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Uhhhh what? Yeah contracts signed by players over 30 for 'market value' that turned out horribly. No idea what you're trying to say?
You don't think the angels regret the pujols signing and cards are thankful he left?
I think somebody's back. .!!!!!
I mean NO Pirate fan expects contracts like that cut the crap......
How'd Ike Davis work out.
I'm confused? I'm not suggesting that it's a good idea, im saying paying players over 30 for long term market value deals are generally a bad idea. I don't have any idea what you're trying to say. I don't know what Ike Davis has to do with this.
Between Nicastro, Voglesong or Neise, they SHOULD have offset Morton, and gained a bit and having Tallon after the Super 2 deadline basically replaces an aged Burnett.
If Cole had continued his rise to elite status, Tallon and Kuhl, along with Ivan Nova might have been enough for another wildcard slot.
No argument that the first 3 bandaid guys above didn't work out. Vogelsong's IR stint wiped his season out. But they lost a ton of player-games with the key position guys I mentioned too. They were not playing post-season caliber position players in several slots that were counted on to carry the team if all had gone well
It's a small-market team and payroll. That's not going to change. It's very possible the 98 wins is the high water mark for a couple years. Or maybe even for a long time. Not many small market teams win 98. The economics of MLB are tough to overcome
Cutch, despite his history, wasn't a $14MM guy last season. A small market team has to make tough decisions and has to get almost all of them right. Dumping salary from bad contracts like the Liriano and Alvarez deals became was smart. (Giving up prospects with Frankie, not so much.) Given Walker blew his back out after the All Star game, that wasn't a bad move either.
They're not going to extend Cutch. So they gamble they can get $28MM out of him on the field before letting him walk for nothing in two seasons , or they try to maximize return now. They have potential replacements available for Cutch of 2016, but probably not for the Cutch of 5 years ago.
That's life in Small Market MLB.
If Cole had continued his rise to elite status, Tallon and Kuhl, along with Ivan Nova might have been enough for another wildcard slot.
No argument that the first 3 bandaid guys above didn't work out. Vogelsong's IR stint wiped his season out. But they lost a ton of player-games with the key position guys I mentioned too. They were not playing post-season caliber position players in several slots that were counted on to carry the team if all had gone well
It's a small-market team and payroll. That's not going to change. It's very possible the 98 wins is the high water mark for a couple years. Or maybe even for a long time. Not many small market teams win 98. The economics of MLB are tough to overcome
Cutch, despite his history, wasn't a $14MM guy last season. A small market team has to make tough decisions and has to get almost all of them right. Dumping salary from bad contracts like the Liriano and Alvarez deals became was smart. (Giving up prospects with Frankie, not so much.) Given Walker blew his back out after the All Star game, that wasn't a bad move either.
They're not going to extend Cutch. So they gamble they can get $28MM out of him on the field before letting him walk for nothing in two seasons , or they try to maximize return now. They have potential replacements available for Cutch of 2016, but probably not for the Cutch of 5 years ago.
That's life in Small Market MLB.
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Sing it, Annie...
The Bucs will be champs...to-morrow!
Nutty says they're building for to-morrow, not today.
To-morrow! To-morrow!
The Series to-morrow!
It's only a year a-wayyyyyy!
The Bucs will be champs...to-morrow!
Nutty says they're building for to-morrow, not today.
To-morrow! To-morrow!
The Series to-morrow!
It's only a year a-wayyyyyy!
Now that you mention it...this is starting to sound vaguely familiar, like an old buddy of ours...the return of Moneybalz!
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How about Kansas City and Cleveland? Is that life in small market MLB?
It's a question of ownership commitment.
Bingo. KC and Cleveland will trade for Cueto or Andrew Miller and give up prospects to do so. Neal Huntingdon refuses to "mortgage the future" and send prospects for rent a players.
But I guess it is OK to trade prospects for nothing more than to someone to take your biggest contract off your hands. Right? It is OK then.
What the Pirates have done is simply indefensible. Anyone trying to defend it other than greed, is an idiot.
How about at the end of the year? You know, when they were close to a title and tried to win one? Did they add significant payroll?
I don't think it's Huntington's fault. At all. In fact, I think he's done a great job given the obvious payroll constraints.
I think it's pretty clear that, as the team has gone from youth to more experience (and greater cost in terms of arbitrations/qualifying offers, etc.), it's gotten more expensive at particular positions--think Jordy, Melancon, Watson, etc., and we simply don't have a payroll budget able to keep up. So we're tossing off expensive pieces of a very good 98 win team as we go, while claiming we're going to remain competitive. It's not going to work.
All anyone needed to know about commitment to winning was after the 2015 season. To go into the next season with that kind of rotation--and given the other off season moves made--the hand writing was on the wall.
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Yes Cutch underperformed. Michael Brantley did not perform at all for the Cleveland Indians and they made it to the tenth inning of Game Seven of the World Series.
And if Austin Meadows will be ready and he is all that and someone must be traded, I would trade Meadows because he could bring that starting pitcher this team definitely needs to contend in 2017.
But Meadows is cheap payroll wise-that's not how Nutsack operates. The Bucs will bring up Meadows before he's ready, try to get him to sign a cheap, long term contract and then give him the heave ho when he reaches his prime....classic Nutsack strategy.
OK, so you would trade Meadows, who MLB rated the 9th best prospect in all of baseball and is 21 years old for a starting pitcher (who would that be that we could afford and be happy with?), over trading away a 30 year old deteriorating CF with a -.7 WAR last year that makes 14 mil? And that said CF can get a top 10 and top 40 prospect in MLB?
I mean, unless you think A. Cutch will have a break out year next year (should say comeback) and B. The Pirates have a legit shot of winning the series next year, then I would have to disagree.
So again, what is your point? The Pirates are trying to win as much as the Indians? You are a tard. You deserve Nutting to come and ram it up your ass until it bleeds.
Bipolarman is that you?
Yes. I would trade Meadows and another prospect or two for a Chris Archer and certainly for Chris Sale.
And don't start quoting WAR like you have any idea what it is
Yes. I would trade Meadows and another prospect or two for a Chris Archer and certainly for Chris Sale.
And don't start quoting WAR like you have any idea what it is
Are you talking to me??
Baseball is my sport, and I'm a six sigma black belt, I know statistics. I'm sure you aren't talking to me, but if you are I would be more than ready to school you.
Ooohhh a douche bag who dated his mom for prom.... Shiver me timbers
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Lefty Nutting can't be spending daddy's money to help his baseball team be more successful on the field. His daughter wants a raise in her allowance and he may want to buy Eight Springs or the Blue Ball Gazette.
Besides, his team is already successful in the only place in matters:
Lefty's bank account.
