They should be used as an ace in the whole, not as a prime negotiation point. But I’m just a schmuck on a message board, just like everyone else here. So we wait and see.
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The export tax he mentioned on truth social in regards to our farmers is crazy. I hope that’s not true
in theory it's a gift to domestic farmers and production. problem is, we all envision the independent midwest farmer and in reality, china and even worse, bill gates owns a tremendous amount of farmland in the US. not a fan of giving these two entities any advantages...
I am still trying to understand exactly what Canada and Mexico have to do for us to remove the tariffs. Trump should really be very precise and describe exactly why he is risking a trade war that is going to raise prices and also is hurting the stock market.
Hopefully this all works out and it is a great chess move, but right now I don’t see the point.
I disagree, US farmers export over 20% of their poduction oversees and now you're goign to tax that?
Maybe they have more info that this IS going after the larger corporate farms but something tells me this is again a chainsaw rather than a scalpel. They're charging face first into the wall and hoping it's only one brick thick
But again, maybe you end up being right and this is the multinational conglomerates being forced to lower prices domestically due to high supplies and reduced export demand
Paying corporate farmers not to grow crops never made sense to me.
Trying to find info on the export tax is difficult. I get tariff info but no links where any export taxes are discussed.
Trying to find info on the export tax is difficult. I get tariff info but no links where any export taxes are discussed.
Fridge Perry was a Defense secretary? I just thought he was a Defensive Tackle.
Honestly, there's almost no network news sites that provide reliable info on anything these days. But the streams I've caught all day Trump wants these abutting nations to reduce illegal immigration and slow fentanyl entries. I kinda wonder if all this tariff noise is Trump's way to get companies to bring industry back to our shores.
There's definitely drawbacks to having such disparate administrations every few years.
I think that is definitely endgame
He has certainly used illegal immigrations and fentanyl as his... is scapegoat the right word? ... anyways, if not that word they are the nexus of the tariffs.
But frankly I think the threat of increased deportation has been a plenty decent deterrent even though it's not working out in practice. Saying it at least is doing SOMETHING. So not sure how tariffs change anything
But the fentanyl one makes no sense. A vast majority of it is not coming through Canada, it's coming from China. In fact FAR more is going INTO Canada than is coming here. So that DEFINITELY makes no sense
They also absolutely want industry to return here but that's something that doesn't take just a couple years that takes a LONG time and again, will raise prices a ton in the short term in the HOPES that companies aren't just fine passing off the tax on the consumer instead of paying Americans far higher wages.
I think overall there's solid intention behind this section of the plan but I don't think real economists were consulted as just about every single one of them has said it's not gonna work
And I think unfortunately the stock market, the Fed, and many other indicators are in agreement
So I guess the Trump haters will think this is bad... the end of bloodshed.
One point on wanting industry to come back here is this. These companies left the U.S. because of the cost of labor and the unions. Because of that I don’t think they will come back here unless there’s tax incentives to do so. Otherwise forget about the companies ever coming back.
Not a lot I'd disagree with here.
I've always been a stop the demand and that stops the supply guy. Chasing our tail makes no sense. I can't save people from themselves.
The immigration situation has been criminal IMO.
I'm a Mearsheimer/Sachs acolyte regarding Ukraine. We got jobbed by the MIC or whatever. Maybe Russia will buy replacement ammo from us? 🤔
Yeah well critical items the US has been handing out alot of grant money from the CHIPS act to bring back strategic materials both defense and economy wise.
I agree with you on this point that’s what Biden did with the CHIPS Act. However, on the manufacturing front corporations such as Ford, GM built plants in Mexico and Canada for lower labor costs. So did Whirlpool and others followed. One other issue is that our country can’t find enough workers to fill a lot of manufacturing jobs. So these companies manufacture part of the products here and ship out to other countries to finish the products. To stop this we have to somehow train young people in this country to fill these jobs and make sure they are good paying jobs. Here’s one industry that will never come back. The textile industry. Until the late 60’s 90% of the clothes we wore were made in America mostly in NYC.
Will manufacturing ever come back to America we’ll wait and see. Hopefully some of it will.
One note that I want to make. The greed of the corporations and their shareholders and board members is keeping the working class and lower class from moving up the economic ladder. When wages go up so does prices of goods. To me the issue is how many millions do these people have to make? And they make it on the backs of the workers and then want to keep wages low. That’s the issue for me and I’m sure many others.
Can I ask a question about Trump’s speech tonight that’s simply an appeal to the common expectation of truth?
Does it not really bother any of you that Trump is so comfortable just going up and stating blatantly false statistics just for applause?
these aren’t even like “maybes” or half truth but blatant this is clearly false?
