-we are up 2-0. Past means nothing at this point. He has to show up now, and has. Appreciate the wins guys this year.
OT - Fleury to start Game #1 of the Playoffs tonight ......
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You can name 20 guys in the draft better, I could name damn near 100 Pittsburgh athletes more overrated. You just hate the guy, period. To be overrated he actually has to be considered something. For one, there were absolutely times when he was an elite goalie and more. But bottom line, he's a very good starting goalie. Nobody has really said anything more than that. It's even more clear how much you hate him and your judgement is clouded when referencing him not being traded. He didn't get traded because the pens have a great goaltending duo. Murray is hurt right now, what the hell would they do if they didn't have fleury? You need two good goalies. I never even said he should've been the starter at any point this year, they rightfully kept him as the backup.
As far as you, I only flipped out besides the absurd statement, because you make an account on here to do nothing but spew negative nonsense about everything. You clearly hate Pitt and everything else Pittsburgh, then want to claim you are just some expert on everything.
It really just is absolutely hilarious though that you think he is that overrated. I'm seriously not even trying to defend anything about how good or bad he is, it's just that funny you're serious and think anyone should take you serious as well. The guy is not even the most overrated penguin, at his own position! As much as people like fleury, barrasso is equally regarded as being a star goaltender. He was a pretty good goalie, but his career numbers even during that era were nowhere near special.
I truly seriously would not even have looked twice if you said he sucked, they should've traded him years ago, or anything like that. But continuing to say he is the most overrated athlete in Pittsburgh sports history..... you can point out every bad game, season, playoff whatever that he's had, there will still never be a more insanely over exaggerated statement made by anyone on this earth. It is simply a completely false load of bull, because you overreact to everything and personally hate him as a player.
I agree, Marc Andre Fleury, a HALL OF FAME goalie, who will most likely pass Ed Belfour in wins before he retires to become the 3rd winningest goalie in NHL history is the most overrated athlete in Pittsburgh. Is he Roy or Brodeur??? Hell no. Is he in that 2nd tier after the handfull of elite goalies???? Yes.
And game 2 was a pretty simple game for Fleury...they are playing crazy type defense just like last year. As I said before, any NHL goalie can win if they continue to play this style of defense....however expect injuries to pile up if you are blocking this many shots.
We need to make the cbus series a short one.
And game 2 was a pretty simple game for Fleury...they are playing crazy type defense just like last year. As I said before, any NHL goalie can win if they continue to play this style of defense....however expect injuries to pile up if you are blocking this many shots.
We need to make the cbus series a short one.
IMO Fluery has refocused his efforts after being embrassed by a first year goalie last year!
In previous years Fluery's performance had tailed off and he had no one of any quality pushing him.
Now its put up or it could be over for him and the PENs.
Nice to see him at the top level again!
In previous years Fluery's performance had tailed off and he had no one of any quality pushing him.
Now its put up or it could be over for him and the PENs.
Nice to see him at the top level again!
Fleury has been great. What I like to see he has been quiet for the most part in his movements. Meaning he is on his angles, in position and not having to dive and flop for the "fantastic" save that often leads to him being out of position. Oh, and that annoying habit of letting softies in, he hasn't so far. I am comfortable with MAF in there.
I think eventually Murray will be a dominant goalie but right now he is still learning his trade. MAF seems much more focused and calm since the trade deadline. Look, I have posted all the past stuff about MAF's playoff failures, but every year is different. MAF also has won a cup and played fantastic when it was all on the line. So he can do it. He has the pedigree. He is not the "most overrated athlete in Pittsburgh history", but the Fleury defenders have always been a bit over the top.
He is flawed, but he also has serious talent, and maybe this is his time again. Let's just enjoy it. We are up 2-0, he is outplaying "Bob" and the Columbus is on trouble and seriously needs to win Game 3 to have a chance. Unlike in say, Philadelphia, we know this is, or could be, a long ride of ups and downs. So it is best to not go over the top with either.
