The Nuge is also a loud and proud conservative and gun well, gun nut if I can be so kind. Not trying to take this into a political slant, but I wonder if this influences Mr. Crosby's opinion? I would guess it would.
OT: Rock N’ Roll Hall of Fame Inductions
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Lol, ya think?
There are likely literally thousands of "hacks who can't sing" but might have gotten to make a few records and thus technically eligible... yet likely only one (ok, there's probably one or two others, maybe but none so overtly so) is politically conservative... wow, what are the ODDS that David Crosby would call HIM out as undeserving. Astonishing! Clearly hippies didn't fully buy into peace and love for EVERYONE, did they
Totally agree on Nugent being a hack
Long before he got all RWNJ too
All you need do is try to sit through Wango Tango from start to finish
Absolutely horseshit music for people who either hate music or don’t understand what it is in the first place
Don’t believe me ? Try listening to it... I couldn’t make it past 30 seconds...as a musician myself it’s absolutely murder to sit through anything that bad
None of his other “music “ is really any better either
Long before he got all RWNJ too
All you need do is try to sit through Wango Tango from start to finish
Absolutely horseshit music for people who either hate music or don’t understand what it is in the first place
Don’t believe me ? Try listening to it... I couldn’t make it past 30 seconds...as a musician myself it’s absolutely murder to sit through anything that bad
None of his other “music “ is really any better either
I guess a few on here don't like Ted's politics or hobbies but he was a very successful rock n roll guy.
I have to laugh at the previous dummy post reviewing Ted's music.
I guess he thinks he's the ultimate authority on Rock n Roll music and Ted Nugent??
IMO the dummy poster doesn't conservatives, guns, so Nugent isn't on his list!
He's on a lot of people lists for sure! Atleast he support America!
TED NUGENT WRAPS UP SUMMER TOUR WITH SOLD OUT SHOW BENEFITING THE “SHOW OF SUPPORT MEMORIAL” FOR OUR TROOPS
Different people like different styles of music there isn't a Rock n Roll standard.
If you read and participate in music message boards and blogs - I do- many have Nugent as a top 30 guitarist in the world, some top 70. That's pretty good if we're rating the world.Rolling Stone or Guitar World won't rate him because of his politics and gun hobbies?
And I think you don't like the same!
I go with the music blog experts in place of some music dummy on the free Panther Lair message board!
Mrs Buffett and I follow ZZ Top and George Thorogood around and find their shows sometimes
twice per year. I bet the dummy poster hates them too but in our mind they're the best.
Not our 1st favorite but Nugent is good, entertaining, and will be touring this summer and we'll see him at The Hard Rock in AC.
Many think only his politics and hobbies will keep Ted out of the rock n roll hall of fame!
Good! I think he wears that as a badge of honor!
He has a huge following and packs the place when he has a show.
I have to laugh at the previous dummy post reviewing Ted's music.
I guess he thinks he's the ultimate authority on Rock n Roll music and Ted Nugent??
IMO the dummy poster doesn't conservatives, guns, so Nugent isn't on his list!
He's on a lot of people lists for sure! Atleast he support America!
TED NUGENT WRAPS UP SUMMER TOUR WITH SOLD OUT SHOW BENEFITING THE “SHOW OF SUPPORT MEMORIAL” FOR OUR TROOPS
Different people like different styles of music there isn't a Rock n Roll standard.
If you read and participate in music message boards and blogs - I do- many have Nugent as a top 30 guitarist in the world, some top 70. That's pretty good if we're rating the world.Rolling Stone or Guitar World won't rate him because of his politics and gun hobbies?
And I think you don't like the same!
I go with the music blog experts in place of some music dummy on the free Panther Lair message board!
Mrs Buffett and I follow ZZ Top and George Thorogood around and find their shows sometimes
twice per year. I bet the dummy poster hates them too but in our mind they're the best.
Not our 1st favorite but Nugent is good, entertaining, and will be touring this summer and we'll see him at The Hard Rock in AC.
Many think only his politics and hobbies will keep Ted out of the rock n roll hall of fame!
Good! I think he wears that as a badge of honor!
He has a huge following and packs the place when he has a show.
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He’s a hack
Kiss who weren’t very great as musicians run circles around him
Yep I’m sure I understand quite a bit more about music than you
As I said the politics are just icing on the cake of shit
Let’s see a list of artists that cite him as an influence
You won’t cause he’s a joke
Why can Jimmy Page Alex Lifeson Jeff Beck Frank Zappa Steve Vai Eddie Van Halen The Edge Allan Holdsworth and Robert Fripp get into Guitar magazines?
