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Not good news for those people wondering about a fall football season...

Here the problem people are having..... Every model has been WRONG. Their credibility is in the shitter. So what are they going to do? They're going to double down and tell you the apocalypse will be coming in the fall. You'll hunker down and then when fall arrives and nothing happens they'll hope you've forgotten their dire prediction back in May, especially when the economy has collapsed...

If you get up every morning and say "There is going to be an earthquake in California" one day you're going to be right. Then you'll tell everyone "I told you so!"
I see you’re falling for the Rand Paul line of thinking

first off there’s no real verification of all models being “wrong” it’s a talking point.

you know who’s been very much verified as wrong?

the White House “ we have 1 case went up to 15 probably be back to one”..,,over and over and over... and now they want everyone back out there risking their own asses while the WH itself has become a hot zone?? GTF outta here with ALL of that.

we won’t know for sure of course till fall no shit ... but planning ahead of time isn’t panic if I said it once I said it a thousand times. Look I certainly don’t live cooped up... I get out .. ride the bike .. take hikes and stay plenty active... but I’m not abandoning good sense right now because the WH says something, or the Governor whose been a disaster thusfar. Kemp just had to reverse his decision to forego driving tests during COVID after public pressure... imagine the stupidity... who thinks in the first place there’s an urgent need to get untested teens driving during a global pandemic? Kemp does.... or did. I know I called and imagine many many others did as well. Now we’ve got something like 14 states where children are getting sick from COVID and he’s opening summer camps? I can’t even ...

you want to prop up stupid you go right ahead ... hell put your money where your mouth is and volunteer or get a job bagging groceries .... go for it!!!
 
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If you expected the models to tell you precisely how many people would get sick, where they would be located, how long they would be ill, which ones would recover, which ones would die, when they would die, et cetera, then yeah, they've all been WRONG. No way in hell they were going to hit those targets. Too many freaking variables with a virus nobody knew anything about previously.
 
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It’s amazing that some people almost seem to be disappointed the numbers didn’t spike in these states.

All of this political stuff is done. Rand is dumb. The models are dumb. Everything is dumb. Whatever.

In the end, dumb or not, college football will be played down south this fall.
 
Thinking in the fall that perhaps "nothing happens" ?.. first I've heard anyone say THAT related to this pandemic.. I wonder if folks in Northern Italy, or ICU unit in NYC would think that's a wise way to view this pandemic ?
It is what it is.. my 93 year old mom lived though a world wide depression, a world war, a few Asian conflicts, and the disco era.. though times.. eh.. if I miss a college football season, life goes on.. well, except for those fans that have no life except for college football .. I can think of a few schools with fans like that . One in particular, putting college football above health and well being of innocents.
 
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If you expected the models to tell you precisely how many people would get sick, where they would be located, how long they would be ill, which ones would recover, which ones would die, when they would die, et cetera, then yeah, they've all been WRONG. No way in hell they were going to hit those targets. Too many freaking variables with a virus nobody knew anything about previously.

my model was to buy PPE in late january b/c i knew where this was heading. do i get some credit?
 
This is the problem that all governors will have to face. Obviously, when they re-open their states and people start interacting (masked or no masked, even with the 6 feet in distance between each other) with each other, the number of people testing positive for the Coronavirus WILL increase. The decisions that the governors make then will be huge. If the first governor decides to shut their state down again, the ripple effect on the other states, to do the same, could be immediate.
Honestly I don't see any community that has been reopened go to total lockdown, no one on the streets again. The governors may ask for it, but my gut says many will ignore.
 
Choices made from state of PANIC are usually poor.. Panic about virus, but also panic about economy, panic about kids education in global competition.. etc..so many bogeymen..
A system based on consumerism with most US citizens living month-to- month, without adequate health insurance, has proven to be not very resilient to a pandemic.. too bad the majority of Americans didn't have a bit of rainy day funds to get them through a few months.. too bad so many rural Americans have inadequate internet and computer access to allow their children to attend remote learning sessions..
So instead of dealing with a virus panic, we also have economic panic...
I think that's being incredibly shortsighted. Although I agree that some (many?) overspend, this is more about the small business owners. There is only so much you can do when you own a business and have employees and are closed indefinitely. A month? Maybe. Two months? Three months?
 