Saying the US has spent triple what Europe has on Ukraine when it’s actually half? And he tripled the number we’ve actually sent?
Tripling the amount of PEOPLE let alone Americans that died building the Panama Canal
GREATLY inflating every aspect of whatever DOGE continues to lie about and then silently retract once it’s been proven to be made up?
I’m not even going to mention how much time he spent on the social security “fraud” which has been completely debunked as almost none of the deceased are actually receiving payments they’re just not deleted - because it’s silly that the department literally found this and didn’t immediately fix it?
Even little things like saying he’s inheriting the worst economy in history or whatever. It’s just not even close to true
Please don’t take this as an attack or anything beyond the question: does this not bother you how constant the lies are?
And to give my own version of quib pro quo - I think it was a wild and stupid and heartless move for democrats not to stand and clap for the families and regular people who were brought in to be celebrated/honored/mourned
I’m sure we’ll litigate the rest of the speech at some point before our new overlords take over. But for now I’m just kinda curious about the main question I posed
Does it not really bother any of you that Trump is so comfortable just going up and stating blatantly false statistics just for applause?
these aren’t even like “maybes” or half truth but blatant this is clearly false?
Saying the US has spent triple what Europe has on Ukraine when it’s actually half? And he tripled the number we’ve actually sent?
Tripling the amount of PEOPLE let alone Americans that died building the Panama Canal
GREATLY inflating every aspect of whatever DOGE continues to lie about and then silently retract once it’s been proven to be made up?
I’m not even going to mention how much time he spent on the social security “fraud” which has been completely debunked as almost none of the deceased are actually receiving payments they’re just not deleted - because it’s silly that the department literally found this and didn’t immediately fix it?
Even little things like saying he’s inheriting the worst economy in history or whatever. It’s just not even close to true
Please don’t take this as an attack or anything beyond the question: does this not bother you how constant the lies are?
And to give my own version of quib pro quo - I think it was a wild and stupid and heartless move for democrats not to stand and clap for the families and regular people who were brought in to be celebrated/honored/mourned
I’m sure we’ll litigate the rest of the speech at some point before our new overlords take over. But for now I’m just kinda curious about the main question I posed
yes it bothers me
does it bother you when some can’t even clap for the cancer kid being made an agent or the kid who lost his dad getting a West Point appointment?
anyone lining up behind their a-hole because it's their side and ignoring the graft and corruption and BS they all are involved in is disgusting.....term limits won't even help much because there will be replacement pieces of crap lined up behind each and every one
Trump might in some way give hope to the possibility of blowing up the swamp........likely not but something needs to change because the hard working middle class deserves better
does it bother you when some can’t even clap for the cancer kid being made an agent or the kid who lost his dad getting a West Point appointment?
anyone lining up behind their a-hole because it's their side and ignoring the graft and corruption and BS they all are involved in is disgusting.....term limits won't even help much because there will be replacement pieces of crap lined up behind each and every one
Trump might in some way give hope to the possibility of blowing up the swamp........likely not but something needs to change because the hard working middle class deserves better
This country is way too polarized. When a Democrat is President we get to see a few Republicans look like fools screaming at him during his SOTU address and vice versa now when a Republican is in office.
And sadly I don't see it getting better anytime soon.
The seemingly blind acceptance of corporatism, especially within conservatism (which I basically am part of) is IMO one of the greatest problems facing American society. My inner Christian Nationalist would cite Isaiah 5:8 as a principle we should follow.
"Woe to those who join house to house, who add field to field, until there is no more room, and you are made to dwell alone in the midst of the land.". Isaiah officially declares the Lord's "woe" upon the greediness of the wealthy in Judah.
"They were buying up the houses and land of their neighbors. These were not merely properties their neighbors could no longer afford. Rather, these were properties which had been in their families for generations, passed down from father to son. The rich among them were only too happy to snap up their farms and houses when the poor were forced to sell. Although technically legal, this amassing of land by some over others was not God's intention for His people. The Lord built provisions into the Law to prohibit this."
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The only thing that bothers me about the "lies" is that he is playing the game that ALL politicians play. They all lie. All of them.
Trump's lies are almost humorous though. It's hard to take them seriously. It is like "I caught a fish this big........" and keeps on stretching his arms.
Sure but usually they’re twisting truths and maybe leaving out context or giving slight exaggerations
Trump is just blatantly making up figures left and right to make a narrative because he is not beholden to truth by his supporters and that’s crazy
Politicians from both parties used to work together regularly. Now their bases all but discourage any collaboration and fighting is celebrated on social media and on Fox News and MSNBC. It's become a joke that only ends up hurting us, the American people.