I think eventually Murray will be a dominant goalie but right now he is still learning his trade. MAF seems much more focused and calm since the trade deadline. Look, I have posted all the past stuff about MAF's playoff failures, but every year is different. MAF also has won a cup and played fantastic when it was all on the line. So he can do it. He has the pedigree. He is not the "most overrated athlete in Pittsburgh history", but the Fleury defenders have always been a bit over the top.
He is flawed, but he also has serious talent, and maybe this is his time again. Let's just enjoy it. We are up 2-0, he is outplaying "Bob" and the Columbus is on trouble and seriously needs to win Game 3 to have a chance. Unlike in say, Philadelphia, we know this is, or could be, a long ride of ups and downs. So it is best to not go over the top with either.
he is considered to be a great goalie by pens fans, and that is why he's overrated
he is by far the most overrated athlete in pittsburgh sports history and your defense of him just makes me believe even more that it's true, i can tell you are just fuming with anger that i would dare call him overrated
name the more overrated pittsburgh athletes, i bet none of them were as beloved for being so mediocre, i bet none of them caused fans to jump up and down with excitement when they weren't traded or released
when was he an elite goalie in his career? show me the numbers, he was never a vezina finalist let alone a vezina winner, i think his best finish was 7th, pretty bad for a number 1 overall pick taken over many future hall of famers
why is it that every person that isn't overly "postive" about pitt "hates" pitt or anything pittsburhh? grow up the world isn't as perfect as you want it to be and adults don't pretend otherwise, don't like my posts don't read them
his reputation around the league is being a CHOKER, the pens brought in vokoun for the sole reason that he chokes in the playoffs
barrasso is considered a borderline hall of famer and some believe he would make it if he wasn't such a douche, i promise you fleury will never be considered and he's the nicest athlete ever
fleury a hall of famer?
post this on the HF forums, where people across the world live and die by hockey unlike you yinzers that only watch pens games
they will laugh you off the forum
guy never is even nominated for a vezina trophy
known as a playoff choker and weak link
team can't trade him because nobody will even give up a late round pick for him
loses his starting job and the team goes on to win the cup
brought in a goalie because of his playoff choking
and you think that adds up to hall of fame LMAO
What are you even talking about? Fleury has far superior numbers than barrasso ever did. I don't care what barrasso was like in person, I still liked him as a penguin. But he is nowhere near what fleury is. If you're talking about him in the hall of fame, then yes he is undoubtedly
far more overrated than fleury. Even in a time when goalie's numbers weren't typically as good as most goalies today, his numbers were never really better than average. I'm not angry, it's just hilarious the insane opinions you have. And you don't have to be positive about everything, but you literally just made an account so you could come on here and say the most ridiculous things you can think of.
Yeah....I don't get very emotional about this stuff like some guys (ahem), but it's pretty easy to see how the Pen's go about their business differently.
It's also hardly "fan boy logic". The two goalies are pretty different. I think any team is going to adjust based on what they have behind them.
the league talks about barrasso being borderline hall of famer, nobody other than idiots like you think the same of fleury
and yes you are angry, you have liked every post that disagreed with me stop pretending i didn't ruin your easter
Amazing someone could think it is ridiculous MAF be discussed as a possible HOFer, but makes total sense for Barrasso. Neither one should be in the HOF, but both are on the fringe of candidacy where discussion of it is legitimate.
Fleury's numbers blow barrasso's out of the water though. I realize it was a much different time in the NHL, but you keep talking about stats, until they disagree with you. I'm not personally saying fleury is a hall of famer, at one point he looked to be ON TRACK for that, but losing his starting job is gonna make that a much tougher task to accomplish and quite frankly I no longer think he makes it. And I think barrasso was a really good goalie who made the clutch saves when he had to, I'm just simply pointing out fleury's career numbers are much better.
I am a Fleury critic. You haven't been around here, but I used to bring up how poor MAF's 2010, 2012 and 2013 playoffs were. I know that. I know they weren't merely just average, they were horrible. But that being said, he also was great in 2008 and 2009, and the last 2 Rangers series losses weren't really his fault. I do acknowledge as far as "overrated", maybe he is a bit. And yeah, the Fleury fanboys in the local media sometimes annoy me. But you have an over the top hatred of him. Like Del with Ben Roethlisberger.
