Everyone is discussing the possibility of more acquisition in that area, which could end up possibly being big enough for a football centric venue- you get that, right?
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Screw football stadiums, I want more hotels.. Oh and data centers, don't forget about the data centers..
I would personally like to see a Mailboxes, etc. and Blockbuster Video store be added to the mix as well.
It's crazy to think, people perhaps want better tax basis to be friendly to businesses and travellers bringing money into the area all year long- and jobs.
You're right...it pumps up the community to build football stadiums. Which is why the dollars have been just flowing into that.
To be fair though, if Pitt started a fundraising campaign specifically for the purpose of an on-campus stadium, it would most likely be the largest athletic fundraising effort in school history.
We also couldn't sell out a bowl allotment previously. Things change.
don't you dare ruin my utopian image of a hotel chain filled college campus, let me have my dream..
true...
if we do the same next year in a bowl game further than a 6 iron away, i'll believe it.
just when a pitt fan starts to feel good about himself, we can always count on ol soufie to come and piss all over you..
Except as CP explained there is nothing around there available to buy. That parcel will be used for something other than an on campus stadium.
The most pressing need for the football program is endowed scholarships. We're not even close.
Except CP isn't the end all be all and doesn't know for sure. He claims this was years in the making, but I certainly have never seen him mention it when land acquisition for dorms, buildings, etc have been brought up. You and others are lock set against it ever happening. Cool. That doesn't mean it can't. I doubt it does, but understand it could, if Pitt wanted it to happen. Unfortunately, I imagine they will wait until it is too late and the Steelers are looking at options outside of the city for their next stadium in 10 years.
Agreed, but at least most of the land around it is private land. So in the grand scheme of things, any private land is always available. It's just at what price.
What?? Stop it, no one cares about endowed scholarships.. What are you, the chancellor? Why would a fan possibly care about this?
you've lost me.. If a fan is really worried about endowments, I think you have way too much time on your hands.. Speaking of miller lites, it's almost 5pm and nothing is better than a beer that tastes great. Or do I love it because it's less filling?
Actually, if structured correctly, one could drink A LOT of Miller Lite on an endowment.
I never said I was AGAINST it. I am saying it's not happening unless some donor steps forward with $500 million dollars and even then the infrastructure and political obstacles would take years to solve. I respect your opinion but I think it's a non-starter. I have no idea why I let myself get sucked up into these never ending threads. I blame only myself.
stadium threads do suck you in. No idea why, it's not happening yet I fall into it too.
Alabama only has 33 fully endowed football scholarships. Their program must be in dire straights.
So, are you one of the folks who thinks land acquisition and construction would cost $1B for a 45k seat stadium? Unbelievably far fetched that it would hinge on a $500M donation.
Alabama's entire Athletic Department made $33mil in profit (revenue-expenses) last year.. enough they gave money BACK to the college.
Pitt's athletic department ran what, somewhere between $7-$8mil in the red, needed subsidized by the college to exist.
Good point.
It's going to take some time to push the snowball that rolled down hill for 15 years back up to the top though.
National Championship payouts probably help their bottom line a bit too.
most programs are subsidized, all non revenue sports are. If this was about making money, 98% of college athletics would join Duquesne baseball.. fans worrying about endowments, unreal..
Didn't help ours much.
Which is the problem and point of discussion.
Our fans don't ante up.
Certainly they are.
Which is why the endowment of Alabama football wasn't a relevant point. They have a HEALTHY margin on football paying the way for their athletic department.
We don't.
If we aren't going to have healthy margins from football..(which we won't anytime in the reasonably near future)...the next best tactic is reducing expenses. And NOBODY wants to slash Pitt's football budget, right?
So..how else can you reasonably remove those annual expenses from the program, so money can be re-invested into other things..like say...a stadium?)
Hint...endowments.
Not following the first line - my point was SP wasn't the greatest leader. We have to dig out.
Couldn't agree more with you on the second point, but I think that begins to trend the other way soon. Even if it becomes 70% of the donations by 30% of the fan base, or 60%-40%, I think the overall dollars grow sharply.
SP sucked at fundraising.
But I'm looking at decades after decades after decades of evidence...that there won't be some xanadu on the horizon..where Pitt football gets supported like our regional peers from our fanbase.
The point of the first line is we DID win a national championship- and we did have some great teams fora few years...and the dollars didn't flow into the program then, either.
And even when you keep TV equal- like looking among our conference peers who get the same money from TV..
it puts a greater spotlight on our revenue gaps from our fanbase.
And that is entirely the University of Pittsburgh's fault.
You cannot have your primary athletic fundraiser running around giving everyone the finger – proverbially or literally – and then turn around and complain that they are frugal.
Bullshit! Like any other business in a capitalist society, the onus is on the seller, not the buyer/donor.
I'm not sure what was going on there but that man was relieved of his duties 10 years too late. Really, he never should've been brought back the second time. That was a huge mistake and everyone with a brain knew it.
Pederson really hurt us in a lot of ways – principally among them was the cultivation of major donors. That simply didn't happen. Instead, he alienated most of them and we're paying the price now for his idiotic behavior.
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I'm so perplexed as to why you find this to be such an issue. Have you been to a lot of urban campuses? Because they all have lots of hotels because, you know, they're in cities and people need them.
By the way, nastiness aside, no one has still made a great case for why building a stadium in Oakland is an impossibility. Of course it wouldn't be easy but it is absolutely possible.
That's not a prediction that will happen any time in the foreseeable future but it is clearly feasible just like it has been all over the country at a host of universities in similar situations.
That's not a prediction that will happen any time in the foreseeable future but it is clearly feasible just like it has been all over the country at a host of universities in similar situations.
SP didn't suck at fundraising. He is the anti ------ to fundraising. He was a logistics man at OSU, didn't raise (and to be fair) wasn't in a position to raise money at Pitt 1, didn't raise money at Nebraska and was despised by so many at Pitt 2 that people wouldn't give because he was here.
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