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OT: For Those Who Saw Endgame

I hate when a certain ability is brought into a universe. Ironically you can't take it back.
 
I loved everything except for the part on Vormir. Massive, massive plot hole.
 
Got to see it at the premiere last night. Definitely was the best super hero/action movie I’ve seen and could make a run for one of the better movies I’ve seen in general.

Just an amazing job of tying everything together and was great at combining emotion and action together. You had no idea what was coming, great job at creating expense.

It was just like nothing I’ve ever seen. Really incredinle finish to a great saga. Also, night was even better discovering the Steelers traded up for Devin Bush. :)
 
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I loved everything except for the part on Vormir. Massive, massive plot hole.

I knew that was going to be a problem and I was wondering how they were going to fix it. It was obvious what was going to happen but there was no way to not make it into a plot hole
 
I thought it was perfect. One of the best movies I’ve ever seen. It tied emotions with action, the humor in it wasn’t over done. And I thought the plot as a whole was great. Yea they figured out to time travel too easily. I also thought the whole they left with Cap was interesting. But I thought that was the best way to send him out
 
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I knew that was going to be a problem and I was wondering how they were going to fix it. It was obvious what was going to happen but there was no way to not make it into a plot hole
There really was only one way, and I dont think they had the balls to do it. Pepper Potts. I dont think Disney/Marvel had it in them to do it.

The way they did end up doing it just makes 0 sense. She wasnt the one he loved most, and even more specifically, he did not sacrifice her. Literally breaking both ofthe 2 rules of the soulstone.
 
I thought it was perfect. One of the best movies I’ve ever seen. It tied emotions with action, the humor in it wasn’t over done. And I thought the plot as a whole was great. Yea they figured out to time travel too easily. I also thought the whole they left with Cap was interesting. But I thought that was the best way to send him out
I dont consider it a plot hole, but I kinda wished they spent at least some freaking time on him replacing the stones. You could almost have an entire movie out of literally just that.
 
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There really was only one way, and I dont think they had the balls to do it. Pepper Potts. I dont think Disney/Marvel had it in them to do it.

The way they did end up doing it just makes 0 sense. She wasnt the one he loved most, and even more specifically, he did not sacrifice her. Literally breaking both ofthe 2 rules of the soulstone.

I agree with that. But They needed to send Tony out and they weren’t going to leave the little girl parentless. But again I get it.

It was just weird. That was one mistake they made
 
I dont consider it a plot hole, but I kinda wished they spent at least some freaking time on him replacing the stones. You could almost have an entire movie out of literally just that.

I mean it defies the law of some travel they set up. Him living a life with Peggy defies the life Peggy lived
 
Pretty obviously referring to the time travel.
It was pretty obvious for a long time that the movie was going to be a time travel movie, which I’ve never been a fan of.
 
I mean it defies the law of some travel they set up. Him living a life with Peggy defies the life Peggy lived
The problem is the only ramifications for time travel they laid out were specifically if the stones weren't replace exactly at the same point they were taken. Otherwise yeah, that would be. It's kind of a super easy out, but at least they stuck to that rule.

It's just a really convoluted hole they had to dig.
 
It was pretty obvious for a long time that the movie was going to be a time travel movie, which I’ve never been a fan of.
Yeah, it's just too convoluted, and essentially every single thing moving forward its "just go back in time, idiots".

That's why they decided to change up the traditional time travel rules and make the only thing you can actually "change" is dependent on the stones. It's a cop out, but they dont have a choice if they want there to be any suspense at all moving forward.
 
Boy is it absolutely killing it at the box office. 60 Million on Thursday alone. There probably going to break even by the end of the weekend and everything after that will be pure profit
 
She married someone that Steve saved from the the Hydra barracks in Captain America: The first Avenger. Its been speculated to who that was but she married someone he saved
Right

But that’s not 100% confirmed though at least that’s my understanding of it.

It’s always been a bit of a mystery
 
I just wanna say to I just saw this video and no matter how many “ Wows” and “ whoooo what a burn wowwees” this dude comes up with I’m not buying this massive sideshow he’s implying...it’s pretty ridiculous

This dude who made this video looks to me like he just doesn’t like Brie Larson and is imagining and blowing up slights and “burns” etc... dude if you don’t like the actress say so and move on ...

It looks pretty pathetic to me to be honest who has time to make videos of imaginary slights?

