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OT:Bigelow Blvd. between Student Union and Cathedral

I've always thought Oakland was a nice area when our kids went to PITT 04-10. We visited and loved the area understanding PITT is in a "city" setting. I agree with PantherParrotthead you need to get out more and visit U's in dump cities. The PITT environment is really nice and safe compared to most others.
Our kids grew us in a rural "cornfield" place in PA so Oakland gave the kids an idea what a big city is like without having to worry about the perils of a big, ugly, dangerous city.

Pitt's campus and Oakland is much improved over that past 20-30 years. They've really done a nice job with large (like Schenley Plaza) and subtle things (street lamps to name just one of many) to make it significantly nicer than it had been. There is still a lot that could be done. Closing Bigelow would be a significant improvement specifically for Pitt's campus.
 
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Oakland , what a dump!
Always was always will be.
Anything Pitt does is just putting lipstick on a pig.
Then there is always the Pgh politician and that hot mess

Should have moved the whole thing to Greensburg campus years ago...


Oakland where you can go to see the works of Van Gogh,Monet,Degas, Manet, Renoir, Cezanne, Pissarro, Morisot etc. Oakland where you can see one of the finest Dinosaur collections in the United States.
Oakland where you can visit Phipps Conservatory and Botanical Gardens.

Is that the Oakland that you are talking about or did you mean Oakland Cal.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!
 
Oakland where you can go to see the works of Van Gogh,Monet,Degas, Manet, Renoir, Cezanne, Pissarro, Morisot etc. Oakland where you can see one of the finest Dinosaur collections in the United States.
Oakland where you can visit Phipps Conservatory and Botanical Gardens.

Is that the Oakland that you are talking about or did you mean Oakland Cal.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

Such a dump...
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This is already happening and Pitt and UPMC are already cooperating. UPMC is giving the city a slice of land in front of the former Children's Hospital site to built a BRT station.

Pitt should make closing Bigelow a condition of getting a single dime in PILOT though.

As far as I know they are still "studying" the possibilities (wink wink). But, if Pitt wants to close Bigelow they can play hardball here. It is a matter of priority.
 
As far as I know they are still "studying" the possibilities (wink wink). But, if Pitt wants to close Bigelow they can play hardball here. It is a matter of priority.
I hope they do. Makes complete sense. We turn onto it from Forbes to head up to O'Hara. I crawl through there....it can be dicey if its raining.
 
Pretty Simple Solution:
If the students want the road closed, go protest it, block the road en mass- get the news, call Peduto and that'll be that. #donedeal.
 
Oakland , what a dump!
Always was always will be.
Anything Pitt does is just putting lipstick on a pig.
Then there is always the Pgh politician and that hot mess

Should have moved the whole thing to Greensburg campus years ago...

Greensburg's already been ruined enough by Seton Hill's expansion lol.
 
As far as I know they are still "studying" the possibilities (wink wink). But, if Pitt wants to close Bigelow they can play hardball here. It is a matter of priority.

Yes, I've seen renderings for a couple different closures and partial closures over the years. But when the city has been trying to tax the students, tax your facilities and real estate, shove PILOTs on you, and foist unions on you, while you are cutting things left and right because the state and fed income isn't coming in like it used to, you have to pick your battles. Getting the Robinson Court site, for instance, was a much more important war to wage with the prior city administration than closing Bigelow. That was an important acquisition and development for Pitt's P5 status.
 
Such a dump...
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And Oakland is continuing to improve. I saw that UPMC is planning on renovating the Iroquois Building. Good to see for a very visible building on campus. Also the SkyVue apartments are coming along and it looks the complex at 3407 Forbes is moving forward.

Forbes is going to look completely different in a few years.
 
Oakland , what a dump!
Always was always will be.
Anything Pitt does is just putting lipstick on a pig.
Then there is always the Pgh politician and that hot mess

Should have moved the whole thing to Greensburg campus years ago..
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Fixed. You just forgot the purple sarcasm font. Either that or you are an unfettered idiot.
 
It's always a good idea to connect the largest concentrations of student residences and student union to the core of the main campus where the main campus building, theatre, and chapel sit. It would be a significant campus enhancement.

It is a safety issue. People get struck crossing Bigelow nearly every year. People have been killed, including a former Chancellor's wife. I personally have seen a man in a wheelchair struck by a car trying to cross Bigelow when I was in school.

Nearly every minor and major urban college in America has been able to close similar stretches of streets that bisect their campus. One only has to look across the state at Penn, Drexel, and Temple where local government actually helped to facilitate similar campus upgrades for all of those schools.

Pitt has been trying to close it down since the 1950s. Every time it attempts to do so, it becomes a political issue with local politicians, for their own political expediency, painting Pitt as a neighborhood bully and predator; often using language like Pitt is trying to prevent ambulances carrying the neighborhood elderly from reaching the hospitals. Jim Ferlo, a disgusting individual in my personal observations of his conduct, employed this tactic. Thank goodness he is no longer around, but his protégés remain.

The political climate has little changed, unfortunately, and one can see this in the pages of the PG on a near weekly basis. More recently, the city rebuffed the closure of Schenley Drive between Schenley Plaza and Hillman/Posvar because of possibility of "students overrunning the public plaza." These are the types of ludicrous statements that continue to be tossed around and keep from happening what would be a no-brainer in any other city in the country. It also suggests to Pitt's administration that there are perhaps bigger local fish to fry.

That said, it has been 20 years since that last serious attempt at closing Bigelow (a closure that, btw, was approved by the city planning commission before the Ferlos of the area made it an issue at the 11th hour), and it might be time to test the waters again. The administration can also rely on the experience of the prior administrative players, who I think, as newly minted university leaders at the time, were caught off-guard by the political uproar that it caused.
If you are looking to the City of Pittsburgh body politic for wisdom, you are going to be terribly disappointed.
 