You can't even think about Barrasso and the HOF and not consider Fluery. Barrasso lost that Isles series in 1993. That was a dynasty. He lost the Florida Panther series, being outplayed by John VanBiesbrouck. So you can't excuse Barrasso for all his shortcomings and not excuse Fleury for any of his.
i'm not arguing barrasso for the hall, i'm telling you many around hockey think he should be in the hall
look at his records and stats, tell me how this is unworthy of the hall and how fleury is worthy, how does he even compare?
- 1984 - Calder Trophy (Top rookie in NHL)
- 1984 - Vezina Trophy (Top goaltender in NHL)
- 1984 - NHL First All-Star Team
- 1985 - NHL Second All-Star Team
- 1985 - William M. Jennings Trophy (Team with fewest goals allowed - shared with Bob Sauve)
- 1985 - Played in NHL All-Star Game
- 1991 - Stanley Cup champion (Pittsburgh Penguins)
- 1992 - Stanley Cup champion (Pittsburgh Penguins)
- 1993 - NHL Second All-Star Team
- #17 all time in Wins in regular season with (369).
- #9 all time in Saves with (22090) in regular season career.
- #13 all time in Playoff Wins with (61).
- 2002 - Olympic ice hockey silver medalist (Team USA)
- 2007 - Inducted into the National Italian American Sports Hall of Fame
- 2009 - Inducted into the U.S. Hockey Hall of Fame
- 2015 - Coppa Italia champion (Hockey Club Valpellice)
he has some records too
- Most NHL assists by a goaltender (career) - 48[3]
- Most NHL points by a goaltender (career) - 48
- Most consecutive NHL playoff wins - 14 (May 9, 1992 to April 22, 1993)
- Shares record for most consecutive wins in one NHL playoff season - 11 in 1992
- Shares record for most wins in one NHL playoff season - 16 (1992)
- 2nd most wins by a US born Goaltender (369)
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he was good in 2008, average in 2009
both were a long time ago, no the rangers losses weren't his fault but he didn't exactly stand on his head either he was decent not anything special, when you have to mention "not his fault" it's clear even you know he wasn't anything special
93 was a major loss, that's one series and no it doesn't compare to fleury's play against the flyers, that was maybe the most infamous performace by a goalie ever
the panthers clutched and grabbed to beat the pens
post up fleury's career resume and individual rewards comparable to barrasso, what you call over the top hatred i call a realistic view of his career
Pens fans should just ignore the first periods of these games. 4 straight wretched first periods from start to end. Total 180s in the 2nd in each...hopefully tonight too.
it's a shame to lose a playoff game when you score 4 goals
he has been in the league since 2003 why can't he handle a friggin rebound by now?
he has been in the league since 2003 why can't he handle a friggin rebound by now?
Well said, that was all I was pointing too as well. Fleury and barrasso are both fringe hall of fame guys that just don't quite make the cut. Fleury has better numbers, when you get down to it they both benefited from playing with some of the game's best players. The only reason I can't say fleury is overrated is because there's nobody out there claiming he is one of the best goalies ever or anything, just that he's really good. Again I don't think fleury is a hall of famer, but he has better numbers than barrasso and both of them really only have a bunch of wins to show in their career and not very many great statistical seasons.
I actually like Fleury better than Murray (though i certainly tip the cap to Murray for last season's playoffs). Even before Murray's injury, was glad they kept Fleury.
But man, Fleury is really poor handling the puck. Not that it's a huge part of the game but it is glaring.
But man, Fleury is really poor handling the puck. Not that it's a huge part of the game but it is glaring.
Barrasso had one great rookie year, which filled his trophy case. Fleury is going to end up blowing him away in wins (he already has more) and probably saves (despite the difference in league play). He will likely eclipse him in playoff wins. Heck, he may do that this season. Fleury has a gold medal. Fleury has been a two time Cup Champion and All Star. So, I guess the big difference is that Fleury is French Canadian, so he can't get into the Italian American or US Hockey Hall of Fames. Of course, if he would qualify for those he would undoubtedly get in.