Because they aren’t hacks.
Kiss who weren’t very great as musicians run circles around him
Yep I’m sure I understand quite a bit more about music than you
As I said the politics are just icing on the cake of shit
Let’s see a list of artists that cite him as an influence
You won’t cause he’s a joke
Why can Jimmy Page Alex Lifeson Jeff Beck Frank Zappa Steve Vai Eddie Van Halen The Edge Allan Holdsworth and Robert Fripp get into Guitar magazines?
Because they aren’t hacks.
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His music sucks because it’s vanilla butt rock.
I don’t care about his politics- his music sucks.
Exactly and I’d really be shocked if this was the first time anyone told him “ Hey Nugents music sucks”
I mean come on already with the false Nugent fan victimization...oddly enough Kid Rock is just as bad.
I was like 13 and knew Nugent sucked
ZZtop Isn’t in the same category and I’m ok with stuff like Thin Lizzy... still crunchy RnR ... neither my first choice of listening but both much better than Nugent ever was
I personally agree Nugent's product is nothing great, at all. It's nothing I ever bought, or even leave on the radio if a song came on. It's ok if others think differently, like all pop music, it's just a matter of taste. But most mainstream ears, of all political persuasions, probably would agree he's not great.
But come on, there's hundreds of unworthy crap acts that still got/get significant airplay, sold tons of albums / cds in the day, sold and still sell well in concerts etc. Someday, a fair number of them will get nominated or inducted too, because that's what this thing is for. And if they are progressive in their politics, there will be no harsh words from David Crosby for them.
But come on, there's hundreds of unworthy crap acts that still got/get significant airplay, sold tons of albums / cds in the day, sold and still sell well in concerts etc. Someday, a fair number of them will get nominated or inducted too, because that's what this thing is for. And if they are progressive in their politics, there will be no harsh words from David Crosby for them.
I thought Nugent sucked way before I knew what his politics were. I always assumed his record company gave program directors booger sugar to play his songs back in the 70's and 80's.
I mean, inevitably some bobblehead like Katie Perry will similarly be mentioned for something like this, since she sold a ton of sh*t too like Ted Nugent. And assuming he's still alive, if Access Hollywood or whatever would ask David Crosby what he thinks of her, he won't sneer and call her a hack. He'll surely say something like "oh, I think she's just marvelous."
David Crosby should focus on the one thing the two have one thing in common; they both like guns.
You can find lots of opinions on Ted if you're on music blogs and message boards.
I tend to trust those like this guy below who has played guitar for 45 years rather than a bunch of hack free message board people who can't get PITT football right!
There's are many messages like this! No politics, pure music lovers!
But The Druid of the free PITT message board proclaims Nugent su-cks and he's a Hack??LOL! Really!
Druid how many rock n roll bands have you played in and I bet you haven't been hunting hogs in TX or been to the range lately. LOL! Ted has and that's why you don't like him.
Most of you on this site are living legends In Your Own Minds!
Bill Rainbolt, Guitarist/musician for 45 Years
Answered Feb 17, 2019
Some interesting answers here but most focus on Ted’s politics and not his guitar playing. To be honest, I agree with some things he says just not HOW he says them, and I don’t go to concerts to hear anybody’s politics, left or right. Just the music please. And there are plenty on the left that can’t leave that alone either. If I was a snowflake I might take offense to the “right wing nut job” comments above…
As a guitarist Ted is one of the best. I have played for 45 years and am considered an above average Rock player. I have listened to Ted since he was in the Amboy Dukes and he was a sig...
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I tend to trust those like this guy below who has played guitar for 45 years rather than a bunch of hack free message board people who can't get PITT football right!
There's are many messages like this! No politics, pure music lovers!
But The Druid of the free PITT message board proclaims Nugent su-cks and he's a Hack??LOL! Really!
Druid how many rock n roll bands have you played in and I bet you haven't been hunting hogs in TX or been to the range lately. LOL! Ted has and that's why you don't like him.
Most of you on this site are living legends In Your Own Minds!
