OT: GOT-The Iron Throne (Predictions)

[lilspainishflea]

In the books Euron had a horn that could control or at least disrupt dragons. The insanely accurate Scorpions (railguns) I think are just a plot device just dumbing down the story instead of wasting time adding another supernatural layer.

The Battle of Winterfell was a spectacular fail, designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator. If Emilia Clark's Episode 5 comments are correct, Sunday night sounds like another spectacle.

I worry we're already seeing the hand of Netflix dumbing down the HBO quality, seeking monster ratings but mediocre writing/film-making.

HBO is going to be furious. They're planning spin-offs/prequels, etc. They can't be happy that a large portion of their fanbase is furious and absolutely ready for this thing to end. Hell, I was happy today when I learned there were only 2 more episodes instead of 3 because I can't take anymore and I've ready every book, novella, hardcover, etc. available. If you're losing people like me, you're in trouble.

 

[Harve74]

HBO is going to be furious. They're planning spin-offs/prequels, etc. They can't be happy that a large portion of their fanbase is furious and absolutely ready for this thing to end. Hell, I was happy today when I learned there were only 2 more episodes instead of 3 because I can't take anymore and I've ready every book, novella, hardcover, etc. available. If you're losing people like me, you're in trouble.

When the guy who came over to HBO from Netflix had his first big meeting, the HBO staff was bragging on their big ticket shows like GOT, the Soprsnos, etc.

Supposedly, the guy said, "Winning one hour Sunday night is nice. But, we want you to win every hour, every night, and make money doing it. "

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

I'm more in the disappointing than ruined group but don't expect anything shocking to finish. The first episode this year pretty much spelled it out. I'm guessing probably Sansa or they pick up Bran and put him in throne.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

The writers have gotten cheap or lazy. Or BOTH.

Well of course a large part of that is that for most of the past seven seasons they had someone else's writing to base their stories on. And now, sure, Martin has given them the general outlines of where he is going in his long, seemingly never-ending quest to actually finish something, but it's a lot easier to write for television when all you have to do is adapt someone else's story. It's a whole different thing to be, for the most part, writing all this from scratch.

That's why, for instance, there are separate Oscars for Best Adapted Screenplay and Best Original Screenplay. It's a lot harder to do the whole thing from scratch than to fit someone else's story into a script.

 

[Harve74]

Well of course a large part of that is that for most of the past seven seasons they had someone else's writing to base their stories on. And now, sure, Martin has given them the general outlines of where he is going in his long, seemingly never-ending quest to actually finish something, but it's a lot easier to write for television when all you have to do is adapt someone else's story. It's a whole different thing to be, for the most part, writing all this from scratch.

That's why, for instance, there are separate Oscars for Best Adapted Screenplay and Best Original Screenplay. It's a lot harder to do the whole thing from scratch than to fit someone else's story into a script.

I remarked earlier in this thread or maybe in one about the prior episode that GRRM was negligent in not keeping ahead with his books. He had about 7 years to write two books.

The Winds of Winter has been delayed at least twice. And still isn't done. The Promise of Spring, I think it is still is to come. I thinkI read he's making about $25MM / year from HBO. My concern is the series never gets finished.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

My concern is the series never gets finished.

I was talking to some people about the books before the show got started back up, and one of the guys said to me you're worried that your going to die before you get to read the last book. And my response was no, I was worried that HE was going to die before I got a chance to read the last book.

I have to think at this point that he already has a "replacement writer" ready to step in and finish it if he doesn't make it. Like Robert Jordan did with the Wheel of Time books in having Brandon Sanderson ready to step in to finish the series when Jordan passed.

 

[Harve74]

I was talking to some people about the books before the show got started back up, and one of the guys said to me you're worried that your going to die before you get to read the last book. And my response was no, I was worried that HE was going to die before I got a chance to read the last book.

I have to think at this point that he already has a "replacement writer" ready to step in and finish it if he doesn't make it. Like Robert Jordan did with the Wheel of Time books in having Brandon Sanderson ready to step in to finish the series when Jordan passed.

Probably true, but the problem just becomes that instead of the tale being finished by some HBO writers, it's probably some obscure Fantasy writer.

I've been rereading the books to refresh my memory and I had forgotten how far afield the HBO scriptwriters had ventured. Huge plot elements and important characters have disappeared.

At this point, I'm unsure I WANT to know how Martin wanted to finish.