I can tell you, both Oakland, and downtown Pittsburgh have made HUGE improvements over the last 15 years.

In a city environment, there are always going to be run down areas, but overall, there are some very beautiful areas and both Oakland and downtown Pgh are moving forward.
 
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Oakland , what a dump!
Always was always will be.
Anything Pitt does is just putting lipstick on a pig.
Then there is always the Pgh politician and that hot mess

Should have moved the whole thing to Greensburg campus years ago...
I'll take you on a tour sometime. Don't forget to wear your blue and white (such ugly colors).
 
If you are looking to the City of Pittsburgh body politic for wisdom, you are going to be terribly disappointed.
I wouldn't be too harsh on them, in spite of their not closing Bigelow for Pitt. All things considered, the city is a lot better off than most of the other so-called "rust belt" cities.

*But they shouldn't forget that Pitt (and CMU) had a lot to do with that.*
 
Right, but that is due in part to the contributions its namesake university has made to it. I just think Pitt should be seen for what it is, an ENORMOUS asset for the city of Pittsburgh rather than as some sort of evil monolithic predator.
 
Yes, I've seen renderings for a couple different closures and partial closures over the years. But when the city has been trying to tax the students, tax your facilities and real estate, shove PILOTs on you, and foist unions on you, while you are cutting things left and right because the state and fed income isn't coming in like it used to, you have to pick your battles. Getting the Robinson Court site, for instance, was a much more important war to wage with the prior city administration than closing Bigelow. That was an important acquisition and development for Pitt's P5 status.

Here is an analogy. Just like Barnes needs to learn that Penn State isn't going to renew the current series and that any effort he spends on the matter is wasted, Pitt apparently needs to learn that their efforts playing nice with the city won't matter either.

They want something. Pitt wants something. That's the only way it's getting done.
 
Here is an analogy. Just like Barnes needs to learn that Penn State isn't going to renew the current series and that any effort he spends on the matter is wasted, Pitt apparently needs to learn that their efforts playing nice with the city won't matter either.

They want something. Pitt wants something. That's the only way it's getting done.
I'd have no problem with Pitt throwing its considerable weight around to get things that help Pitt. After all, what's good for Pitt ends-up being good for PITTsburgh.
 
It was actually closed for 30 days (expanded from the original 2 weeks because of the uproar). Yes, once traffic patterns normalized (ie. people figured out they had to drive one extra block to transition to Forbes or Fifth), there was minimal impact. In fact, traffic densities on surrounding streets (one of the major concerns) was less than anticipated and traffic patterns may have actually shown improvement compared an open Bigelow.

The test closing involved closing Bigelow and eliminating parking along South Bouquet and South Bellefield between Forbes and Fifth in order to create additional traffic lanes. At the time, one of the major opponents of the closure was Oakland Typewriter along Bouquet (which is no longer there). In fact, none of the businesses on that side of the street are there any longer. It is now the small park owned by Pitt that most recently turned into the Digital plaza. The test closure also involved the demolition of the old Burger King site which was turned into the other small parklette and metered Pitt parking lot on Fifth (between DeSoto and Bouquet). That plot was originally earmarked for another dorm, but was instead a surface lot was specifically put in to replace parking that was to be lost along S. Bouquet. Now Pitt is effectively stuck with it being used as a parking lot.

There is zero reason for Bigelow to continue to remain open to traffic. In fact, there are a couple of other streets that should be closed as well (or at least bricked or cobblestoned over). The bike lanes, and the current pedestrian/bike-friendly stance of the current city administration, certainly is a plus on the side of trying to engage in a discussion of closing this street again.

On the flip of this, Pitt has actually given the city land to widen and create streets...a swath of the Cathedral Lawn along Fifth, Sennott St between Meyran and Atwood, and Clemente Drive come to mind.
Didn't they also do a trial or tried closing of Bouqet street at one time around then. I recall the owners of the O and the bar behind it that was shit down around that time being against it.
 
At one time Pitt was interested in closing Bigelow Blvd. between the Student Union (Old Shenley Hotel) and the Cathedral of Learning. Pitt approached the City to discuss the possibility but were turned down by the politicos who are no longer in office.

I think a traffic study was done that concluded that the traffic impact would be minimal.

Since it is a high volume travel zone for students (student safety), Pitt wanted to develop the area into a park like setting providing additional green space in Oakland. Similar to the area developed between the Carnegie Library and Hillman Library.

This section of Bigelow is shut down now for certain events such as Homecoming etc.

I thought it was a good idea at the time and still do.

Should Pitt again approach the City with the original concept.

I see the City now has no problem putting in many "Bike Lanes" which are a far greater impediment to traffic and safety (IMHO).

Thoughts

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

This may sound like an odd solution, but have they ever considered "tunneling under" Bigelow (between the Cathedral and Student Union)? There could still be a traffic flow, but cars would travel underground.
 
This may sound like an odd solution, but have they ever considered "tunneling under" Bigelow (between the Cathedral and Student Union)? There could still be a traffic flow, but cars would travel underground.
I was on the campus of University of North Dakota and their campus is connected by underground hallways connecting all of the university buildings, pretty cool. Of course it's north freakin Dakota, where you get a 50 mph wind that is -20 below in September so a bit different..

Regarding topic, this road is stupid. Try driving it on a Monday at noon. You don't stand a chance, students aren't yielding nor shoud they. Give me a bottle of jameson, $400 bucks, a jackhammer, and a dump truck and i'll have this road gone by St. Paddy's day..
 
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