It happens on both sides. Biden was "very proud of his son and knew he didn't do anything wrong". All of a sudden that laptop was real.
We tend to get more upset when the "other" side does it. Fits our narrative.
Did you expect anything else from him. After 10 minutes of his lies, went back to watching the Pens.
Which is why I say we need a real, honest to goodness 3rd party.
Holy ****, I can't keep going around in circles about the laptop. House Republicans have been entirely unable to link any connection between Joe and anything on the laptop. They have been trying for an extremely long time. It was a father defending a son. He shouldn't have pardoned him. Hunter sucks. End of merry go round
How are you guys constantly dodging the question. Your statement "both sides do it" is not a defense it's saying that it's okay to do so because you believe the other side does it
Why is that the bar?
FWIW I don't give a s*** what was actually on the laptop.
First it wasn't Hunter's. Then it was "Russian disinformation". Then it was Hunters but "nothing incriminating". Then he"s not going to pardon Hunter. Then he pardons Hunter.
I see which side you are predisposed to.
I agree on Trump. I wish he would go away and the adults in the room could have conversations instead of yelling past each other.
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Most conservatives I know have a list of the things they wish Trump didn't do and feel it hurts the cause. I think most hold to the hope that Vance can be Trump without Trump's foibles.
We obviously minimize Trump's negatives. But we wonder the same about Dems. Did it not bother Dems that the Party hid Joe's dementia, or the fake Sreele Memorandum, or Schiff's lies about what he saw in the skiff (sp?).
It's politics. We all want to believe perception is reality and that we if we can manipulate the image, we can control reality. It's largely mind control and that's kinda scary.
So Americans should work for $5/day or whatever the third world rate is these days?
Tell me how that would ever work?
The time for these tariffs to stop jobs moving overseas was like 50 years ago!
The horse is out of the barn now.
Like I told a Foundryman years ago when he was bitching about the high cost of labor, "If you think you can get Americans to work for the same rate they work for in Brazil or Indonesia, good luck!"
Americans pay utility bills, car insurance, taxes, grocery bills, gasoline, car payments, mortgages, etc. No way they can make a go of it on third world wages!
Another thing, so many of these old jobs have been lost to automation. Like coal mining, or a new technology steel mill. The manpower required in almost any industry has shrunk permanently due to computerized equipment and robots.
A lot of this bring jobs back bullshit is just that. Pablum for the masses!
Don't get the hiding Joe part? Anyone with eyes could see age was catching up with the guy.
Hanging on to him did Trump a huge favor because by the time it became obvious even to those wanting to believe otherwise, it was too late to have a primary season that would have produced a solid candidate to take Donnie on.
His inner circle probably did try to minimize the damage, but in the end if played right into MAGA's hands.
The debate performance was hard to watch. Like Ali fighting Holmes. Sad.
Almost as if stories need to play out before we jump to conclusions, but that's not allowed
Find one singular time I called the laptop russian disinformation. The "cover up" was bigger than the story there, always was. Especially because FOX news also passed on it at first. It was impossible to verify anything until it wasn't so it should be a non story but it's been latched onto like a parasite
The constant parading around of it is just annoying
The shame of all of this is both parties have sunk so deep in the muck that it’s actually killing our country. Nothing ever gets done in congress anymore, no bipartisan solutions. Who suffers, us the American people.
It’s seems that the politicians want to divide us on purpose. If you don’t agree with the far left they don’t or won’t discuss anything with you. The far right just screams louder how “woke” you are if you don’t agree with them.
The only way to solve issues is everyone must sit down and listen to each other then come to agreement in a partisan way. That’s the American way.
And one thing leave religion out of the discussion. It’s in the constitution.
I think last night showed truly what the Republican Party has become. It’s not about anything other than “owning the libs.” How many other presidents in my life have spent an address like that blasting the previous president. How many other presidents have openly antagonized the other party as the baseline of their speech. Don’t even try to tell me that is what Biden or Obama did. He might have had policies you didn’t like, but that is not antagonism.
It’s all about at this point “haha he makes liberals mad” nothing more.
It’s all about at this point “haha he makes liberals mad” nothing more.
I mean even when there has been bi partisan support on things MAGA has come in and killed it because they know it is to their disadvantage. Think of the border bill that had broad support until Trump gave marching orders to stop it, then had the nerve to antagonize democrats about it.
Also, I do feel bad for people like @pghsonj1325. Obviously not a liberal and leans more conservative, but has obviously felt left behind by what the party has become. One of my best friends is exactly like this, lifelong conservative but much more moderate, and simply hates Trump and what MAGA has done to the party
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