Bill Rainbolt, Guitarist/musician for 45 Years
Answered Feb 17, 2019
Some interesting answers here but most focus on Ted’s politics and not his guitar playing. To be honest, I agree with some things he says just not HOW he says them, and I don’t go to concerts to hear anybody’s politics, left or right. Just the music please. And there are plenty on the left that can’t leave that alone either. If I was a snowflake I might take offense to the “right wing nut job” comments above…
As a guitarist Ted is one of the best. I have played for 45 years and am considered an above average Rock player. I have listened to Ted since he was in the Amboy Dukes and he was a sig...
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Like I said earlier in this thread, the best acts of all genres should be in the HoF. The Nuge's problem is that if you asked people who generally like classic rock, or whatever category you want to call what Nugent did/is doing, to rank say their top ten acts of all time pretty much none of them are going to put Nugent on the list.
That's his problem. It's not the politics (which I am sure don't help). It's that there are so many other acts that do pretty much the same thing as he did musically that most people think did it a lot better.
The funny thing (at least to me) is that SiriusXM a month or two ago did their "top 1000 classic rock songs of all time" list and played the list for a week or two on one of their channels. I don't have the list in front of me at the moment, but I don't think that even one Ted Nugent song made the list.
Because, as I said, there were so many other acts doing the same or similar things at the same time who were doing it better. In some cases, much better.
Forget his music, which is, to be kind, forgettable. Calling Nugent a patriot? That disgusts me. He openly talks about how he “beat” the draft with phony bedwetting and other cons to avoid Vietnam. As someone who didn’t avoid the draft and served in Vietnam, I have much more respect for those who went to Canada than I do for a draft dodger like Nugent. He was — and is — a gutless coward. Calling him a patriot makes me sick.
I guess it's who you are, and what you like. Mr Ted Nugent has as song # 86 out of the top 500!
I've also read rock n roll surveys where Ted is nowhere?
Mrs Buffett and I are rock n rollers attend a lot of shows every year. We have Journey coming up at Hard Rock, ZZ Top at Penns Peak, Thorogood in progress, along with Def Leppard in Montreal.
For example you might think a woman is hot and I'll take a pass on her!
Same thing with music!
I do agree with JoethePantherFan. He presented the most logical and intelligent argument ( as always) that there are a ton of rocknroll acts. Nugent is somewhere in the middle, very appealing to some but as a result of his politics and hobbies not appealing to many in the music world who rate and rank guitarists and bands!
Top 500 Classic Rock Songs of All Time: See The List
#100: Wish You Were Here by Pink Floyd
#99: Gimme Three Steps by Lynyrd Skynyrd
#98: Roxanne by The Police
#97: Break On Through by The Doors
#96: Saturday Night’s Alright For Fighting by Elton John
#95: Hollywood Nights by Bob Seger
#94: Honky Tonk Women by Rolling Stones
#93: Free Fallin’ by Tom Petty
#92: Bad Company by Bad Company
#91: Already Gone by Eagles
#90: Black Magic Woman/Gypsy Queen by Santana
Top 500 Classic Rock Songs of All Time: See The List
#89: Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen
#88: Dreams I’ll Never See by Molly Hatchet
#87: Pinball Wizard by The Who
#86: Cat Scratch Fever by Ted Nugent
#85: Space Oddity by David Bowie
#84: Born To Be Wild by Steppenwolf
#83: Miss You by Rolling Stones
#82: The Joker by Steve Miller
#81: Paranoid by Black Sabbath
#80: Renegade by Styx
#79: Give a Little Bit by Supertramp
#78: Instant Karma by John Lennon
#77: You Ain’t Seen Nothing Yet by B.T.O.
#76: Pride (In the Name of Love) by U2
#75: Do It Again by Steely Dan
#74: Barracuda by Heart
#73: Sister Christian by Night Ranger
#72: Small Town by John Mellencamp
#71: All Right Now by Free
#70: Just What I Needed by The Cars
#69: Ramblin’ Man by Allman Brothers
#68: In the Air Tonight by Phil Collins
#67: It’s Only Rock & Roll by Rolling Stones
#66: Blinded By the Light by Manfred Mann’s Earth Band
#65: Tom Sawyer by Rush
I've also read rock n roll surveys where Ted is nowhere?
Mrs Buffett and I are rock n rollers attend a lot of shows every year. We have Journey coming up at Hard Rock, ZZ Top at Penns Peak, Thorogood in progress, along with Def Leppard in Montreal.
For example you might think a woman is hot and I'll take a pass on her!
Same thing with music!
