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OT: Pittsburgh again among 25 best places to retire....

Its a great city!
Life long Pittburghers tend to sell the city short.
We stay in Northshore hotels for home games and interact with a lot of the visiting fans.
They love coming to Pittsburgh since theres so much to do and its a bueatiful city
with the rivers and city views from the Northshore.
In addition to all the other great things the people are friendly and living costs are
under control.
Appreciate your great place!
 
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Its a great city!
Life long Pittburghers tend to sell the city short.
We stay in hotels for home games and interact with a lot of the visiting fans.
They love coming to Pittsburgh since theres so much to do and its a bueatiful city
with the rivers and city views from the Northshore.
In addition to all the other great things the people are friendly and living costs are
under control.
Appreciate your great place!
I escaped Philly.
 
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Pittsburgh makes all of these lists essentially because it has lots of cheap housing.
 
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Fixed.
 
Its a really nice city. Its vibrant.Thats why is makes these lists. I didnt used to be.
 
I hope Pitt uses the "City of Pittsburgh" as a recruiting tool. True that not all kids want the city, but this is a heck of a city. You want the "big city", go downtown; you want a college town; go to Lawrenceville, the South Side, Oakland, etc...

Go Pitt.
 
I am admittedly very bias as a Pitt grad, but... As someone who grew up in NY and spent brief time in other nice locales, I honestly can't disagree with the accolades from my personal view. Other than less than ideal weather, there really isn't anything significant that I can point out to dislike about the region.

If Pittsburgh bordered a soft, white sand Caribbean beach, instead of the Ohio River, I may never leave.
 
Actually the methodology for this particular list (detailed at the beginning of the article) is based on a LOT more than housing prices. I'd suggest you read it before making assumptions.

I'd suggest that you read the article before making an assumption.:cool:

"This year, we weighed data on nearly 500 cities from all 50 states and the District of Columbia. The most important factors were economic: overall cost of living and home prices as compared with national averages, and general state tax climate for retirees (a point that Forbes has been tracking for years.) These are also the main reasons why there are just a few locations (Pittsburgh, Pa., and the Portland, Ore., suburb of Oak Grove) in the pricey Northeast and West Coast."

I try to be a realist with these things. Pittsburgh makes all of these "top cities" lists simply because the cost of living is cheap, especially the cost of houses.
 
I hope Pitt uses the "City of Pittsburgh" as a recruiting tool. True that not all kids want the city, but this is a heck of a city. You want the "big city", go downtown; you want a college town; go to Lawrenceville, the South Side, Oakland, etc...

Go Pitt.

I've posted this before and I'll continue to do so when it comes up. I don't think the City of Pittsburgh is an effective recruiting tool. Most college kids have everything they need on campus. That's true at Pitt and at Penn State. Sell the benefits of the city to the seniors and recent grads so they don't flee Pittsburgh, but not to 17 year olds who just want cool parties filled with attractive people.
 
I've posted this before and I'll continue to do so when it comes up. I don't think the City of Pittsburgh is an effective recruiting tool. Most college kids have everything they need on campus. That's true at Pitt and at Penn State. Sell the benefits of the city to the seniors and recent grads so they don't flee Pittsburgh, but not to 17 year olds who just want cool parties filled with attractive people.

That's exactly it.

Me at 20...... I am thinking parties with other 20 year olds. Don't matter cool bar scene, I am underaged. So frat parties, apartment parties are the attraction. Food? Pizza. Wings. McD's. Now? As a bit of a Foodie, yeah Cure or Meat Or Potatoes or Tako is great, but as a kid, I couldn't afford them let alone care. Museums? Not really.

The only thing say Pittsburgh would have as a real appeal to me as a 20 year old vs the campus towns of say Morgantown or State College is the pro sports teams (but again could I afford to go to them) or concerts. That is a big attraction.

The city is great to live in. But as a college student, State College, Morgantown, hell Indiana (IUP) has pretty much all you need.
 
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I'd suggest that you read the article before making an assumption.:cool:

"This year, we weighed data on nearly 500 cities from all 50 states and the District of Columbia. The most important factors were economic: overall cost of living and home prices as compared with national averages, and general state tax climate for retirees (a point that Forbes has been tracking for years.) These are also the main reasons why there are just a few locations (Pittsburgh, Pa., and the Portland, Ore., suburb of Oak Grove) in the pricey Northeast and West Coast."