 

[Jakey_John]

When you compare the on screen product to the book(s) the text is almost always better. Artistic license comes into play and I’m some cases they are minuscule and others they have major consequences on the finished product.

IMO The Shinning with Jack Nicholson is awful. It did not parallel the book nearly enough. On the other hand, while not entirely true to the original story Stand By Me was excellent.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

When you compare the on screen product to the book(s) the text is almost always better. Artistic license comes into play and I’m some cases they are minuscule and others they have major consequences on the finished product.

IMO The Shinning with Jack Nicholson is awful. It did not parallel the book nearly enough. On the other hand, while not entirely true to the original story Stand By Me was excellent.

There was a TV movie version of The Stand that was far truer to the original. The Nicholson version was OK but definitely a let down after the book. There have been a few good adaptations of his books but far more mediocre ones.

 

[Purdue_Panther]

I got Sansa on the Iron throne with Tyrion her hand and Brienne and head of the kings guard with Jon reforming the nights watch.

I also think the last scenes are Brienne filling in Jamie’s pages in the kings guard while Sam writes the song of ice and fire.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

I got Sansa on the Iron throne with Tyrion her hand and Brienne and head of the kings guard with Jon reforming the nights watch.

I also think the last scenes are Brienne filling in Jamie’s pages in the kings guard while Sam writes the song of ice and fire.

I think this is the right take

 

[Ski11585]

I got Sansa on the Iron throne with Tyrion her hand and Brienne and head of the kings guard with Jon reforming the nights watch.

I also think the last scenes are Brienne filling in Jamie’s pages in the kings guard while Sam writes the song of ice and fire.

I think this is the right take

What purpose would a new Night’s Watch serve?

Side comment - Cersi and Gilly got pregnant at roughly the same time, so why is one showing and the other not at all? Unless the pregnancy has been a lie the entire time.

 

[Purdue_Panther]

I think we find out there is some threat from the north still or they decide to rebuild the wall for some reason. Not sure exactly the reason but mostly due to the foreshadowing from Jon and Tormunds interaction last week.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

What purpose would a new Night’s Watch serve?

Side comment - Cersi and Gilly got pregnant at roughly the same time, so why is one showing and the other not at all? Unless the pregnancy has been a lie the entire time.

Of course it’s a lie
It’s a manipulation to use the iron fleet

The nights watch protects the entire north -
Not just the wall.
Tormund as the general to keep the wildlings united under Jon

 

[Fk_Pitt]

I got Sansa on the Iron throne with Tyrion her hand and Brienne and head of the kings guard with Jon reforming the nights watch.

I also think the last scenes are Brienne filling in Jamie’s pages in the kings guard while Sam writes the song of ice and fire.

I think that’s well thought out and crafted well. Under this scenario, Jamie likely fulfills the prophecy and kills his older sister (which is my prediction for tonight). I also think that the threat from north of the wall will remain. How this happens remains to be seen. Maybe somehow related to Bran.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Cersei and the Mountain deserve to die and they will , Varys will die for treason . Jamie is my pick for killing Cersei . Thanos will then appear with all the stones and kill everyone !

Can’t understand why anyone whose been watching not enjoying the ride , it’s been great .

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

I think that’s well thought out and crafted well. Under this scenario, Jamie likely fulfills the prophecy and kills his older sister (which is my prediction for tonight). I also think that the threat from north of the wall will remain. How this happens remains to be seen. Maybe somehow related to Bran.

Bran the builder fulfills his destiny to protect the realm

 

[Fk_Pitt]

Bran the builder fulfills his destiny to protect the realm

What does that mean I did not read the book? Will he rebuild the wall?

 

[Fk_Pitt]

Cersei and the Mountain deserve to die and they will , Varys will die for treason . Jamie is my pick for killing Cersei . Thanos will then appear with all the stones and kill everyone !

Can’t understand why anyone whose been watching not enjoying the ride , it’s been great .

The mountain and the hound battle. Both die. Arya gets involved and contributes to ones demise. Are both on her list?

 

[Fsgolfdr]

The mountain and the hound battle. Both die. Arya gets involved and contributes to ones demise. Are both on her list?

Her list has been modified .

 

[Ski11585]

I read some spoilers that I really, really hope aren’t true because I think even non-hate watchers would be disappointed.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

What does that mean I did not read the book? Will he rebuild the wall?

I dunno- just feel he needs a big role.