Jesus watch the movies and their portrayal of characters... this who doesn’t like who stuff is literally Mickey Mouse crap

 
I just wanna say to I just saw this video and no matter how many “ Wows” and “ whoooo what a burn wowwees” this dude comes up with I’m not buying this massive sideshow he’s implying...it’s pretty ridiculous

This dude who made this video looks to me like he just doesn’t like Brie Larson and is imagining and blowing up slights and “burns” etc... dude if you don’t like the actress say so and move on ...

It looks pretty pathetic to me to be honest who has time to make videos of imaginary slights?

Jesus watch the movies and their portrayal of characters... this who doesn’t like who stuff is literally Mickey Mouse crap

The guy in the video isn’t the only one. There’s plenty of available stuff to read regarding Larson as a potentially unlikable person. And while I found Renner’s shade that he threw at her funny, it was unprofessional the way he acted toward a coworker publically.
 
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I still say this is some BS white boy overreaction to supposed diversity characters... and I say it as a white man (used to be boy)....

Never mind the fact Carol Danvers has in fact always been a woman...(?!?)

Some like with the Ghostbusters situation are getting pissed off over nothing and looking deep for flaws. You could almost make an argument for GB .. it’s a stupid argument... but an argument nonetheless...mind you but the original creation was dudes ...so...

But as stated Danvers Captain Marvel has always been a female character.

Seeing all this history my guess is Larson makes a remark about wanting to see press Corp consisting of more than 40 yr old dudes... knowing how GB went and how much press was devoted to Wonder Woman ( shock!! gasp!!! a woman lead?!?) again never mind that WW goes back to World War 2...

And Reddit users ...still not over GB decided to pounce...

I can’t see how any secure male could have been offended by Larsons comments in the first place???
 
I still say this is some BS white boy overreaction to supposed diversity characters... and I say it as a white man (used to be boy)....

Never mind the fact Carol Danvers has in fact always been a woman...(?!?)

Some like with the Ghostbusters situation are getting pissed off over nothing and looking deep for flaws. You could almost make an argument for GB .. it’s a stupid argument... but an argument nonetheless...mind you but the original creation was dudes ...so...

But as stated Danvers Captain Marvel has always been a female character.

Seeing all this history my guess is Larson makes a remark about wanting to see press Corp consisting of more than 40 yr old dudes... knowing how GB went and how much press was devoted to Wonder Woman ( shock!! gasp!!! a woman lead?!?) again never mind that WW goes back to World War 2...

And Reddit users ...still not over GB decided to pounce...

I can’t see how any secure male could have been offended by Larsons comments in the first place???
Who knows.

There are strange people out there. Surely there are toolbags that get offended by a strong woman I suppose. But I can’t imagine 99% of people really care.

But what people find annoying, myself included, is Hollywood using their pulpit to push agendas. Larson feels it’s her duty to use her celebrity to push an agenda. Renner, literally sitting right beside her, essentially said it’s not their job to do it and he chooses not to. Because I agree with him, I thought it was funny. But on the other hand I thought it was bush of him to act the way he did. Larson looked angry in many of the interviews I saw too.

But none of this affects my feelings on a film. I’ve known that guys like ruffalo and Evans are essentially political activists. It is what it is. I enjoy their work.

Speaking of strong women, I love Wanda. Hope we see more of her moving forward.
 
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There really was only one way, and I dont think they had the balls to do it. Pepper Potts. I dont think Disney/Marvel had it in them to do it.

The way they did end up doing it just makes 0 sense. She wasnt the one he loved most, and even more specifically, he did not sacrifice her. Literally breaking both ofthe 2 rules of the soulstone.
Again, maybe I’m missing something? It’s entirely possible as I felt the film was complicated with all the time travel. But why have Hawk go there with her? Why not Have Banner go and have him sacrifice her? Wouldn’t that make more sense?
 
Who knows.

There are strange people out there. Surely there are toolbags that get offended by a strong woman I suppose. But I can’t imagine 99% of people really care.

But what people find annoying, myself included, is Hollywood using their pulpit to push agendas. Larson feels it’s her duty to use her celebrity to push an agenda. Renner, literally sitting right beside her, essentially said it’s not their job to do it and he chooses not to. Because I agree with him, I thought it was funny. But on the other hand I thought it was bush of him to act the way he did. Larson looked angry in many of the interviews I saw too.

But none of this affects my feelings on a film. I’ve known that guys like ruffalo and Evans are essentially political activists. It is what it is. I enjoy their work.

