The bonuses are guaranteed, but that would be it, he doesn't get the whole annual salary without showing up. I'd still do it.
You could still prevent him from getting his base salary of $12,625,000
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The bonuses are guaranteed, but that would be it, he doesn't get the whole annual salary without showing up. I'd still do it.
You could still prevent him from getting his base salary of $12,625,000
Why is everyone so mad at pitt79? You guys are the ones coming off bad here, getting all worked up. Over what?
Pitt79 has an opinion, why are we calling him names. F’in relax, seriously. The truth is none of you know squat about this. No one knows what or if he will get paid, what we will get for him, if he has to play or go where he is traded. We’ve all learned from him and Bell last year that none of us knows anything.
All of your opinions are just that, zero factual info involved here. Quit acting like a bunch of Babies on here.
Pitt79 has an opinion, why are we calling him names. F’in relax, seriously. The truth is none of you know squat about this. No one knows what or if he will get paid, what we will get for him, if he has to play or go where he is traded. We’ve all learned from him and Bell last year that none of us knows anything.
All of your opinions are just that, zero factual info involved here. Quit acting like a bunch of Babies on here.
I can see, right now, that he is due this $2.5 mil, roster bonus next week. But the players aren't at work at the moment, so I don't care about the link someone provided about his contract. Do you have ALL OF THE TEXT of the ENTIRE CONTRACT.... ALL OF THE CLAUSES?
What exactly does that say about never showing up for work? If the guaranteed bonus is due in September for example, does the contract say anything about NOT WORKING at all, does the contract have any recourse for the team, in a case where the player isn't holding up his end of the deal? I'd be shocked if there isn't something in there like that.
What exactly does that say about never showing up for work? If the guaranteed bonus is due in September for example, does the contract say anything about NOT WORKING at all, does the contract have any recourse for the team, in a case where the player isn't holding up his end of the deal? I'd be shocked if there isn't something in there like that.
Sure, any player can make a difference, if you hit the right one. I'd say once you are getting past the 2-3-4 round, the odds are pretty bad., Steelers usually bust on their 1st picks lately.
You honestly think you will get these questions answered from these knuckle heads? Questions about a contract from pantherlair message board posters?
No, I don't, personally, I think it's stupid to assume that these contracts are so one way, that a team has no recourse to avoid paying a player who never comes to work. These fine posters seem to act like they know definitively, so I'm asking them. By the way, I don't name call, I've been banned from this board before, so I try to follow the rules, I would hope others would as well.
it is stupid. I've read a post on here that the player will get paid regardless if he shows up or not? Think that was from souf. after reading something like that, it acknowledges that no one has any clue what they are talking about and they need to immediately stop commenting on this until they remove their heads out from inside of their own ass.
no one knows, even Bell's own agent didn't know what the hell was going on with him last year and that was his own agent, who had a copy of the contract. you think one of these clowns' know what is going on with the cba and AB's contract?
Unless they say something involving Bernie or Trump, their posts ikely won't be deleted.
In fact, someone on here posted that they could have chosen not to pay him his game check for the Cincy game he didn't play in? that tells me there must be some recourse, some situations where you can dock pay.
Let me ask you this, do you go out of your way to try and be a contrarian to everything?
Come on man. You guys are all worked up over this and in reality, he’s saying same thing Colbert is saying. You called him a little bitch, you don’t think that was a bit much?
You guys don’t know which way is up with AB and I’m seeing you all talk in certainties and it’s ridiculous.
But to answer your question, no, I don’t go out of my way to do it. Habitually, I veer off in that direction but it’s not something I do consciously.
Watching an ass clown like AB get paid millions makes me want to stop watching the NFL.
Yes
The roster and signing bonuses
Hence $6.3mil he gets regardless.
Think for a minute, and stop reacting
Nobody is upset.
He, like you often are- has an ill informed opinion.
And rather than think logically and adapt to facts -
He is doubling down on stupid .
So of course you back him.
It’s the same tactic you take.
I’m giving the facts .
I stand with my lair brethren. If I see one of them unfairly attacked by the masses, I will stand by their side.
I’m here to stand up for the rights of other posters. Some of you are made to feel inferior, why? Cause you think AB shouldn’t be traded for a third rd pick? Well you are not.
I have news for you, recruits, souf, HOF coach and all the others, Theres a lot more of us then there are of you.