Final prediction-

The song of fire and ice-
John is the fire and Sansa is the ice= peace to the 7 kingdoms

 

[Fk_Pitt]

Well I know it’s been cool and fashionable to bash the show runners, but I’m one who really liked season 7. But this season is a letdown. Cool episode 5 in some ways, but the way they completed some of these character arcs simply did nothing for me.

Is it too late for Disney to fire these guys from the next Star Wars trilogy?

 

[mbe 34]

Well I know it’s been cool and fashionable to bash the show runners, but I’m one who really liked season 7. But this season is a letdown. Cool episode 5 in some ways, but the way they completed some of these character arcs simply did nothing for me.

Is it too late to for Disney to fire these guys from the next Star Wars trilogy?

I was disappointed in this episode as well.
We already had the big battle on episode 3.
Wanted to see some political intrigue. Better story.
All the fire, murder, rape - same old same old.

So the Scorpions recorded 3 hits on the dragon last week?
Couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn this week - and they even had the ones mounted on the walls?
Holy smokes.

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

Mostly pissed off at this one-

• Dragon avoids all this time, ok, but why? Give us something.
• Iron fleet creepy guy just happens to be at same spot on beach as Jamie arrives? Come on
• Cersei ending just awful
• Expecting finish to be more well made edge of seat build ups to not much

 

[mike412]

First possible ending: Arya will kill Dany. Jon will kill Drogon. Remember the Red Witch said Arya would close forever the green eyes of a ruler. Cersei had green eyes, but so does Dany.

Second possible ending: Dany on the Iron Throne but North and other areas in open rebellion because of the slaughter at King’s Landing. The people are no better off than they were in Season 1, Episode 1. Dany had it all in her hand for the taking, but went crazy and ruined it.

 

[ratking17]

You guys are under the impression Martin would write a happy ending to his story? I thought last nights episode was great. Yes the storytelling has been weaker since there is no source material, but I am enjoying the end of this series very much so.

 

[Ski11585]

You guys are under the impression Martin would write a happy ending to his story? I thought last nights episode was great. Yes the storytelling has been weaker since there is no source material, but I am enjoying the end of this series very much so.

Martin has always said his ending will be bittersweet. And while it may not be happy, I would at least expect it to make sense and that characterization will stay consistent.

 

[Jakey_John]

You guys are under the impression Martin would write a happy ending to his story? I thought last nights episode was great. Yes the storytelling has been weaker since there is no source material, but I am enjoying the end of this series very much so.

I didn’t like Jaime and Ceseri’s end but I don’t have a problem with anything else. I agree it’s not as profound as previous seasons but I’m still enjoying it. A lot of people are just pissy because their endings aren’t coming true.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

I didn’t like Jaime and Ceseri’s end but I don’t have a problem with anything else. I agree it’s not as profound as previous seasons but I’m still enjoying it. A lot of people are just pissy because their endings aren’t coming true.

Yes their deaths were about as weak as it gets and I understand why people are upset. I thought the highlight of the episode was the fight between the Hound and Mountain. I thought the Hound was going the way of Oberyn for a second, happy to see him finish it off.

 

[Jeffburgh]

It was a mixed back. Agree, fitting his whole character's arc, Euron washing up next to Jamie was farcical, and indicative of writers just trying to wrap up a massively expansive storyline.

I have no problem with Jamie and Cersei unceremoniously ending the way they did - one of the primary storylines is their perverse love for one another, and going down in a whimper together like that was fitting to me.

Hate the turn Danny has taken, but they set it up well, and not just this season, with so many heartbreaks, and then really battering her by losing those so close to her.

The Hound battle was good, and I liked the whole optics of what was happening in the red keep during it, and it was fitting how Qyburn was uncerimoniously killed by Clegan - my little fear was that he was going to somehow get Arya.

Best moment to me was Arya thanking the Hound.

It has been a bit messy trying to wrap it up, VERY FEW series nail the landing, and again, there are so many threads to this series it was near impossible to close it out neatly wo Martin providing the road map.

 

[mike412]

I was disappointed in this episode as well.
We already had the big battle on episode 3.
Wanted to see some political intrigue. Better story.
All the fire, murder, rape - same old same old.

So the Scorpions recorded 3 hits on the dragon last week?
Couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn this week - and they even had the ones mounted on the walls?
Holy smokes.

