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Honestly - who cares ?That is insane. I’d look into this pacer thing. How many pacers finished the race and how many competitors were near him the entire race. I don’t like the fake racer pacer concept. They probably did a ton of drafting as well. The one thing I like about the Ironman. No drafting allowed, no pacers.
It does matter. It matters how it was done. There are former record holders who did it in races against competitors without personal guides and excessive drafting. We don’t acknowledge fastest cyclist with automobile drafting or even pacers and drafters. They do it on a track by themselves.Honestly - who cares ?
It’s an epic achievement .
26.2 miles in less than 2 hours is insane
Kipchoge was helped along by three dozen pacemakers in alternating groups.
The 26.22-mile race also featured a pace car with a laser beam, projecting the ideal position on the road. Cyclists supplied drinks so runners wouldn’t have to slow down.
Running at an average pace of 4:33.5 minutes per mile, Kipchoge was 11 seconds ahead of schedule halfway through his run. He then maintained his tempo until the pacemakers left him for the final 500 meters, where he sped up.
I absolutely see this as amazing, but it cheapens the true race accomplishment of sub 2. It’s freakin fast. But his 2:01 in a race is more amazing to me.I had read about the preparation for this event, it was specifically set up for him to try and break the 2 hour mark. This was actually the 2nd time he’d tried this, the first time he missed by 26 seconds.
No matter, it is quite an achievement. It’s almost hard to believe the human body is capable of such a thing, similar to cycling when you see guys ride straight up a mountain while maintaining those speeds.
Honestly - who cares ?
It’s an epic achievement .
26.2 miles in less than 2 hours is insane
Give it a little bit of time and someone will run it in a race.
I high school I could run a pretty good sub 5 minute mile (around 4:45 - 4:50). I did it a couple times. Every time I was completely spent afterwards for quite a while.
It's impossible for me to even imagine doing that for 26 miles.
That is insane. I’d look into this pacer thing. How many pacers finished the race and how many competitors were near him the entire race. I don’t like the fake racer pacer concept. They probably did a ton of drafting as well. The one thing I like about the Ironman. No drafting allowed, no pacers.
So should we take away Roger Bannister as the first sub 4 miler for using pacers?
I don’t support pacers like this setting. The sub 2 hour came with nearly 40 pacers, mules, and drafting. His true 2:01 was legit.So should we take away Roger Bannister as the first sub 4 miler for using pacers?
Not to highjack to post but Pitt’s Nick Wolk has run a 4:02 mile. As a senior I’m sure he will attempt to enter the elite field of sub 4 minute milers.So should we take away Roger Bannister as the first sub 4 miler for using pacers?
Yep it’s like RJpanther and you say, quite an accomplishment but very valid reasons why it is not considered a world record. The sole purpose of the event was to give him the opportunity for sub 2-hr, not just with the pacers but also with a very favorable course layout. If I’m remembering correctly it was 4 laps around the same course.I had read about the preparation for this event, it was specifically set up for him to try and break the 2 hour mark. This was actually the 2nd time he’d tried this, the first time he missed by 26 seconds.
No matter, it is quite an achievement. It’s almost hard to believe the human body is capable of such a thing, similar to cycling when you see guys ride straight up a mountain while maintaining those speeds.
Most people have no idea how fast that pace is...
in my opinion I'd go on a limb and say 99% of the population could not run a quarter of a mile at that pace.. for any disbelievers head up to the local HS and run a 70 second quarter..
Chicago is a widely known fast marathon course. Many of us who run Chicago run it faster than other courses. The one thing none of us have is 40 pacers on a looped course with mules.The one component to this that no one has mentioned yet are the shoes he wore....
Nike has been releasing advanced marathon shoes over the last 2 years that are quite frankly, incredible. I can confirm that they increase running efficiency by a noticeable margin. When you’re starting to kick it at mile 24 to finish out, you can tell you have some juice left in your legs. My last 5k at the Chicago Marathon last year was my fastest 5k which I had never done before in 10 races.
For this race, Eliud wore an unreleased version of the Vaporfly called “Alphafly” that is made with 3 carbon fiber plates, air pockets, and other features that some consider cheating as they provide a “spring” action to the shoe. It won’t be available to anyone beyond the chosen ones until at least 2020 (if it ever makes it out).
I’m not so much concerned about the pacers and fueling practices. And drafting occurs at every race. Even amateurs do it. This test wasn’t to prove if someone could physically run a marathon race in under 2 hours. It was to test the limits to see if the human body could run 26.2 miles in under 2 hours (different than racing in under 2 hours). He did that and it was exciting (yes, I woke up at 2am local to watch this). But how much work did the shoes do for him? At some point, the USATF May step in...
