OT: AB to the Bills ......

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Still you don't have to give in to him. Something like a pick, less than a #1, is not valuable enough IMO, to hand him what he wants.

I don't like letting AB call the shots here anymore than you do but the dude can refuse to go to a team and if that happens (like it did with buffalo) then that blows up the trade.

This isn't 1971 where a coach walks in, tells the player he is traded and he has 12 hours to pack up and get on a plane.. doesn't work this way anymore..

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

? Brown has no control over this. The Bills didn't want to offer what the steelres were looking for.

is that what happened? listening to reports (yes, they often are wrong) the deal was close last night and AB refused to go to the Bills. that's what I read but again, who the hell knows what really happened.

The more I follow this story, the more I want to punch myself in the face. can we go back to arguing about a 5th string DT moving to 4th string Guard?

 

[McKee Place]

steelers aren't going to get equal value in this, it's not gonna happen. it wont even be close. we are giving a top 3 WR away and we aren't going to get anything remotely close to the value he brings on the field. that's just the way it is..

he has completely sabotaged his value, he's a lunatic and the steelers right now have to find that point of what is the least they can get back before it's a complete wash.. under no circumstance will he be on our roster ever again, we all know this. it just wont happen. Knowing that, the steelers have to swallow common sense and try to get something of value..

Players have more power than we believe. That lunatic backup RB we had set the precedent, the one that ended up with the Pats. He sabotaged his relationship with steelers and got exactly what he wanted. AB is doing the same.

This is unfortunately right on. It's why I kept advocating they try whatever rapprochement they could with him, however distasteful. I just don't see a viable return forthcoming. But i suppose the breaking point was when he mocked Tomlin, that put the Rooneys in a corner. Rather clever on ABs part, whether he actually realizes that...

 

[Pitt79]

He’s 31 and a head case.

The best offer is going to be a player and 3-4 th round pick.

Accept this fact- he’s not coveted

So why do it? passing up Landry Jones, Jerrald Hawkins or Doran Grant.

 

[Pitt79]

I don't like letting AB call the shots here anymore than you do but the dude can refuse to go to a team and if that happens (like it did with buffalo) then that blows up the trade.

This isn't 1971 where a coach walks in, tells the player he is traded and he has 12 hours to pack up and get on a plane.. doesn't work this way anymore..

Doesn't mean you have to give in at all. Disagree all you want, sometimes you should stand on principle, they aren't required to trade him just because he wants it. but if you can get something of real value, (1st round pick minimum) then fine, go for it.

But that's a judgement, sometimes you can just say, the hell with you, there's nothing out there worth it for us, you have a contract and have NO SAY, so play or sit, your choice.

Passing on a 3rd round pick is not going to cost them a championship, they have 6 titles in 88 years, so I wouldn't cry that some 22 year old kid still around at the 103rd pick will make a big difference, taking a stand might be worth more.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

So why do it? passing up Landry Jones, Jerrald Hawkins or Doran Grant.

Because he’s a cancer
They want him gone but want to recoup some value

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Doesn't mean you have to give in at all. Disagree all you want, sometimes you should stand on principle, they aren't required to trade him just because he wants it. but if you can get something of real value, (1st round pick minimum) then fine, go for it.

But that's a judgement, sometimes you can just say, the hell with you, there's nothing out there worth it for us, you have a contract and have NO SAY, so play or sit, your choice.

Passing on a 3rd round pick is not going to cost them a championship, they have 6 titles in 88 years, so I wouldn't cry that some 22 year old id still around at the 103rd pick will make a big difference, taking a stand might be worth more.

if they cut him and basically let him go, then all of your posts have validity.

What's ironic about this is, you and Colbert are saying the same thing. Colbert has said a few times he wont take less than a first. It's the fans, us, that you are arguing. we are the ones saying "we will get nothing more than a 3rd so get it done," Colbert and the steelers are kind of taking the same stance that you are preaching. Colbert said many times he wont take less than what he thinks is fair and that is a lot more than what we think is the market value..

So in theory, you may be spot on here and the 99% of us are full of it..