I see you’re falling for the Rand Paul line of thinking

first off there’s no real verification of all models being “wrong” it’s a talking point.

you know who’s been very much verified as wrong?

the White House “ we have 1 case went up to 15 probably be back to one”..,,over and over and over... and now they want everyone back out there risking their own asses while the WH itself has become a hot zone?? GTF outta here with ALL of that.

we won’t know for sure of course till fall no shit ... but planning ahead of time isn’t panic if I said it once I said it a thousand times. Look I certainly don’t live cooped up... I get out .. ride the bike .. take hikes and stay plenty active... but I’m not abandoning good sense right now because the WH says something, or the Governor whose been a disaster thusfar. Kemp just had to reverse his decision to forego driving tests during COVID after public pressure... imagine the stupidity... who thinks in the first place there’s an urgent need to get untested teens driving during a global pandemic? Kemp does.... or did. I know I called and imagine many many others did as well. Now we’ve got something like 14 states where children are getting sick from COVID and he’s opening summer camps? I can’t even ...

you want to prop up stupid you go right ahead ... hell put your money where your mouth is and volunteer or get a job bagging groceries .... go for it!!!

Do you live your entire life in a panic mode.

Everything that can go wrong will go wrong.


fyi- I'm 70 retired, wealthy, don't need a job, live in a small town, we all know eachother, the local Giant Mgr needed help with some admin things, he hired me, I donate my pay to the kids who work there, I work at Giant customer service desk 3 days a week PT.The customer service desk is also a checkout so I see 100's of customers a day. Nice people with most wanting to get back at it.
No big deal..
You make it sound like a death sentence. lol!
Its people like you who cause unnecessary panic. I bet you a Mmask, gloves, face shield right.

Kemp and GA has the lowest level of hospitalizations recently.

The objective of shutting down the country was so the hospital system wasn't overwhelmed. It isn't!
Open the country, lets not have Scope Creep on the shutdown objective.

Increases in cases isn't going away for a while. The country cant stay closed for much longer or it wont be worth living here.
For most people Covid is like the flu.
Those with comorbidities should protect themselves.
We cant keep the country closed for a small percentage of the population that could have a problem.

I just posted a thread on Cruise Ships and Disney. Both are opening and cruise ship companies are swamped with bookings. Disney also. Casinos in NJ are opening in June, beaches boardwalks are open now.
People are living.


Cases will go up as the country opens, people will be together like there supposed to be, some people who are vulnerable will die, millions will get Covid and not know they have it, others will get Covid and be sick for a while 7-8 days and recover just fine, recently a 108 yr old woman was on the news who recovered from Covid and said it was like the flu, still others will have mild to strong reactions.

Over time treatments and a shot like a flu shot will be available. There's no vaccine for the flu just a variety of flu shots which are 40% effective so expect something like that for Covid.
This will be something we live with just like the flu and other diseases.

Shutting the country down was to avoid the hospital system from being overwhelmed.
Today hospitals are virtually empty, some so empty they're filing for bankruptcy, many have a surplus of ventilators, so it was mission accomplished for the shutdown.

Open the country, protect the vulnerable, as we manage the virus situation!

The rest of you can crawl out of your holes when you feel its safe for you that's your choice, but don't impose you will on the rest of us who want to return to normal. Its time!
 
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The lockdown here has been nothing compared to other countries. And this is neither a critique nor an endorsement. Just a fact.
I don't know. But here in Allegheny County we've been in total lockdown for almost 2 months. I expect the eastern part to stay closed until late May/early June which would be closer to 3 months.

I did a quick search and Italy went on lockdown March 9th. They started reopening May 4th so a bit under 2 months. My guess is most countries were/are around the same time frame? So not sure about our lockdown being "nothing" compared to other countries?

(I didn't look at China, but since they are not a free society it can't compare.)
 
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No I don’t live my life in “panic”.... you want to categorize it that way it’s on you ... not me

the fundamental cold truth is the threat that caused the social distancing hasn’t gone anywhere ... it didn’t go away... it’s not eradicated.... there’s only trials on viral treatments once you have it....they are finding kids with it ...there’s no vaccine ... reopening is about political pressure period.

you do you....

I’ll do what I need to.

I can live without college football and movie theatres if it’s necessary this year.

seems some are “panicked” they won’t have their normal routines

I’m getting a lot more exercise out of this deal so far
 
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GA hospitals are most assuredly not empty
Didn't say that I said:
CORONAVIRUS IN GEORGIA: Least amount of patients hospitalized statewide in a month
U.S. Field Hospitals Stand Down, Most Without Treating Any COVID-19 Patients
May 7, 20201:15 PM ET

I also said hospitals around the country are not full, very empty, starting up elective surgery and some are filing for bankruptsy.
One in are area was to merge with a larger hospital and now may just go out of business. No covid and no other patients.
NY hospitals are full, the hospital ship is leaving, NY is closing done the Javitis Center temp hospital, and other NY field hospitals are being mothballed.

