Again, what about typical college campuses?
Pittsburgh is without question more diverse than state college, Morgantown, Charlottesville, Madison....etc.
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Again, what about typical college campuses?
Pittsburgh is without question more diverse than state college, Morgantown, Charlottesville, Madison....etc.
Pittsburgh has a negative integration/segregation score, meaning that at the neighborhood level it is not very diverse... most black people live in a poorer areas while most white people live in wealthier areas. Madison has a positive score, so even though it is 84% white, the other races are distributed more evenly throughout the city, instead of stuck in specific locations.
My girls are in CA, FL, OH & soon to be in Erie (Home from AK) We need to travel to see them & vice versa. We're just starting our freshening of the place to unload it, escape Rich Fitzgerald & Co. for lower taxes in Butler/Beaver County. The place is in good shape...but wouldn't please the Property Brothers or Chip & Joanna. We'll stay in the Burgh, spend a month or so in Fl in a rental.
Your post sums up Pittsburgh for lots of people! One of our sons graduated from PITT top 3 in his major, 30 yrs old making a 6 figure salary, purchased his first house 3 months ago, saving money, was going to move from Pittsburgh but realized its a nice place to live and raise a family. Since its mid sized city earning are somewhat limited but cost of living and QUALITY of LIFE more than offsets a life Manhattan, Chicago, LA, Philly, Boston, etc.
We're 300 miles away in PA in an area that gets more expensive by the day forcing lots of young people to relocate. We both just retired so a second home in a warmer beach place is on our list too!
When I get a break from cutting my lawn we'll start to look.
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We gave up the cutting grass thing 15 years ago.
Plus our grass cutter is pretty cute. 
Because it's not diverse.
It's really not .
The only people who think it's diverse are people who live in places with absolutely no diversity.
Go ahead and check the demographics .
Like 11% black , very little Asian or Hispanic or anything else.
That's not diverse.
I'm stating facts , not arguing.
I have to agree. And one more thing that I'd add is that when great high school athletes choose a school, it's for the sport that they play -- waaay more than any other reason.
If the better players are picking such places as Tuscaloosa, Alabama and Norman, Oklahoma, to spend their next 4-5 years of their lives, it's certainly not because these towns are cultural meccas or because they're winning "most livable city" awards.
First I think that is one reason we still do recruit fairly well in football compared to our w/l results.
We got Hamlin, wheeler, and garner from Pcc.
Adams, hinish, petrishin Nope.
And again, the other places I listed are less diverse than Pittsburgh and even specifically Oakland.
Diversity has nothing to do with where people choose to go to school or live after college.
Most want a good school, with things to do, in a safe and affordable community, with quality job opportunities after college.
Noone looks up the diversity stats and says that's my place. How ridiculous!
Try the South Bronx NY there's some diversity for you if you survive!
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Ok......
It might have nothing to do with the decisions you make but I'm not sure how you can make a claim that other people don't value something.
All of this like most of the things we talk about on here aren't worth the time it takes to write these posts.
Here's the facts from the Census Bureau using the last 2010 official census. All data after the 2010 Census are estimates.
Total US
White-65%
Black-13%
Hispanic-16%
Asian/other-6%
Pittsburgh
White - 66%
Black - 26%
Hispanic 4%
Asians- 4%
Not that diversity should count but Pittsburgh is diverse.
It's a great city and that should attract great people!
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You actually just disproved the point you were trying to make.
White people a push
Far less Asian and Hispanic than average
More blacks on average .
How is that more diverse, exactly ?
Less diversity than average , and that's including the whole city .
Go ahead now and look at Oakland.
79% white
11% black
6% Asian
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Oakland
79% white
11% black
6% Asian
Madison, wi
75% white
8% Asian
7% Hispanic
7% black
Charlottesville, va
75% white
20% black
6.5% Asian
I'm sure you're right about Morgantown
But you're mistaken about most college towns.
My point stands , it's diverse only if you're from Lilly white places and you consider diversity seeing some black people each day.
I said Pittsburgh is more diverse than most college towns, which it is. You even posted stats where you used Oakland not Pittsburgh.
Now, instead of arguing over stupid stuff like this I'm actually going to go live life on a Saturday while you continue to virtual argue all day acting you like you're cultured. Toodles.
State college is actually comparable to central Oakland .
Same percentage of white people, more Asians , less blacks.
Except it's not . Even using the whole city instead of comparing college towns to where Pitt actually is.
You're welcome
Your stats may be correct, but the great majority of the residents in my son's apartment building on Oakland Avenue would STRONGLY disagree.
You said there was no diversity! Yes its less than the US average but its a diverse city just pointing that out.
