It's hilarious how Steelers fans think that ONLY Munchak can save us. he was good, but he's just one guy, too much obsessing over him.
OT: Steelers hire former Falcons HC
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A crap load of pro bowlers?
By the calendar, we're in the unjustified optimism part of the cycle so no, not really.
So, they do nothing different? their pass patterns, play designs, formations, play calling, it's just the same as the Steelers with better players?
No, it's not just the offensive scheme being better players but having better players is always kind of a big deal.
And Munchak is a damn good OL coach.
The problem is I keep hearing they need to be "modern." Even the local media pundits beg for it.
I ask what is "modern?" When the 49ers are running a 1995 attack with tremendous success with a bunch of late draft picks, it causes me to pause and chuckle.
Purdy's stats kind of look like Tanneyhill in 2020.
I'm find with the hire but like all hires, a lot depends on Kenny.
True, but aren't there coaches who's scheming makes lesser player overachieve, definitely not a strength of the Steelers, "next man up, we do what we do, we'll let them know what's coming and dare them to stop us, mano a mano" macho Yinzer bu11sh1t.
A lot depends on Tomlin being willing to risk throws down the middle 15-20 yard and into the end zone, and on early downs in the red zone, even at the risk of losing the precious FG attempt.
Maybe modern is just a buzz word, maybe what the Steelers are missing and their problem mainly being too low of a risk tolerance! Like let Kwnny rip a pass on a crossing pattern into the middle of the end zone on 1st and goal from the 8 instead of running every single time, quit being scared and if Kenny fails, instead of changing the play calls to protect him, change the QB and keep calling the aggressive, high risk throws.
I'm not sure what your point is. Of course a good scheme is going to win more often than a bad one. You seem to be leaning hard into what SF is doing without understanding that their success leans heavily on running the ball.
Sure. There are definitely coaches who can scheme better. But you're drawing a line in the sand around "modern" that doesn't seem to mean anything except whatever arbitrary value you assign to it.
And for the record, I have no idea who this new OC is and I don't particularly care. I don't watch enough NFL to have a meaningful opinion on anyone under consideration.
If the Steelers had Deebo Samuel and Christian McCaffrey I'm pretty sure they'd look awesome no matter the scheme.
Look above, I posted that they run the most in the NFL, 45 %, It's not the quantity of throws it's the type, like a 15-yard pass in the air into the middle of the field in traffic vs. the safe 5-yard checkdown.
Tomlin's influence on the outcome a pass down the middle is miniscule compared to Kenny being able to both physically make the play and not mention his ability to see it.
If Kenny can't make a mundane, run of the mill, NFL play like that he needs to GTFO of town now! I don't care where he went to school.
Make up your mind, are these throws dangerous high risk or are they mundane? 😀
They are both. They are riskier than a 5-yard checkdown, but average NFL QBs regularly take the risk and fit the ball in there for completions, so yeah, they are both risky and something common that is tried and completed multiple times per game with a higher risk than a safe 5 yard pass to the flat.
The OC from Oregon looks very good. Power-Jackson I think? Good chance either he and/or the OT Mims from UGA are available. Won't help the OL but DB is a also a position of need and there are plenty of good ones there too.
There are a lot of QBs and WRs in this class and they'll push some positions of need for us down the board.
I would literally ascend to Heaven lifted by a choir of angels if we got 2 of Kool-Aid McKinstry/Cooper DeJean/Amarius Mims/Jackson Powers-Johnson.
It's the latter, along with the courage to let it go, that concerns me most.
One thing, Tomlin's in his 50's now, and has always been viewed as a "young dude" and player's coach. But it is definitely apparent he is more comfortable with let's say "more seasoned" coaches on staff.
Watch Kenny look 100 times better if the interior pass protection holds up consistently. But, with Smith as OC, Kenny isnt going to be expect to throw for 300 yards per game, and the typical average yinzer will still say Kenny blows because he won’t be putting up fantasy numbers.
Again, I don't know if it is Madden alone, but my god has the locals been poisoned on Kenny. And honestly, alot of that is also partially the fault of people on this board who just made every excuse for him when he did not play well.
I want him to succeed. But no way did I think he was a slam dunk coming into this league. While yeah, Canada, the OLine and even receivers did him no favors he just bails on plays way too much and don't see alot.
My question isn't so much physically, though no way do I think he has "plus" physical attributes for a QB, so because of it, the intangibles and reads that will have to be plus to make him succeed.
Tannehill threw 22 and 33 TDs with this OC, I would hope Kenny could throw 18-20? Tired of the idea that TD pass numbers don't matter, to me they do, even if just because I enjoy seeing TD passes. And besides what QB considered good these days doesn't throw 20 TD passes in a season.
You can be more creative when you have what is essentially the best RB Best Wr Best te and some of the better Wr in the game.
So sure the scheme is different because the players allow you to do different things.
Just like You can do a lot more with Mahomes than just about any other qb in the game. And even then they struggled on offense this year for the most part because their wr couldn’t hold on to the ball or stay on sides
There is definitely one guy on this board, let's call him P***79, no wait, that's too obvious, Pitt**, who won't be happy unless Kenny has a Sam Howell like season where he finally throws for 4,000 yards on over 600 attempts and the Steelers lose every game.
They throw a lot of short passes and let the talent get YaC.
You forgot Kittle and ayuk. But yeah it’s insane how much talent they have. And oh their OL isn’t too shabby either
We saw KP make those throws in crunch time in the forth quarter and against the bengals after Canada was cut. He can do it. The question is why hasn’t he done it more consistently. Is it his limitation or the play calling. I guess we’ll find out this year
I think this is fair. I don’t think anyone who’s defended KP thinks he’s the sure fire solution. I for sure have never said that.
Everyone knew before his senior year that he bailed too soon and didn’t seem to have good field vision
Then In his senior year he was much better in those areas. First he wasn’t constantly running for his life and second he had much better weapons to throw to. (Addison as a soph was much much better)
Any qb who is behind a porous OL will get happy feet. When Canada left the play calling was better and they kept defenses off balance a bit more. That helped the OL as well. Well that and they played some of the worst defenses too
I’m all for opening up the competition and letting the best qb start. But I suspect if KP does win the job back it will be because Tomlin doesn’t want to admit he made a mistake As FK said unless KP puts up fantasy numbers the media and fan base will still rip in hi
There is not a single “modern”. Thing they do
Unless trading away picks to move up for an actual first round bust , after garrapolo trade who also took them to the Super Bowl .
The reason why Purdy played at all is because their other two QBs they invested in - flamed out
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We rarely even ran routes to the middle of the field - let’s be honest
If they do stuff from the 80s it's more modern and aggressive than Tomlin and the Steelers.
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