On a side note, the big point of contention in the marathon world right now are downhill marathons. Point to Point races that have 2,000-4,000 foot elevation drops giving runners 3-5 minute advantages. Everyone is always looking to get an advantage, no matter how.
Chicago is a widely known fast marathon course. Many of us who run Chicago run it faster than other courses. The one thing none of us have is 40 pacers on a looped course with mules.The one component to this that no one has mentioned yet are the shoes he wore....
Nike has been releasing advanced marathon shoes over the last 2 years that are quite frankly, incredible. I can confirm that they increase running efficiency by a noticeable margin. When you’re starting to kick it at mile 24 to finish out, you can tell you have some juice left in your legs. My last 5k at the Chicago Marathon last year was my fastest 5k which I had never done before in 10 races.
For this race, Eliud wore an unreleased version of the Vaporfly called “Alphafly” that is made with 3 carbon fiber plates, air pockets, and other features that some consider cheating as they provide a “spring” action to the shoe. It won’t be available to anyone beyond the chosen ones until at least 2020 (if it ever makes it out).
I’m not so much concerned about the pacers and fueling practices. And drafting occurs at every race. Even amateurs do it. This test wasn’t to prove if someone could physically run a marathon race in under 2 hours. It was to test the limits to see if the human body could run 26.2 miles in under 2 hours (different than racing in under 2 hours). He did that and it was exciting (yes, I woke up at 2am local to watch this). But how much work did the shoes do for him? At some point, the USATF May step in...
On a side note, the big point of contention in the marathon world right now are downhill marathons. Point to Point races that have 2,000-4,000 foot elevation drops giving runners 3-5 minute advantages. Everyone is always looking to get an advantage, no matter how.
Cycling has always been the perfect example of lighter faster wind tunnel tested, aerodynamics, pacing, mules, team drafting, auto drafting, and cheating.
This cat is fast, no question. But again, too many factors in play to baby him the entire run and ensure breaking 2 hours. But let’s recognize all of the runners who have done it in a race and soloing to this finish. Not guided by a wall of a pacers and drafting.
doing 12mph on a bike is a pretty solid pace for your average biker..my wife and I went out for an 18 mile ride yesterday at about 10mph and were beat....I mentioned had this dude started a few minutes before we did he would pass us on the trail and we would never see him again...that really put it into perspective...Most people have no idea how fast that pace is...
in my opinion I'd go on a limb and say 99% of the population could not run a quarter of a mile at that pace.. for any disbelievers head up to the local HS and run a 70 second quarter..
They'll be checking bus schedules/cams near and around the course.when you weigh 85 lbs and have a 10 mph tali wind anything is possible.
there will be some follow up article in week where they discovcered he cut through the park or something.
when you weigh 85 lbs and have a 10 mph tali wind anything is possible.
there will be some follow up article in week where they discovcered he cut through the park or something.
Considering it was live streaming and he was the only person running for time and all eyes were on him for 2 hours.... doubtful
Considering it was live streaming and he was the only person running for time and all eyes were on him for 2 hours.... doubtful
I believe we were just joking and Marathon Runner Cheating isn't good for your health.
Marathon runner found dead amid cheating allegations committed suicide, coroner says
By Jessica Schladebeck
New York Daily News |
Jul 09, 2019 | 7:40 AM
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/na...0190709-6rb4hf3fgbbite7uhn3afg3gby-story.html
Tough community that running community.Ah ok. Didn’t think anyone was joking about a guy who was a habitual cheater who was then bullied online by the running community until he killed him self.
Would have been better to cite the Chinese instead, as they’re the real cheaters in respect to racing.
Considering it was live streaming and he was the only person running for time and all eyes were on him for 2 hours.... doubtful
I’d wager 99% is even generous. 99% of marathon runners may not be able to run a 68 second 400m... and then you add in the general slob population and you’re left with slim to none.
I’d wager 99% is even generous. 99% of marathon runners may not be able to run a 68 second 400m... and then you add in the general slob population and you’re left with slim to none.
I made it a point to do a 5k a few years ago. Wanted to see if I could do it despite the condition of my legs and other health issues. I managed around an 11 minute mile, average. Terrible but for me it was a pretty big deal to go start to finish and not have to stop. I don't give a crap how he did this, it's a heck of an achievement.
I've been known to get worn out by taking a nap for two hours.
But I gusss it’s nkt counting as a world record because he had a team of pacemakers. Stupid. But wow is that impressive.
Abebe Bikila barefoot in Rome. Unreal.I absolutely see this as amazing, but it cheapens the true race accomplishment of sub 2. It’s freakin fast. But his 2:01 in a race is more amazing to me.
Abebe Bikila barefoot in Rome. Unreal.
Could you even see him tucked in behind 40 pacersConsidering it was live streaming and he was the only person running for time and all eyes were on him for 2 hours.... doubtful