Covid isn't overwhelming the hospital system at this time!
 
ICU beds 79% full pre surge ... yeah that just sounds great .

‍SMH
 
No I don’t live my life in “panic”.... you want to categorize it that way it’s on you ... not me

the fundamental cold truth is the threat that caused the social distancing hasn’t gone anywhere ... it didn’t go away... it’s not eradicated.... there’s only trials on viral treatments once you have it....they are finding kids with it ...there’s no vaccine ... reopening is about political pressure period.

you do you....

I’ll do what I need to.

I can live without college football and movie theatres if it’s necessary this year.

seems some are “panicked” they won’t have their normal routines

I’m getting a lot more exercise out of this deal so far

Covid is never going to be eradicated.
Its here to stay like the flu.
There's no flu vaccine just a flu shot a variety of them which are 40% effective. Expect that for Covid. It will never go away!
If we shutdown until its eradicated we'll be shutdown forever!
Kids who have it so what they'll either have no symptoms, mild, or strong case, be sick for 7-8 days and recover. A small % of healthy people die from Covid. Those with comorbidities should be careful.
98+% of the people who get Covid are just fine, so some get sick.
Once the treatments come out, it'll be like the flu.
 
Both sides seem to be talking past each other.

Nobody is arguing that people aren’t going to get infected when things open back up.

But the simple truth is outside of NY, and a few hot spots that New York spawned, the “bad” never really came to most of America. And there is no evidence it is coming. At least as we stand today.

Telling people, “you must stay closed or you might end up like New York” is a non-starter.
 
The year is 1969, US population 203 million, 100,000 deaths from the HongKong Flu.
No shutdown required.
 
Here the problem people are having..... Every model has been WRONG. Their credibility is in the shitter. So what are they going to do? They're going to double down and tell you the apocalypse will be coming in the fall. You'll hunker down and then when fall arrives and nothing happens they'll hope you've forgotten their dire prediction back in May, especially when the economy has collapsed...

If you get up every morning and say "There is going to be an earthquake in California" one day you're going to be right. Then you'll tell everyone "I told you so!"


Even if we had a vaccine, I'm not sure a majority of people would get it. We can't quarantine forever. Let it rip
 
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The blue bloods will definitely play in some fashion especially the ones expecting a good year. And the less involved the better increasing their chances to get a banner.
 
Honestly I don't see any community that has been reopened go to total lockdown, no one on the streets again. The governors may ask for it, but my gut says many will ignore.
Give it time. There are only a few states that have "slightly" re-opened back up again. There are none, to the best of my knowledge, that have re-opened without any restrictions. When that happens, that's when you will see the numbers increase. Also, people ignore what's in their best interests all the time and I'm sure this will be no different. The problem for those folks is, if the governor of the state in which they live will decide if and when sports will be played in their state, no one else.
 
I don't know if any of you noticed this, but the Pennsylvania Education Secretary said just yesterday that he expects PA schools to be open on time in the fall.
AND I bet that if we had asked that same Secretary back in December of last year if he expected schools to close in March of this year, he's have said no.
No one. let me repeat that, NO ONE knows for certain what will happen tomorrow due to this Coronavirus, let alone in 3 months from now.
 
Follow up for those thinking GAs numbers are dropping (they didn’t) combine this with the ICU story ? Not great news at all.

https://www.ajc.com/news/state--reg...tm_medium=email&utm_campaign=campaign_1214662

Even as things open up, there’s still going to have to be some level of trust. I agree with the part of the article that some things are forgivable because of the utter chaos. But if people feel misled, that’s longer they’re gonna remain on the sidelines, open economy or not. And yes I realize some are gonna let it rip and already have. But the more people we can get in get mix the better.

Some of the news is painful and quite frankly depressing and scary. But if there’s a time for openness and transparency it’s right friggin now.
 
Even if we had a vaccine, I'm not sure a majority of people would get it. We can't quarantine forever. Let it rip
We have vaccines for diseases like polio and small pox.
A vaccine means noone, well almost noone will get the disease.

We don't have a vaccine for virus's like the flu, we have shots and treatments.
Flu shots are 40% effective. The Covid shots will be similar.

The best we'll have for Covid is a flu like solution a variety of shots.

Covid like the flu will be with us forever. Few virus's disappear!

Those that want Covid eradicated prior to opening America aren't paying attention!
 