 

[FreeportPanther]

Doesn't mean you have to give in at all. Disagree all you want, sometimes you should stand on principle, they aren't required to trade him just because he wants it. but if you can get something of real value, (1st round pick minimum) then fine, go for it.

But that's a judgement, sometimes you can just say, the hell with you, there's nothing out there worth it for us, you have a contract and have NO SAY, so play or sit, your choice.

Passing on a 3rd round pick is not going to cost them a championship, they have 6 titles in 88 years, so I wouldn't cry that some 22 year old kid still around at the 103rd pick will make a big difference, taking a stand might be worth more.

A classic example.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Rooneys aren't HARD, they can be walked over, if AB gets what he wants, it's weakness by the ROONEYS.

The Rooneys took your advice.

 

[FreeportPanther]

if they cut him and basically let him go, then all of your posts have validity.

What's ironic about this is, you and Colbert are saying the same thing. Colbert has said a few times he wont take less than a first. It's the fans, us, that you are arguing. we are the ones saying "we will get nothing more than a 3rd so get it done," Colbert and the steelers are kind of taking the same stance that you are preaching. Colbert said many times he wont take less than what he thinks is fair and that is a lot more than what we think is the market value..

So in theory, you may be spot on here and the 99% of us are full of it..

Thought you said Good Day??

 

[HOF Coach]

Steelers are fools and weaklings, accommodating this A-hole. I’d rather not get a mid round pick or two that these idiots will WASTE on a long snapper or future AAF players. You’re getting a big cap hit either way, KEEP HIM, tell him to report, when he doesn’t suspend him, and block him from playing anywhere, then make funny jokes about it on Twitter, out of spite! I HATE THE ROONEYS, I prefer bad ass people who will F you over if you try to cross them. I HATE NICE GUYS. Oh yeah, and fire Uncle TOMlin too! And quit pointing to the 6 trophies, it might have been more if they didn’t masturbate over three coaches in 50 years, sometimes the coach is the last missing piece to a championship.

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom2]

Will be interesting to see if they don’t get the value they want and decide to keep him.

Could really set a precedent for how other players will act in similar situations.

 

[Pitt79]

Look at it this way, what do you really lose if you pass on a 3rd, 4th or 5th round pick just to keep him from playing? The odds are, is you probably miss the opportunity to have a future AAF or XFL player come to camp this year.

 

[Pitt79]

if they cut him and basically let him go, then all of your posts have validity.

What's ironic about this is, you and Colbert are saying the same thing. Colbert has said a few times he wont take less than a first. It's the fans, us, that you are arguing. we are the ones saying "we will get nothing more than a 3rd so get it done," Colbert and the steelers are kind of taking the same stance that you are preaching. Colbert said many times he wont take less than what he thinks is fair and that is a lot more than what we think is the market value..

So in theory, you may be spot on here and the 99% of us are full of it..

Why do you want that 3rd round pick so much, do you honestly think it's going to make or break the team? If you screw over AB force him to not be allowed to play anywhere else for a year or two, it's going to deter others from this path if they feel like leaving, So trade him next March, I'd assume the cap hit is less by then. And at that point, after he sat out a year, and you hurt him, a 4th or 5th round pick would seem ok.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

I don't work there, if I did, that's what I do. I have won contracts in the past, worth millions of dollars with HARD approaches that pissed off people I worked for, so it's not like I don't have any experience in a negotiation.

The market determines his worth. Right now, it is not much.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Why do you want that 3rd round pick so much, do you honestly think it's going to make or break the team? If you screw over AB force him to not be allowed to play anywhere else for a year or two, it's going to deter others from this path if they feel like leaving, So trade him next March, I'd assume the cap hit is less by then. And at that point, after he sat out a year, and you hurt him, a 4th or 5th round pick would seem ok.

no, I don't think it will make or break the team. in truth, neither will a first rd pick. we have more weaknesses than one and with our past first rd draft picks, well lets just say we are in the shape that we are for a reason..

Steelers have the insight to scout and draft first RD CB and OLBs about as poorly as anyone who's ever watched a game of football.

 

[HOF Coach]

This just maybe the single dumbest post ever on these forums. Do you know hard that it is to accomplish? I mean, if you don't think trying to trade him to Buffalo is not "bad ass", then.....my god it is this a horrible, horrible take.