I try to be a realist with these things. Pittsburgh makes all of these "top cities" lists simply because the cost of living is cheap, especially the cost of houses.
You said cheap housing, not cost of living. I agree that Pittsburgh is always very strong in that category, although I disagree that is the only reason Pittsburgh is on that list. I have to imagine there are a ton of cities with low cost of living/cheaper housing that would dominate that list if that's all it was based on. I lived in the NOLA area for 2 years - tons of cities down south that are dirt cheap to live in. Wonder why they aren't considered?
 
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I'd suggest that you read the article before making an assumption.:cool:

"This year, we weighed data on nearly 500 cities from all 50 states and the District of Columbia. The most important factors were economic: overall cost of living and home prices as compared with national averages, and general state tax climate for retirees (a point that Forbes has been tracking for years.) These are also the main reasons why there are just a few locations (Pittsburgh, Pa., and the Portland, Ore., suburb of Oak Grove) in the pricey Northeast and West Coast."

I try to be a realist with these things. Pittsburgh makes all of these "top cities" lists simply because the cost of living is cheap, especially the cost of houses.

Another factor is that it happens to be in the only state in the NE (Pennsylvania)!that is tax friendly to retirees. No state tax on pensions or on the social security check. Even the lottery which in many (most?) states supports education in PA benefits senior citizens.

A less nasty winter weather place to retire in PA might actually be Adams County (Gettysburg area), though. Medical services for the old and decrepit about an hour away in Hershey or slightly further in the DC metro area.
 
I'd suggest that you read the article before making an assumption.:cool:

"This year, we weighed data on nearly 500 cities from all 50 states and the District of Columbia. The most important factors were economic: overall cost of living and home prices as compared with national averages, and general state tax climate for retirees (a point that Forbes has been tracking for years.) These are also the main reasons why there are just a few locations (Pittsburgh, Pa., and the Portland, Ore., suburb of Oak Grove) in the pricey Northeast and West Coast."

I try to be a realist with these things. Pittsburgh makes all of these "top cities" lists simply because the cost of living is cheap, especially the cost of houses.
So, now you've changed from "its because housing is cheap" to: "the cost of living is cheap, especially the cost of houses." Everything here is reasonable....and the OTHER towns on the list are similar in costs. So, maybe that isn't the only reason??
 
So, now you've changed from "its because housing is cheap" to: "the cost of living is cheap, especially the cost of houses." Everything here is reasonable....and the OTHER towns on the list are similar in costs. So, maybe that isn't the only reason??

Cheap housing and cost of living are generally strongly related, but I can adjust my statement to be this: Pittsburgh makes all of these lists primarily because it has cheap housing and low cost of living. I think that is a pretty accurate statement.
 
There was a recent article by the New York Times suggesting people came here initially for cheap housing but are staying because of so much more.

Pittsburgh makes these lists for much more than cheap housing.
 
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I like Pittsburgh, would consider moving back if the right career opportunities arose for the wife and I.

But, these list are fairly silly and arbitrary.

I think a lot of people when they post these things on a Pitt board think it is something that would help recruit athletes, you know, 18 year old kids. Where in fact, as Ski pointed out, and I reiterated, to kids this stuff doesn't matter. To perspective professors or administrators or even coaches, it is more important.
 
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I think a lot of people when they post these things on a Pitt board think it is something that would help recruit athletes, you know, 18 year old kids. Where in fact, as Ski pointed out, and I reiterated, to kids this stuff doesn't matter. To perspective professors or administrators or even coaches, it is more important.


I think African American kids value the diversity Pittsburgh offers compared to other rural college campuses.
 
I think African American kids value the diversity Pittsburgh offers compared to other rural college campuses.
I think African American kids value the diversity Pittsburgh offers compared to other rural college campuses.
Oakland is very white and not very diverse, same is true of Pittsburgh in general.
 
I like Pittsburgh, would consider moving back if the right career opportunities arose for the wife and I.

But, these list are fairly silly and arbitrary.
Souf, after where you've been, you'd hate these long winters.
 
There was a recent article by the New York Times suggesting people came here initially for cheap housing but are staying because of so much more.

Pittsburgh makes these lists for much more than cheap housing.
Bingo. I've stayed here because it's just a terrific place to raise a family. The kids are all over the country, but we're staying here. Big city amenities, small Midwestern town friendly.
 