Speaking of strong women, I love Wanda. Hope we see more of her moving forward.
True dat she was pretty badass for sure
 
True dat she was pretty badass for sure
She is. And sexy. One of the more powerful avengers for sure. I loved the scene in Infinity war when she came onto the battlefield and the Lupita Nyong'o character was in shock after witnessing her powers. It was one of those signature comic relief moments that I’ve enjoyed about these films.
 
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Again, maybe I’m missing something? It’s entirely possible as I felt the film was complicated with all the time travel. But why have Hawk go there with her? Why not Have Banner go and have him sacrifice her? Wouldn’t that make more sense?
Yeah it would make more sense. I mean, they clearly went thru the effort to show how distraught Barton was over the loss of his family, to sort of miminimize that was just odd.
 
Just back.

These are my off the cuff thoughts: I liked the movie but didn't "love" the movie. Maybe I need to let it sink in? I will say the 3 hours moved along quickly. Agree that time travel was the only way this could have wrapped up.

The ending was very, very sweet. We also liked the fact that at Iron Man's funeral they brought the kid back from Iron Man 3. It was a nice touch.

I don't want this come off as salacious, but I'm pretty sure they are setting up Captain Marvel's character as being a lesbian. Makes zero difference to me, but I hope they just come out with it. I thought that was the undertone in Captain Marvel and I feel even more strongly about it after Avengers.

Other than that, one thing that jumped out at us at the end is wouldn't Captain have to be about 100 years old? Or even older? I think the producers just kind of slid by the fact that Peggy had been married to someone else when Captain went to visit her in Winter Soldier.

Kind of missed not having more Nick Fury!
 
Just back.

These are my off the cuff thoughts: I liked the movie but didn't "love" the movie. Maybe I need to let it sink in? I will say the 3 hours moved along quickly. Agree that time travel was the only way this could have wrapped up.

The ending was very, very sweet. We also liked the fact that at Iron Man's funeral they brought the kid back from Iron Man 3. It was a nice touch.

I don't want this come off as salacious, but I'm pretty sure they are setting up Captain Marvel's character as being a lesbian. Makes zero difference to me, but I hope they just come out with it. I thought that was the undertone in Captain Marvel and I feel even more strongly about it after Avengers.

Other than that, one thing that jumped out at us at the end is wouldn't Captain have to be about 100 years old? Or even older? I think the producers just kind of slid by the fact that Peggy had been married to someone else when Captain went to visit her in Winter Soldier.

Kind of missed not having more Nick Fury!

I agree on the Carol Danvers idea ( EDIT- also Valkyrie we know already is) and there’s others already out there in Marvel currently (in the books) .

And THAT is the likely true reason for all the trolling that caused Rotten Tomatoes to institute new rules on reviews in addition to what I said about these obsessed dudes who did the same thing with Ghost Busters and to a lesser extent Wonder Woman

Fans of Alien might recall the earliest versions of the screenplay didn’t even call for ANY woman let alone the lead ... of course that was changed

I can’t imagine a storyline of the original Alien without Ripley kicking butt
 
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I agree on the Carol Danvers idea ( EDIT- also Valkyrie we know already is) and there’s others already out there in Marvel currently (in the books) .

And THAT is the likely true reason for all the trolling that caused Rotten Tomatoes to institute new rules on reviews in addition to what I said about these obsessed dudes who did the same thing with Ghost Busters and to a lesser extent Wonder Woman

Fans of Alien might recall the earliest versions of the screenplay didn’t even call for ANY woman let alone the lead ... of course that was changed

I can’t imagine a storyline of the original Alien without Ripley kicking butt
I wasn’t a fan of the Valkyrie character in Ragnorak. I’m not sure I even picked up on the lesbian angle, but it was more due to her stumbling around and passing out due to her alcoholism. Not sure why the fascination with giving Asgardians a disposition to being an alcoholic (also Thor in Endgame).
 
I wasn’t a fan of the Valkyrie character in Ragnorak. I’m not sure I even picked up on the lesbian angle, but it was more due to her stumbling around and passing out due to her alcoholism. Not sure why the fascination with giving Asgardians a disposition to being an alcoholic (also Thor in Endgame).
I think it’s probably got something to do with the Nordic Viking origins of the gods they believed in...

Those people were tough, were warriors and could drink etc...almost Game of Thrones like...