It is actually hilarious you bring up several things (including wins and "most wins in one NHL playoff season") where Fleury has already passed him, is tied, or will break his numbers.
Both of them were/are really good goaltenders. Neither are close to definite HOFers. Either has a case for candidacy to be discussed. Barrasso fell off a cliff in his age 33 season. That is next year for MAF. We shall see what happens for him.
So, at this point:
All Stars: 3 for Barrasso; 2 for Fleury
Stanley Cups: 2 for Barrasso; 2 for Fleury
Wins: More for Fleury and gap likely to grow considerably (country of origin means absolutely nothing)
Playoff Wins: Fleury has 5 less (could easily eclipse that in May)
Olympic medal: Gold for Fleury; Silver for Barrasso (neither was a contributor)
Fluery technically has 2 cups. Tough to argue that case though.
Heck, Mike Warren has a Stanley Cup ring.
And it is tough to argue either of them earned Olympic medals, but I am just responding to Bradly. He also championed Barrasso being a US and Italian American HOFer and 2nd in wins among US born Goalies, as if those things mattered.
And I bet MAF is NEVER even considered for induction!!Italian American hall of famer is a big deal. Let's not kid ourselves.
And in addition don't forget the Boston series when he couldn't score any goals.
Another one to add for Fleury:
Most saves in a regulation playoff game: 49 (4/20/2017; in elimination game)
Stopped 49 shots in game 5, maybe 2 other goalies in the league stops the shots he did. The Pens are moving on because of MAF. This D sucks and MAF stood on his head to win that game..
Maybe hes not in because of the long range goals he gave up in the Islander series when the Pens were overwhelming favorites to win.
so is yours, you wanted to bench murray during the playoff run last year
how did that work out again?
win are a team stat and he's been starting in the league since 2003, so yeah he has a lot of wins
gold medal? i'm guessing you don't remember the medal ceremony where fleury was standing on the ice in shoes, pants, and a tshirt
2 time cup champ? again though he was actually dressed for that, he won that cup as much as you or i did
you want to compare that to barassos's records or did you just read fleury's wikipedia page without actually knowing what you are talking about?
you didn't notice barasso has a vezina which goes to the best goalie in the league, you didn't notice he finished 2nd another year, instead you notice the italian american award? at this point no he would not get into the french canadien hall of fame
he is not well respected outside of pittsburgh though he could change that this season
i copy and pasted his resume but hey focus on that instead of the vezina and runner up finish all you want
he played one game when vokoun played bad, gave up a goal on the very first shot he faced
let me guess, he was rusty right? funny how vokoun went several weeks without playing against the islanders and shut them out when he replaced fleury
pens lost one of those games 2 - 1 in OT and the other 1 - 0, so vokoun wasn't that bad for a team that scored 2 goals the entire series
great game
i'm sure he appreciates all your support, though he probably doesn't know nor care you exist
well if one series is the difference i imagine fleury has no chance with all the series he blew
I guess you listing wins (Fleury has more) for Barrasso was a mistake then? I guess you listing an Olympic silver (Fleury has a gold) medal for Barrasso was a mistake then?
It seems to me you want to make arguments for one of these players and not acknowledge the contradictions.
Who cares if he would get in the French Canadian HOF? Who cares that Barrasso is in the Italian American HOF? If Fleury was Italian American, he would obviously be in. It is completely irrelevant.
I don't even think he is a HOFer, at this point, but your argument for Barrasso clearly being ahead of him and the evidence you sight for that is ridiculous.
barrasso was named the best goalie in the league once, 2nd best once, two cups where he was actually the goalie both times, rookie of the year too
i honestly don't know if barasso played in the olympics and earned that silver, don't care either way his medal was earned as much as fleury's because i know fleury didn't play
again focus on the italian hall of fame to prove your point all you want, barasso had the better career
Your last statement maybe true (I listen to NHL radio on Sirius XM also and travel up north) but I can tell you a few teams right now, especially the Calgary Flames who are regretting not trading for MAF.
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