Listening to what people such as Fauci are saying about a likely second wave in the fall which will be extremely difficult since it’s going to piggyback flu season and planning isn’t panic. It’s planning.

magical thinking and pretending it’s gonna just blow over is actually what leads to uninformed decisions... ie:panic.
And perhaps a second wave in the fall means we should get this thing opened now so at least we can get a few months in. If a second wave is coming places like California are going to be in bad shape after nearly a year of being shutdown
 
What reopening lessons can we learn from Sweden ?... It seems their economy suffered despite efforts to generally avoid shut downs... I understand their elderly in nursing homes have been severely ravaged.. Since I have a 93 year old parent in elderly care facility, reopening is going to be stressful for my family..
No easy answers with any of this..
We need way more testing and contact tracing, with isolation infrastructure in place, if you ask me..
 
Well my position is if you want to reopen the economy, if you have to go to dinners, movies, bars, and football games in the middle of the most deadliest pandemic in a century..more power to you. I hope you don’t infect someone you love and are close to...virtual funerals aren’t pretty.
 
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When we go green, and you're high risk or have family members who are, stay home!

If you get sick, seek treatment.

No one is forcing anyone to leave their homes.
Yeah that's what I don't get about all this. As long as hospitals have capacity why do the lockdown people give a shit if others go out. No one is saying you have to. People are able to file unemployment without a employers approval so you will get unemployment,. Why the need to make everyone else do the same? Let people decide.
 
Sure..So long as the dude taking no precautions, and exhibiting risky behaviors, doesn't happen to be the spouse of someone that works at my mother's elderly care facility..
 
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Well my position is if you want to reopen the economy, if you have to go to dinners, movies, bars, and football games in the middle of the most deadliest pandemic in a century..more power to you. I hope you don’t infect someone you love and is close to...virtual funerals aren’t pretty.
+1000 but some think they are entitled to be entertained during a pandemic that happens every 100 years. This virus is 4x as potent than the flu. SMH about individuals that are supposedly educated.
Our focus should be getting people back to work and go from there. Sports should take a hiatus for a year. I can survive without bread and circus for that long.
 
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What reopening lessons can we learn from Sweden ?... It seems their economy suffered despite efforts to generally avoid shut downs... I understand their elderly in nursing homes have been severely ravaged.. Since I have a 93 year old parent in elderly care facility, reopening is going to be stressful for my family..
No easy answers with any of this..
We need way more testing and contact tracing, with isolation infrastructure in place, if you ask me..

The last part is easy in a world without the Constitution. But we don’t live in that world. Everybody loves to point to South Korea’s preventative measures, but half of that stuff just politically could never happen here, and legally it couldn’t either.
 
AND I bet that if we had asked that same Secretary back in December of last year if he expected schools to close in March of this year, he's have said no.
No one. let me repeat that, NO ONE knows for certain what will happen tomorrow due to this Coronavirus, let alone in 3 months from now.


Wait, so your point is that if we asked the guy back before all this started if he knew that this was going to happen he wouldn't have known back then? Well yeah, duh, no kidding.

You are correct. No one knows what is going to happen. Not the open it ups or the chicken littles. But the people in charge are PLANNING for things to be open. Pennsylvania is PLANNING for school to be open this fall. Many other schools are PLANNING to be open in the fall. The reason that they are planning for it is that they EXPECT that schools will be open in some form or fashion. They aren't guaranteeing it, but they most certainly are EXPECTING it.
 
The last part is easy in a world without the Constitution. But we don’t live in that world. Everybody loves to point to South Korea’s preventative measures, but half of that stuff just politically could never happen here, and legally it couldn’t either.


Yeah, every time I see people extolling what they did in South Korea to reduce the spread and wondering why we didn't do that here it makes me wonder if people know what some of the stuff that they did actually was. Stuff like two weeks forced quarantine for people who were even in the same place as someone who eventually tested positive, and I don't mean two weeks where you are told to stay home, I mean two weeks where they literally lock you in your home. And if you live with someone who wasn't exposed, two weeks essentially locked up as if you were in prison. And they did stuff like confiscating people's cell phones so they could use the location data on the phone to figure out every place someone had been, so they could lock those people up too. And a whole lot of other stuff that would be absolutely illegal here, but because they don't have a constitution like ours that guarantees people certain rights the government can get away with.
 
I have avoided responding but can’t anymore I work in the long term care industry and have lost residents to this disease Please don’t make this political. Some things I have learned even nursing home residents who already have medical issues survive this infection. In fact the majority do People with serious complications from other issues don’t. The average age of people dying is 79. We had 2 100 year old survive. Yes there are young people who die from this but they die from the flu or pneumonia every year also. The difference with this is how extremely contagious it is just thought I would share some information
 
Apparently Alabama and LSU are already guaranteeing recruits that football will be played in the fall, and using that as a recruiting tool.
 
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