Oakland is made up of 11% African Americans. The national average is 12%. Is below the national average considered diverse?

Pittsburgh is definitely not very diverse either. Segregated, yes. Not diverse. Frankly, we need to be concerned less with diversity and more concerned about eliminating segregation.
 
Rental prices in desireable areas of Pittsburgh have increased, but the population went down the last couple of years. I think the older population is being replaced, and those newer people are just willing to spend more as long as those homes and apartments are in places they want to live.
Gee.....that last sentence says it all "want to live." The population loss was minimal, and the far burbs are growing rapidly....not East so much...dang Tunnel.
The craziness in Larryville will burst at some point...already some movement in Polish Hill, I'm told. Gentrification is amorphous. But the message is clear...the Burgh is a great place to live.
As for the older group.....patio homes @ 1800-2000 sq. ft. are priced like my 3000 sq.ft. two-story. We'll be downsizing soon, OUT of Allegheny County.
 
Oakland is made up of 11% African Americans. The national average is 12%. Is below the national average considered diverse?

Pittsburgh is definitely not very diverse either. Segregated, yes. Not diverse. Frankly, we need to be concerned less with diversity and more concerned about eliminating segregation.
I thought diversity is more than just about whites and African Americans? Oakland draws from many ethiniticities and races.
 
Rental prices in desireable areas of Pittsburgh have increased, but the population went down the last couple of years. I think the older population is being replaced, and those newer people are just willing to spend more as long as those homes and apartments are in places they want to live.
Really interesting article from a couple of months back. Amazing where they consider to be the next Lawrenceville.

http://www.pittsburghmagazine.com/Pittsburgh-Magazine/March-2016/The-Next-Hot-Hoods-in-Pittsburgh/
 
Bingo. I've stayed here because it's just a terrific place to raise a family. The kids are all over the country, but we're staying here. Big city amenities, small Midwestern town friendly.
My husband is a Chicago native and really wanted to move back there after he finished his MSIA at CMU (based on his job we can live pretty much anywhere in the US), but we realized pretty early on staying here enabled me to raise our kids, have a nice house, great public education system, save for college and retirement and the relief of stress over most money issues. Add in we bought our second home in 1996 at a ridiculously low price that has now almost tripled in value, it's an understatement to say Pittsburgh has been very, very good to us.

Not sure if we'll stay here though. Not near retirement yet and not sure where our kids will end up either. Currently looking to purchase a second home/condo somewhere in a more temperate climate. My fantasy is to sell this house (way too much work - 2 acres), get a nice condo downtown and have the second residence hopefully close to the kids. Fantasy at this point, but who knows.
 
according to Forbes. Amazing the change in perception of this city over the last 20 years. Hail to Pitt!

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mjf45hlek/pittsburgh-pennsylvania/
From the Cheap Seats; looking at this list from strictly a retiree perspective, I think the authors put on a blindfold and throw darts at a map. I only saw six locations that I would have considered before I retired. Been retired five years now and am reasonably happy being a snowbird between my home in Winter Haven, FL and my camp in Mayfield, NY. Tricky business this retirement. Do your homework, and choose wisely.
 
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I thought diversity is more than just about whites and African Americans? Oakland draws from many ethiniticities and races.

Depends. In this context, diversity means racial diversity. Oakland is actually less segregated than is the rest of the city, but I still would not call it diverse. People just think it's diverse because there are fewer white folks in Oakland than in the burbs.
 
Gee.....that last sentence says it all "want to live." The population loss was minimal, and the far burbs are growing rapidly....not East so much...dang Tunnel.
The craziness in Larryville will burst at some point...already some movement in Polish Hill, I'm told. Gentrification is amorphous. But the message is clear...the Burgh is a great place to live.
As for the older group.....patio homes @ 1800-2000 sq. ft. are priced like my 3000 sq.ft. two-story. We'll be downsizing soon, OUT of Allegheny County.

I think what is happening is that younger people prefer to live in the city and in trendy areas like Lville or less trendy but more affordable areas like Polish Hill. As these younger folks are moving in, older folks are leaving and while places like Shadyside continue to see housing prices increase, other locations just outside of hte city I believe are trending downward. What is really happening is a shift rather than a big increase. It is more like moving the furniture then anything else. Just my two cents.
 
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