I know there are other posters here reading this, when you posted and some posters called you a spazz, or a dork, or a geek. Any of you ever felt stepped on, left out, picked on, put down, why don’t you just come on down here and join me and pitt79, okay, come on. Join us
Facts? You said AB will get paid if he shows up or not. Souf, you don’t have a clue on any of this. You couldn’t identify your ass from a hole in the wall if I gave you three chances to guess. You talk in certainties on something you, or any of us, don’t have a clue about.
Just say you don’t know squat, quit making up crap and passing it off as fact and I’ll quit pointing out your ignorance. You want to keep doubling down on wrong information, I’m going to keep slapping you around. You know me, I like this. I’ll do this all day.
I am not seeking petty revenge as many fans do...I earnestly still wish the guy still could end up playing again for the steelers actually. As a fan, I really couldnt give a rat's behind what dumb antics this or any idiot player pulls on his own time. I care about what they do in the uniform between the lines, pd.
But as a fan, I want the best result for "my" team. If a rapprochement is totally impossible, and the trade offers reek like they supposedly do, it's entirely acceptable as a fan to root for the Steelers to throw AB on a shelf and 'let him rot', as long as they could be sure he'd hold out and they wouldn't have to pay him. If the rules of the league, labor agreement, and his contract dictate that to be the best course of action for "my" team, it seems an obvious route, at least until or if another team gets desperate and steps up with a greater offer.
It's not ideal of course, but sometimes one alternative is bad but the other is worse (think, buying out Stallings awful deal vs keeping him). There's no shame in that.
But as a fan, I want the best result for "my" team. If a rapprochement is totally impossible, and the trade offers reek like they supposedly do, it's entirely acceptable as a fan to root for the Steelers to throw AB on a shelf and 'let him rot', as long as they could be sure he'd hold out and they wouldn't have to pay him. If the rules of the league, labor agreement, and his contract dictate that to be the best course of action for "my" team, it seems an obvious route, at least until or if another team gets desperate and steps up with a greater offer.
It's not ideal of course, but sometimes one alternative is bad but the other is worse (think, buying out Stallings awful deal vs keeping him). There's no shame in that.
Who's being contrarian? I never say anything I don't fully believe.
I still think there could be an out. If he does nothing as far as his job. I don't know? And neither do you. Did you read all the clauses in the contract? Does it say anything about what could put him in breach of contract? The contract is him, being paid to provide his services, to do a job, if he's not doing it at all, aren't there any penalties? Fines? Any good cause to not pay him, yes even the bonus. If he accepts the $2.5 million bonus next week, that's like saying he is going to fulfill his end of the contract. We have any lawyers here. What I'm saying makes total sense.
If AB stays with the Steelers and refuses to come to work he will be suspended. He won't get paid. And he will have to return prorated portions of his signing bonus and roster bonus. Each game would cost him around 750,000 dollars just in salary. The NFL ain't baseball. Most money isn't guaranteed and even in baseball you can't just quit and expect to be paid.
The huge elephant in the room is how will the team be affected both on the field and in the locker room if this psychotic clown stays on the team. I simply don't see how the team chemistry can be anything but poisoned if he stays.
Sabotage any trade and force the Steelers to cut him so he can go where he wants. Steelers should force his hand and tell him they want him to report to camp if he is going to veto trades. Yes that's playing with fire but I don't see many great options unless they are willing to accept next to nothing in return. Still better than letting this lunatic call the shots I suppose.
Souf, if he decides to just not show up I believe his signing bonuses [plural] could be in jeopardy. Those are guaranteed, yes, but I am willing to bet there are minimum things he needs to do.
The bonus might be the latest of signing payments extending back to the original signing and perhaps that can't be avoided once past March 14, or something.
But if he refuses to fulfill the basics of his job, they can put him on something for want of the official term, is the "jackass list" and withhold his salary, and I don't believe it effects their cap either.
This ain't MLB where guys like Derrick Bell can just sit on his yacht and keep getting paid (another reason to ignore baseball).
Maybe NFL players agreed to a sorry agreement compared to MLB, but what a D. Bell was able to do in baseball, or what a AB would LIKE to foment (essentially fraud, a coup d'etat against a legal agreement) against the steelers, is bad business for sports and its customers.