Just a guess

I thought she was funny as hell in certain scenes I later heard they cut a scene that clearly showed her character to be as in the books a lesbian. It was also good to see her clean up her act though too with the drinking in Ragnarok
 
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So where does everyone think Gamora ran off to after the Stark snap? I think it’s great that we will be seeing more of Thor as an Asgardian of the Galaxy, and maybe we will see more run-ins with his brother Loki.

Speaking of Loki, does the guy have nine lives? Maybe he’s the cat from Captain Marvel. Geez.
 
I agree on the Carol Danvers idea ( EDIT- also Valkyrie we know already is) and there’s others already out there in Marvel currently (in the books) .

And THAT is the likely true reason for all the trolling that caused Rotten Tomatoes to institute new rules on reviews in addition to what I said about these obsessed dudes who did the same thing with Ghost Busters and to a lesser extent Wonder Woman

Fans of Alien might recall the earliest versions of the screenplay didn’t even call for ANY woman let alone the lead ... of course that was changed

I can’t imagine a storyline of the original Alien without Ripley kicking butt
I did not know that about Valkyrie. I do know the actor who portrays her, Tessa Thompson, is bisexual in real life. Interesting.

Inclusion is a good thing and I hope no one makes a big deal out of this.
 
I did not know that about Valkyrie. I do know the actor who portrays her, Tessa Thompson, is gay in real life. Interesting.

Inclusion is a good thing and I hope no one makes a big deal out of this.
I noticed the kitten cut that Danvers had. I didn’t think gay, I just didn’t think about it at all with all the confusing time travel going on. I just figured she picked up an 80’s hair style somewhere in her journeys. But then again, she wasn’t the one doing the time traveling.
 
I did not know that about Valkyrie. I do know the actor who portrays her, Tessa Thompson, is bisexual in real life. Interesting.

Inclusion is a good thing and I hope no one makes a big deal out of this.
Valkyrie in the comics is Bisexual as well.

the Carol Danvers Captain Marvel is straight, however the romantic side of her character isn't really a major part. She sort of had a thing for Mar-Vel, who in the comics was a man (played by Annette Benning in the movie), but ultimately there isnt a notable romantic plot to her stories for the most part.

They could certainly make a change from the comics, but I actually don't expect it. I would say she is likely to just be sort of what she is in the comics, and thats just not really romantically linked at all.
 
I noticed the kitten cut that Danvers had. I didn’t think gay, I just didn’t think about it at all with all the confusing time travel going on. I just figured she picked up an 80’s hair style somewhere in her journeys. But then again, she wasn’t the one doing the time traveling.
The hair cut in Endgame mirrors the current hair style of Danvers in the comics. I would say thats why they went that route.
 
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Just back.

These are my off the cuff thoughts: I liked the movie but didn't "love" the movie. Maybe I need to let it sink in? I will say the 3 hours moved along quickly. Agree that time travel was the only way this could have wrapped up.

The ending was very, very sweet. We also liked the fact that at Iron Man's funeral they brought the kid back from Iron Man 3. It was a nice touch.

I don't want this come off as salacious, but I'm pretty sure they are setting up Captain Marvel's character as being a lesbian. Makes zero difference to me, but I hope they just come out with it. I thought that was the undertone in Captain Marvel and I feel even more strongly about it after Avengers.

Other than that, one thing that jumped out at us at the end is wouldn't Captain have to be about 100 years old? Or even older? I think the producers just kind of slid by the fact that Peggy had been married to someone else when Captain went to visit her in Winter Soldier.

Kind of missed not having more Nick Fury!
I’m with you on the like, no love, feeling. I have a game I’m watching at 11:30 and then taking the family back again to see it a 2nd time. I’m sure I’ll like it more this time. The movie had a ton of expectations placed on it by all of us because of its overall significance. That’s probably why we weren’t thrilled with it. We expected too much. And frankly, Infinity War was so well done, that topping that would be really tough.
 
Yeah it would make more sense. I mean, they clearly went thru the effort to show how distraught Barton was over the loss of his family, to sort of miminimize that was just odd.
I quit reading the comic books long before Black Widow showed up so maybe I missed stuff in the published history. But, there was always a strong emotional undertone/history between Natasha and Barton. I was surprised when Barton semi-retired and was shown as married with children.

There was no romantic relationship in the movies between the Black Widow and Hulk. She was just the "Hulk-whisperer" who could "sooth the savage beast" when he was out of control.

In fact, she had virtually the same effect in bringing Barton back from executing the Yakuza.
 
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