 

[HailtoPitt]

Right now AB is toxic and nobody wants him. The Steelers should consider keeping him and then trading early in the season after some big games and another team is panicking.

 

[Pitt79]

The market determines his worth. Right now, it is not much.

So, if it's not much, why do some of you see it as urgent to take not much?

 

[Pitt79]

Right now AB is toxic and nobody wants him. The Steelers should consider keeping him and then trading early in the season after some big games and another team is panicking.

This makes sense, also makes AB more desperate, if he wants to play, by midseason, possibly he'll be less picky about where. Trading him now for some mid round pick to somewhere he wants to be is stupid.

 

[Pitt79]

He says he doesn't care if he ever plays anymore, he has money, so keep him, suspend him without pay and just wait. As long as you still hold his contract, he can't play anywhere else. If he's desperate to play, then he may accept anywhere as his destination, MAKE HIM PROVE that he doesn't care to play anymore.

 

[FreeportPanther]

This makes sense, also makes AB more desperate, if he wants to play, by midseason, possibly he'll be less picky about where. Trading him now for some mid round pick to somewhere he wants to be is stupid.

Except AB is bat shit crazy, so all logic is out the window.

Somehow he thinks he's in the same situation as Bell, another Rhodes Scholar.
He thinks his being an A hole is going to get him a new contract with oodles of guaranteed $$.
That is just nuts!
The Steelers are wise to dump this turd on anyone who'll take him for whatever they can get!
The Steelers organization's goal is to win football games. Keeping a disgruntled AB around, especially if he holds out, is counter to that goal.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

is that what happened? listening to reports (yes, they often are wrong) the deal was close last night and AB refused to go to the Bills. that's what I read but again, who the hell knows what really happened.

The more I follow this story, the more I want to punch myself in the face. can we go back to arguing about a 5th string DT moving to 4th string Guard?

Unless he has a no movement clause-
Which I highly doubt -

He doesn’t get to veto a trade .
He can threaten to not play for that team and hold out for a better contract -
But that’s about it

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

He says he doesn't care if he ever plays anymore, he has money, so keep him, suspend him without pay and just wait. As long as you still hold his contract, he can't play anywhere else. If he's desperate to play, then he may accept anywhere as his destination, MAKE HIM PROVE that he doesn't care to play anymore.

He’s under contract-

Not paying him isn’t an option-
Unless they cut him.

Which is what he actually wants - so he’s a free agent.

 

[Pitt79]

Except AB is bat shit crazy, so all logic is out the window.

Somehow he thinks he's in the same situation as Bell, another Rhodes Scholar.
He thinks his being an A hole is going to get him a new contract with oodles of guaranteed $$.
That is just nuts!
The Steelers are wise to dump this turd on anyone who'll take him for whatever they can get!
The Steelers organization's goal is to win football games. Keeping a disgruntled AB around, especially if he holds out, is counter to that goal.

Better to be strong and keep him, better to be batsh!t crazy yourself. It's not like he will be there at work, he'll be at home Tweeting.

 

[wbrpanther]

I REPORTED YOUR POST TO THE ADMIN, NAME CALLING IS AGAINST THE RULES

Not if it's true.

 

[wbrpanther]

What will you get, will a 2nd or 3rd round pick WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP? They way they have been drafting, what you'll get won't win anything, maybe a long snapper and #3 QB and some future AAF players. You're also setting a precedent, that other players can use if they decide they want out. You actually think you'ff make up that production with a 2nd or 3rd or 4th round pick plus a $20million cap hit?

How many championships have they won with him.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Unless he has a no movement clause-
Which I highly doubt -

He doesn’t get to veto a trade .
He can threaten to not play for that team and hold out for a better contract -
But that’s about it

It looks like that is what happened. Bills called him or his agent, talked to him and realized that there is a good chance he won’t show up to buffalo, so the trade was put to bed.

You can’t force an adult to move to buffalo and play professional football. Bills realized this and ended the deal.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Better to be strong and keep him, better to be batsh!t crazy yourself. It's not like he will be there at work, he'll be at home Tweeting.

And getting paid..


Which means the Steelers get no value


Think this through.