I know some have agendas, and happy to see a player 'stick it to the man'. But fans/ customers ARE 'the man'... they pay the freight. Even if only with your time, watching or yeah, writing dumb posts on message boards.
You don't have to love the mega wealthy owners to be rooting against to allow players to just arbitrarily welch on their commitments. Philly or Cleve fans on the board may be loving the screw job of the Steelers, but it could definitely happen with one of their stars someday too. Just act like a jackass in public, and call the coach stupid insults, and blow off practice (forcing a suspension), expect to get given away for nothing and expect your deal reworked and more money? No freaking way.
I say, if trade offers are not going to improve, a likelihood right now ... don't cave for crap. Then both for principle but mostly to keep a great player out off somebody else's team (unless they trade commiserate value) ... pull him off the table. Yes maybe they lose that 2.5 mil unavoidably (but remember, they got value for that in previous years of play). Small potatoes in the bigger picture anyway.
Exactly, so what can go wrong, so they don't win the Super Bowl, so what? they've only won 6 of the last 88 NFL championships.
It only makes sense that to get all of these payments, you should be living up to your end of the contract.
If he retired today and the Steelers already paid him the full signing bonus, they can try and recoup some of his signing bonus. It would probably end up in a legal battle and in most cases teams do not go after the signing bonus for players in good standings who retire but it is possible to go after the signing bonus for the portion of contract that was not met.
But if AB "retired" today and the Steelers paid him the full $19 million signing bonus for a 4 year contract and AB only fulfills 1 year of it they can try and get part of the signing bonus back.
The Steelers are going to be around for 100 years after this. You think they're going to trade AB for a ------- 4th round pick? And give the blueprint to every single jabrony who wants to get out of town for a new contract from now until 2119? No way, no how. If you can't get a top 40 pick for him because he's acting like a lunatic on TV and instagram, he can come to camp and stay in the dorms this time.
Break the AC in his room.
Make him run 50 crossing routes against the Bengals.
Make him run 50 go routes against everyone else.
Or sit him if he refuses to play nice and get a portion of his money back.
AB thinks the Steelers have no leverage but he is very, very wrong about that. If he wants to ---- with the team, they can make him miserable until he's 34 years old. You think he'll get a $20/m year deal then? It's time to play hardball with home boy.
Break the AC in his room.
Make him run 50 crossing routes against the Bengals.
Make him run 50 go routes against everyone else.
Or sit him if he refuses to play nice and get a portion of his money back.
AB thinks the Steelers have no leverage but he is very, very wrong about that. If he wants to ---- with the team, they can make him miserable until he's 34 years old. You think he'll get a $20/m year deal then? It's time to play hardball with home boy.
All his scenarios of leverage leave money on the table. But hey, maybe he's really doing this for the good of his fellow brothers.
THIS^^^ makes sense, the contract can't be set up to allow a guy to get paid and not work.
It would be a blueprint but luckily there aren't that many certifiable lunatics out there with the talent of AB. I still think some team will give up a reasonably high pick to get him. But AB hijacked his own future by acting out like he has since the end of the season. Coming out and saying he wants a new contract with huge guaranteed cash and teams are going to play by his rules from now on. That's not exactly what other GMs and owners want to hear. If worse comes to worse he will play for the Steelers and one of the two big circus tents [the other being Leveon] will have to stay up for a while longer.
But you can bet Tomlin will have to have him on a short leash or tomlin may be gone before AB.
If I’m Rooney, I go back to Brown’s agent and tell him to seek a trade. When he comes back with less than adequate compensation, tell them no until they do. In the meantime he can sit on his ass with the same contract and no playtime and most of all, no attention. At 31 he can’t afford to lose a whole season.
If he reports to camp, do not allow him to practice or let him on the facility until this is squared away. If you allow him to practice, he will fake an injury...
Let his agent deal with it.
If he reports to camp, do not allow him to practice or let him on the facility until this is squared away. If you allow him to practice, he will fake an injury...
Let his agent deal with it.
This link explains the situation pretty well. Right now, the Steelers are enabling the behavior because they want to move Brown in a way that is beneficial or create an argument against a grievance with the union. There is no reason to come down on AB until they've exhausted all avenues. Once that happens, the tone may change dramatically.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/03/08/antonio-brown-essentially-has-a-no-trade-clause/