I always have a problem when someone says minorities are " stuck" in a specific location. Many hard working minority families live in our neighborhood where the homes range from $ 500k - $ 1 million. I believe those families will disagree with your statement. And the neighborhood compares closely to the national population demographics. Funny how that works out for hard working people isn't it!
Noone mandates where you live! Get an education, get some job training, add skills, start a business, and you can choose where you would like to live. Choose to do none of the above, go on welfare because it easy, and your living options are limited.
Want to live on Millionaire Row earn it which is what a lot of minorities and everyone else does! Simple!
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Our kids lived in Oakland.
For starters it looks diverse and our kids thought it was diverse when they lived there!
For seconds how do you measure diversity in a transient ( constantly changing) community that has 2-8 people packed in rental housing. You have to count the rental / residents in the numbers or the numbers mean nothing.
Noone can accurately track demographics in a community like that so the numbers are a pull it from you ear ( I did say ear) estimate!
Spend some time walking around Oakland and you'll get a good idea of the make-up of the neighborhood!
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Sure they can.
Residents + college demographics .
I lived in Oakland for 6 years.
I like it, but plenty here selling a false bill of goods.
I liked Oakland, too, but it's hardly diverse. Compared to PSU? Sure. Relative to other urban places? That's a different story.
It is what it is! And its diverse enough!
If it matches the national averages or is close its diverse.
If you want a place that's 80% black, with lots of Hispanic, Asian and some white people making up the difference pick a school in the South Bronx ( there aren't any located there for obvious reasons). Maybe that's your idea of diversity! Lol!
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I mean, there are plenty of urban universities located in places far more diverse than Oakland. As usual, I'm not sure what you're actually trying to say here.
I'm in Oakland at least 5 days a week. If it's 6% Asian I'll kiss my own ass. I have no idea how the stats you're using are tracked, but CMU alone is heavily Asian. I walk down Forbes avenue every day. It's a lot more diverse than state college, and any statistics that show that it is are bogus.
There are no darts. The methodology clearly states that housing and taxes are the biggest factors in the evaluation.
(1) housing is relatively cheap in Pittsburgh
(2) state tax treatment of retirement income is extremely favorable in PA.
(3) what is the most unreported benefit of the city itself is the favorable property tax rates for retirees due to the high city income tax rate.
If you mostly care about costs from housing and state/local taxes, it's hard to beat Pittsburgh.
(1) housing is relatively cheap in Pittsburgh
(2) state tax treatment of retirement income is extremely favorable in PA.
(3) what is the most unreported benefit of the city itself is the favorable property tax rates for retirees due to the high city income tax rate.
If you mostly care about costs from housing and state/local taxes, it's hard to beat Pittsburgh.
My younger son took a class at CMU in the summer of his junior year. I could not believe that I was at a US college as English was absolutely NOT the primary language walking around the campus.
No kidding. I know what Oakland is like, and saying it's not diverse is bullshit.
CMU is the western suburb of Mumbai. Or Beijing. Or Tokyo. Amazing, really.
First of all, CMU is not in Oakland, it is technically in Squirrel Hill.
Second, Pitt's Asian population is 6.8%. Not that much higher than Oakland's 6%. Some of you talk as if every other student at Pitt is Asian, but that is only true in your minds because it is what you notice most. And why are some of you ignoring that Oakland extends well beyond Forbes and Fifth. Based on the comment here you would think that Oakland starts at the Hillman library and ends at Soldiers and Sailors Hall. It's a pretty large neighborhood.
But the big point that I need to make again is this. Looking at demographics city-wide is a terrible way to account for diversity. It doesn't matter if the black population is 10%, 20% or 50%. If almost everyone who is African American is living in the same neighborhoods, and the white people are living together in the same neighborhoods, then that isn't diversity, it's segregation.
Second, Pitt's Asian population is 6.8%. Not that much higher than Oakland's 6%. Some of you talk as if every other student at Pitt is Asian, but that is only true in your minds because it is what you notice most. And why are some of you ignoring that Oakland extends well beyond Forbes and Fifth. Based on the comment here you would think that Oakland starts at the Hillman library and ends at Soldiers and Sailors Hall. It's a pretty large neighborhood.
But the big point that I need to make again is this. Looking at demographics city-wide is a terrible way to account for diversity. It doesn't matter if the black population is 10%, 20% or 50%. If almost everyone who is African American is living in the same neighborhoods, and the white people are living together in the same neighborhoods, then that isn't diversity, it's segregation.
I thought that someone might take offense and attempt to make a political diatribe. You just couldn't resist, could you? The fact remains however, that if most of the black folks live in the same neighborhoods, which are typically poorer neighborhoods in Pittsburgh, than that isn't diversity.
What neighborhood are you talking about? Is it near Pittsburgh?
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