Trading him to anyone is the strongest move the Steelers have

 

[Pitt79]

He’s under contract-

Not paying him isn’t an option

So you're saying, and maybe you're right, I don't know. You are saying that this contract, still pays you money if you don't show up for work at all? If you're never seen at the facility all year, the checks keep rolling in? It still pays you money, you get a check deposited in your account, if you never show up for any practices, meetings or games?

 

[Pitt79]

And getting paid..


Which means the Steelers get no value


Think this through.

Trading him to anyone is the strongest move the Steelers have

He still gets his paycheck if he never comes to work? Never does his job?

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

It looks like that is what happened. Bills called him or his agent, talked to him and realized that there is a good chance he won’t show up to buffalo, so the trade was put to bed.

You can’t force an adult to move to buffalo and play professional football. Bills realized this and ended the deal.

Which is the risk for any trade partner .
It’s not because ab gets a vote-
It’s because other organizations don’t want to take the risk of getting no value from their trade .

 

[Pitt79]

How many championships have they won with him.

As many as probably 90% of the players in Steelers history have won. He's not the reason that they haven't won a Super Bowl the last decade.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Unless he has a no movement clause-
Which I highly doubt -

He doesn’t get to veto a trade .
He can threaten to not play for that team and hold out for a better contract -
But that’s about it

Yeah that's just it. It is not the Rooney's being "soff", it is the fact that Buffalo backed out when AB balked that he was going to hold out.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

He still gets his paycheck if he never comes to work? Never does his job?

Yes
He gets his roster bonuses and deferred signing bonus
He’ll get paid $6.3 mil for sitting on his couch

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/antonio-brown-6702/

Now- take a break from posturing and actually think for a minute.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

So you're saying, and maybe you're right, I don't know. You are saying that this contract, still pays you money if you don't show up for work at all? If you're never seen at the facility all year, the checks keep rolling in? It still pays you money, you get a check deposited in your account, if you never show up for any practices, meetings or games?

The only thing that the Steelers can do is if AB keeps it up or doesn't show up, then they can say it is conduct unbecoming to the team. I mean, the Steelers gave him a game check for the Cincy game. But all of black athlete America is lining up behind AB and painting the Steelers as the bad guys. The Steelers could have refused paying him that check.

The Steelers need to sit down with Rosenhaus and have a come to jesus moment. The very last thing and it is not going to happen is to cut AB so he is a free agent and he can dictate terms. That is not going to happen, under no circumstances. That would be, the Rooney's being "soft".

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom2]

He says he doesn't care if he ever plays anymore, he has money, so keep him, suspend him without pay and just wait. As long as you still hold his contract, he can't play anywhere else. If he's desperate to play, then he may accept anywhere as his destination, MAKE HIM PROVE that he doesn't care to play anymore.

That sure seem the best way to test those words. Would be fun to watch.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

So geniuses? What is it? You have a contract, do they still have to send you paychecks if you never perform your end of the contract, meaning YOUR SERVICES, seems like some of you are saying, he would still get paid, even if he never showed up for any Steelers function or any Steelers facility all year, I can't see that being true. I'd have to think he could be suspended without pay and still be barred from playing anywhere else if he never came to work.

You’re wrong
If he’s in the roster (even suspended- he gets that bonus)
His deferred signing bonus - that’s guaranteed money,


Again-
Stop reacting and think it through like an adult.

 

[Pitt79]

Yes
He gets his roster bonuses and deferred signing bonus
He’ll get paid $6.3 mil for sitting on his couch

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/antonio-brown-6702/

Now- take a break from posturing and actually think for a minute.

I still don't see anything in your link that addresses whether he'll still get paid if he never comes to work at all? The $2.5 million, yes, I can see that, but I can't believe that you can get the whole thing while voluntarily not working.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Steelers have bent over backwards for this guy, done everything possible to appease his wishes. Tried several times to meet with him and talk it out. Rooney tried, tomlin tried and AB continues to insult and mock everyone.

Then the Steelers realized the bridge has been burned and are now trying to trade him, something AB wants, and he continues to act in a way that is making it impossible for the Steelers to help him.

This is unbelievable how bad AB is acting. You have to wonder what Drew is telling him.