Actually, Dany used great tactics against them this week. Her first run on the Iron Fleet came from the clouds where they couldn’t see her and Drogon. She moved constantly in and out of range. Every time they changed firing positions, she moved out and came from another position. At one point she went almost straight up to get out of range. Then she came in so low against Euron that the scorpion couldn’t even get low enough to fire.

On the scorpions on the wall, she basically came in from a 90 degree or greater angle. They couldn’t turn to fire.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

You guys are under the impression Martin would write a happy ending to his story? I thought last nights episode was great. Yes the storytelling has been weaker since there is no source material, but I am enjoying the end of this series very much so.

Not me. I’m prepared for there not to be a happy ending but the story telling is just weak these days. The same people who brought us things like Ned Starks death, the red wedding deaths, jeoffreys death (whatever that wedding was called), Ramsay’s death, the red wedding deaths part 2 courtesy of Arya, and Littlefingers death gave us a weak demise of Jamie and Cersei. But I think it was fitting they died together. Speaking of Jamie, didn’t he kill the mad king for the innocent but now says he doesn’t care about innocent lives? I understand his arc always takes him back to Cersei but things just don’t add up to me. And wouldn’t that dragon have been more useful in Winterfell? She didn’t think of doing that? Clegone Bowl was good, and at least you could see what was happening this week.

I guess it’s grotesque that we are unsatisfied with how people die. Lol

 

[Jeffburgh]

Actually, Dany used great tactics against them this week. Her first run on the Iron Fleet came from the clouds where they couldn’t see her and Drogon. She moved constantly in and out of range. Every time they changed firing positions, she moved out and came from another position. At one point she went almost straight up to get out of range. Then she came in so low against Euron that the scorpion couldn’t even get low enough to fire.

On the scorpions on the wall, she basically came in from a 90 degree or greater angle. They couldn’t turn to fire.

That is what I saw, too. Just would have thought she would have been more careful with them all along. Maybe got caught by surprise the first time, but the second time was simply careless.

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

yeah, Euron looking into sun and trying to turn the bulky crossbows was trying to convey some stealthy flying by Dany but it was weak and without any setup. And Cersei deer in headlights in crunch time again kind of weak with little premise. Also Tyrion easily getting past gaurds to Jamie even after direct threat of wrath from Dany a little weak. But still on edge of seat the entire time again.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

I didn’t like Jaime and Ceseri’s end but I don’t have a problem with anything else. I agree it’s not as profound as previous seasons but I’m still enjoying it. A lot of people are just pissy because their endings aren’t coming true.

Me too I wanted someone to take her out .

 

[Fsgolfdr]

I’m not sure many of us expected Danni to lose it as badly as she did and burn Kings Landing down killing all those innocent people . Varys was right .

Sets up next weeks confrontation between the good guys ( Jon Stark and Tyrian ) and the new evil guys ( Danni and her armies ) .

Littlefinger taught Sansa well .

While Jon doesn’t want the crown how can he let Danni have it now ?

Danni was smart she used the sun and angles in destroying the scorpions. They weren’t heat seeking misses after all .

Wanted a more just end to Cersei .

Wanted Jamie to make amends for his bad doings and and help in defeating or killing Cersei.

The Mountain looked like Darth Vader under his helmet .

Even with the knife through his head the Mountain wasn’t going down !

The always cool under control Grey Worm lost it too . Seeing his woman’s head flying was just too much .

From poor Ned’s head , to the Red Wedding , to Jon’s death , to the Night King resurrecting the dragon and burning down the wall always expect the unexpected!

 

[Fk_Pitt]

yeah, Euron looking into sun and trying to turn the bulky crossbows was trying to convey some stealthy flying by Dany but it was weak and without any setup. And Cersei deer in headlights in crunch time again kind of weak with little premise. Also Tyrion easily getting past gaurds to Jamie even after direct threat of wrath from Dany a little weak. But still on edge of seat the entire time again.

Varys death seemed forced. The way he died ended up cool, but no suspense, no swerve, no nothing leading up to the moment.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Varys death seemed forced. The way he died ended up cool, but no suspense, no swerve, no nothing leading up to the moment.

Danni warned him that any sign of his disloyalties he’d be lit up . Which he said he understood.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

Danni warned him that any sign of his disloyalties he’d be lit up . Which he said he understood.

I get it, it was just was void of any drama or suspense. In the end, it wasn’t much different than the Tarly deaths, which is ok for them. But for a borderline major character, I expected something more powerful like with Littlefinger.