I do agree with JoethePantherFan. He presented the most logical and intelligent argument ( as always) that there are a ton of rocknroll acts. Nugent is somewhere in the middle, very appealing to some but as a result of his politics and hobbies not appealing to many in the music world who rate and rank guitarists and bands!
Top 500 Classic Rock Songs of All Time: See The List
#100: Wish You Were Here by Pink Floyd
#99: Gimme Three Steps by Lynyrd Skynyrd
#98: Roxanne by The Police
#97: Break On Through by The Doors
#96: Saturday Night’s Alright For Fighting by Elton John
#95: Hollywood Nights by Bob Seger
#94: Honky Tonk Women by Rolling Stones
#93: Free Fallin’ by Tom Petty
#92: Bad Company by Bad Company
#91: Already Gone by Eagles
#90: Black Magic Woman/Gypsy Queen by Santana
Top 500 Classic Rock Songs of All Time: See The List
#89: Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen
#88: Dreams I’ll Never See by Molly Hatchet
#87: Pinball Wizard by The Who
#86: Cat Scratch Fever by Ted Nugent
#85: Space Oddity by David Bowie
#84: Born To Be Wild by Steppenwolf
#83: Miss You by Rolling Stones
#82: The Joker by Steve Miller
#81: Paranoid by Black Sabbath
#80: Renegade by Styx
#79: Give a Little Bit by Supertramp
#78: Instant Karma by John Lennon
#77: You Ain’t Seen Nothing Yet by B.T.O.
#76: Pride (In the Name of Love) by U2
#75: Do It Again by Steely Dan
#74: Barracuda by Heart
#73: Sister Christian by Night Ranger
#72: Small Town by John Mellencamp
#71: All Right Now by Free
#70: Just What I Needed by The Cars
#69: Ramblin’ Man by Allman Brothers
#68: In the Air Tonight by Phil Collins
#67: It’s Only Rock & Roll by Rolling Stones
#66: Blinded By the Light by Manfred Mann’s Earth Band
#65: Tom Sawyer by Rush
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Forget his music, which is, to be kind, forgettable. Calling Nugent a patriot? That disgusts me. He openly talks about how he “beat” the draft with phony bedwetting and other cons to avoid Vietnam. As someone who didn’t avoid the draft and served in Vietnam, I have much more respect for those who went to Canada than I do for a draft dodger like Nugent. He was — and is — a gutless coward. Calling him a patriot makes me sick.
I didn't call him a Patriot and I wouldn't call many performers that.
Atleast some try to help out and others don't actually care about America.
I guess we're talking about music!
Most performers would fall into that same category.
Springsteen does the same thing and he's the biggest anti American on tour!
If we're rating musical Patriots its a real small list!
If we're rating musical anti Americans its a big,big, list!
So we have a choice listen or don't listen!
I guess we have a similar issue with Presidents don't we?
I didn't notice Bill Clintons or Obama's military service records or Trumps either but we pick who can be the best for America! I go with Trump!
McCain who had the best military record / patriot was a terrible politician and would have been a terrible president given his platforms.
Everybody is good at something its rare that someone is good at everything!
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No I agree with you Souf. But there are many others who also fit this description. Crosby singled him out because of his politics. I mean his politics makes me even cringe, but there are many other mediocre musicians in the HOF that Crosby also could have included.
To be honest, until this thread, I didn't know nor would ever even suspect he would be in the HOF. Is Cinderella next?
The only Ted Nugent song I could think of without doing a search is "Cat Scratch Fever". Ho hum, is an apt description of that song, for me.
After searching his top songs, I do remember hearing "Free For All", and it's even less than ho hum.
IMHO, his body of work is not worthy of HOF induction.
As with all art, your mileage may vary, and that's okay.
https://www.thetoptens.com/greatest-ted-nugent-songs/
After searching his top songs, I do remember hearing "Free For All", and it's even less than ho hum.
IMHO, his body of work is not worthy of HOF induction.
As with all art, your mileage may vary, and that's okay.
https://www.thetoptens.com/greatest-ted-nugent-songs/
Of course, this is true.
The irony of course is David Crosby, worshipped as a musician ... but as a human, is reprehensible. Abused women, booze, drugs ... richly deserved prison stint (maybe a couple?) ... usually in some degree of petty feud with bandmates due to being considered a prick ... repulsive glutton ... pretty much irredeemable. But it's ok with most, because he's progressive.
That’s just a list, man. It’s as subjective as anything. You might as well make a grocery list. It’s not proof of anything.
