop him???
That’s the thing. If people look past their personal bias, and just look at the defensive performance when it counts…being out of every playoff game midway through the first half due to your defense falls on the guru to come up with a game plan, or adjustment to stop the bleeding. 200 yards rushing in a half is unheard of. Baltimore could have run on 30 straight plays if they wanted to…and actually almost did.
I’ve been saying for 3 years, when people were focused on the QB play, that the highest paid defense in the league, the “big nasty D”, is the real problem and should yield a top 5 defense minimum and frankly should be top 3. But instead they were NFL record/historic proportions bad in the playoffs and against teams with a pulse. And this year even teams like Dallas pummeled them.
I am perfectly fine with moving on. In fact I am an advocate if you can get a 1st rd pick for TJ Watts, you move him sooner than later. I think he is on the decline. Like I mentioned before, Dan Rooney had no problem moving on, even future HOFers. Now we seem to be an old folks home.
They are signing him to a new deal. That seems to be the worst kept secret this off-season.
Watt will be here another year or two beyond Rooney and Tomlin. And that’s my prediction…Tomlin will finish out his contract, Rooney will step down, and both will ride off into the sunset together. Rooney’s son will then have to deal with an old and crippled TJ Watt.
But Coach T is the ultimate motivator. He gets the most out of the talent of his roster, right? He can fire the guys up to compete even when they’re out matched, right?
THE ROONEY'S HATE MIKE TOMLIN SO THEY DON'T LET HIM CHANGE HIS DEFENSE. ONLY A GENIUS CAN CONTINUE TO BE ABUSED LIKE THIS AND REMAIN MEDIOCRE.
Just realized that if the bears were allowed to talk to Tomlin and he were agreeable to a trade, the Steelers would certainly get the #10 overall pick and likely another.
How could anyone defend Tomlin at this point when it’s obvious he’s raking the Steelers over the coals for 15 mil over the next three years and he’s holding steeler nation hostage …
How could anyone defend Tomlin at this point when it’s obvious he’s raking the Steelers over the coals for 15 mil over the next three years and he’s holding steeler nation hostage …
You're absolutely right on both counts. But that doesn't mean his boss isn't totally wrong on this and a coward, or that we can't call both of them out on their BS.
How are you “calling them out ?”
Buddy - anonymous posts on a pitt football message board aren’t reaching your target audiences!!
Its soufs code for Mike Tomlin is blameless.
He’s not
He also isn’t reading this forum
Your sports talk radio shows would love to hear from ya !
Can be the new titleman!
What, do you want me to stand outside the Southside facility and chant at the building? Of course this isn't accomplishing anything - the only thing message boards accomplish is providing some entertainment and a place to vent. No one in here would tell you otherwise, you aren't breaking news.
So we agree
You aren’t “calling out “ anyone.
Just mental masturbation
Unless you’re a season ticket holder- it won’t matter
I cut my athletic donation in half and bought cheaper season tickets because I’m unhappy with the direction of our football program .
This might be the weirdest take ever from a guy who has posted more takes on this message board than all the other people combined.
Hes completely lacking in self awareness. Despite neither Tomlin or Rooney reading this board he’s twisted himself into a pretzel defending his boy MM. He’s the king of mental masturbation that he accuses others of. Of course as we know quite well projection is what his ilk does better than anyone
It’s all a waste of time for me. As well
I’ve always been very transparent about that
If you think you’re changing anyone’s mind , you’re fooling yourself.
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If the OCs are geniuses and experts at taking advantage of weaknesses, then perhaps the guy being paid $16 million per year should endeavor to try new ways of stopping them. Doing the same thing over and over and over for nearly 20 years is just going to make things even easier for the geniuses to win.
Crazy idea!
Aren’t we all just wasting time? We aren’t changing the world here.
You gotta admit, 2 #1 picks would be more beneficial for a Steeler rebuild than keeping a coach around who hasn’t been able to nudge this franchise down the right path in a decade.
I doubt that offer would be made , to be honest.
But. It’s moot anyway since art isn’t moving on from Tomlin
Just like he won’t move on from his “popular” players for draft picks
Tomlin would yield a #1 at minimum. And then given he’s the greatest thing since sliced bread, he’d bring more. Gruden was traded for 2 #1’s and 2 #2’s.
I do it for half that.
And yeah it’s moot but it’s interesting to know what Fredo is passing up.
For what the bears gave up for Claypool…imagine what they’d give up for Mike T?
Mike T will be here a minimum two more years though. Will be interesting to see what happens when he has one year left on his deal.
Didn't you watch the playoff game against the Ravens? He tried a new way of trying to stop them. It was a disaster. It was so bad it seemed like a joke. I would have rather they just played their normal defense. Would the normal defense have worked? Probably not. But at least it's what the Steelers' players do best. Now of course, their best obviously is not sufficient to compete against the elite.
We've been told for years that if the Steelers ever let Tomlin go, he would be the subject of a bidding war because every other team in the league would fall all over themselves to get him. Gruden won a Super Bowl and then never won another playoff game plus he had losing seasons. Tomlin would be worth way more than what Gruden was traded for.
That's a different thing entirely.
They figured out how to beat Lamar before so I don't think such measures were necessary to consider in the first place.
They WERE necessary to consider to beat the Patriots, who they basically never beat in Tomlin's entire tenure, even losing to 3-10 Bailey Zappe version in 2023.
And that’s what I don’t get because it’s not as if their defensive game plans against the ravens prior to the playoffs were awful. So I don’t know why they decided to turn into the Pitt Panthers of the mid 2000s who couldn’t defend Pat White and Steve Slaton. It was actually laughable that they even gave their outside linebackers that game plan. Now they’re sending Jerry Dulac to do their dirty work by muddying Russell Wilson’s good name because they were just gonna keep Justin Fields all along. This franchise is becoming increasingly unlikable
And in fairness - as noted
Cowher also got housed by the patriots his whole career
Turns it - it’s not always about the steeler coaches
Playing Mitch was conceding any game !
Coach T! Defensive Mastermind! Derrick Henry is STILL Running!
Weird
Jayden had a 50% competition rate for 202 yards , 0 TDs and was sacked 3 times .
yeah, i was thinking that myself souf. weird for him to come out and say something like that. i like him as a qb alot but he didnt exactly do well against us..
but that aside, it's not a secret that we have a predictable tired defensive system,..
He’s super talented and the redskins are improving a lot .
Funny how a new owner and GM can actually turn things around , eh ?!?
We need Art 2 to go on a Kanye like rant !
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Right -- a defense that confuses an offense is going to very successful. But once you show something on film, no NFL offense is going to be confused anymore. Sometimes, the coaches are better off playing to the strengths of the team's personnel even if the offense knows it coming. Ask the players to do what they do best and don't ask to do what they aren't good at.
Best you can do is be selectively unpredictable (against pattern ) and hope it works .