Personally, I think Nugent is a genius on the level of PT Barnum.
He gets people talking about him when maybe they wouldn’t talk about his music if he wasn’t such an outrageous character. I see him as something of a poor man’s Alice Cooper.
I don’t even know if he’s really a conservative as much as he is a provocateur? I think he likes guns and attention and he knows that if he says a bunch of crazy bullshit about one he will get a whole lot of the other.
I see him as a caricature of sorts. “Hey, listen here you communist pansies: I like tits, ass, guns and the USA! Who is with me and who hates America?“
That kind of crazy bullshit. There’s no intellectual meat on the bone, just nonsensical pablum.
However, I also think to maximize his window of fame for as long as he has without really producing too much in the way of brilliant sustaining art also tells you that it’s almost certainly a brilliant put on.
He gets people talking about him when maybe they wouldn’t talk about his music if he wasn’t such an outrageous character. I see him as something of a poor man’s Alice Cooper.
I don’t even know if he’s really a conservative as much as he is a provocateur? I think he likes guns and attention and he knows that if he says a bunch of crazy bullshit about one he will get a whole lot of the other.
I see him as a caricature of sorts. “Hey, listen here you communist pansies: I like tits, ass, guns and the USA! Who is with me and who hates America?“
That kind of crazy bullshit. There’s no intellectual meat on the bone, just nonsensical pablum.
However, I also think to maximize his window of fame for as long as he has without really producing too much in the way of brilliant sustaining art also tells you that it’s almost certainly a brilliant put on.
His music is boring too- but is influential
Politics have nothing to do with it
Yeah, I agree with this. I think Crosby probably is a horrible human being. Also, I have no doubt that his strong opinion about Nugent is at least partially influenced by his opinion of Nugent’s politics. I certainly wouldn’t want David Crosby as a neighbor.
However, and I’m only speaking personally, I definitely would hold CSN/CSNY in significantly higher regard than I would Ted Nugent. I honestly don’t think they are comparable as artists.
I don’t care about either guy’s political views.
Yeah, I don't care either. It's just the irony that a certifiable creep is admired because his views align with most media content definers and other artists, so he not only is he not shunned or ruined by his acts (as he deserves), he is given a forum to castigate other artists, which he obviously did here solely on basis of a character judgement. Again, the irony...
Is it possible that he’s more admired because he made legendary music?
Not everything is political
Who gave Crosby a forum?
Nugent wrote a tweet complaining about not being in the HOF.
Crosby responded with a tweet stating Nugent wasn’t HOF quality as a singer or musician.
Nugent wrote another tweet lambasting Crosby.
Same forum: Twitter. Anyone can use it.
Stop making shit up!
I don't think he was saying specifically his politics but that he was a fairly reprehensible human.
isn't that what you call a one hit wonder? my beef earlier in this thread was with Jethro Tull's omission...As far as a snub goes Nugent not even close as I can rattle off 6 or 7 songs (much more unique within the genre also) off the top of my head while one comes to mind with Nugent..
Truly, i don't know that he's totally that. Just that he's known for all those bad things. Other than music that many people like, there's never been anything positive I've read or heard regarding his character. He's likely done some nice things. But i'd figure Ted Nugent has done some too.
As far as music...I already said im not a nugent fan. Not a CSN fan either. What I've heard is ponderous, self-important. Was he in the Byrds, some of that isn't as bad. But generally I switch either Nugent or CSN off if they come on.
Generally speaking im sure most respect Crosby work more than Nugent. But im also confident Crosby and his associates get greater credit than they deserve for their work because they have acceptable politics. He wouldn't be alone in that regard. Ulterior motives abound in that industry. As someone moderate to conservative, I have long reconciled to the reality that if I want to enjoy music, or movies, tv, books etc, (and increasingly sports) I'll have to accept having politics I usually wont agree with pushed at me along with it. You do feel a bit hypocritical at times but I like those things too much, especially music. It's just how it goes.
I read, in his own words, what Nugent did to avoid the draft. One of the most disgusting things I've ever read. Bedwetting was probably the mildest part of it. For up to a month before his appointment at the draft office he did things like not showering and not changing his clothes and progressed to urinating and defecating in his jeans and vomiting on himself. All to convince the draft board he was insane. Which he probably was.
And nobody admires him for his personal life.
Back on topic
One was a legend.
The other an also ran.
The politics don’t matter-
Except to the constantly aggrieved majority
