OT: Steelers Offense
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1 TD in 2 games .
He threw for 110 yards yesterday and 156 yards in week 1
Gtfo
Ok. Pro football reference and espn had the Cleveland game in his list of game logs, while excluding him vs the raiders and Ravens. So it appears he dressed vs Cleveland and the Steelers went into the game thinking he’d be a part of the offense instead of Gunner O, or Allan Robinson taking 40+ snaps. Probably confused the $hit out of a panicked Matt Canada.
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lol you cited Jefferson and Dionte resume .. so lets cite the resume of the OC's.
No one who knows football would ever be satisfied with this offense or its weapons. I should say lack of weapons. Justin Fields can be the answer, but, not with his current supporting cast. Only Pickens is a solid pro. They want to be physical and run the football. In this league you need balance. The offensive line should be a strength but they can't get that right. They won't play Broderick Jones at his natural position and he is beginning to show frustration.
In any event, if you want to have a real chance in a playoff game against a legit team, they need to add a good receiver and begin to open things up. What they are doing now is repeating last year. They are delusional to think they can go any further. I personally could give a shit less if they keep Tomlin's streak alive or even make the playoffs if there is no chance they can win. I would rather see them get a receiver asap and open it up in these games now. Who gives a shit if we win or lose? Find out what Fields can do, see if he can develop.
To me, they are a 2-0 joke. Tomlin will ride this defense and it won't hold up when we go 3 and out against teams with good defenses. The Steelers, thanks to Tomlin, can't be taken for real. If they were sincere about competing for superbowls, they would have acquired another good wideout. It's frustrating as hell being a fan, because they haven't had a competitive offense since Leveon and AB left, and they continue to fail to see the need to address it. They just continue to blow their salary cap on defense, and defense can't win it all anymore.
In any event, if you want to have a real chance in a playoff game against a legit team, they need to add a good receiver and begin to open things up. What they are doing now is repeating last year. They are delusional to think they can go any further. I personally could give a shit less if they keep Tomlin's streak alive or even make the playoffs if there is no chance they can win. I would rather see them get a receiver asap and open it up in these games now. Who gives a shit if we win or lose? Find out what Fields can do, see if he can develop.
To me, they are a 2-0 joke. Tomlin will ride this defense and it won't hold up when we go 3 and out against teams with good defenses. The Steelers, thanks to Tomlin, can't be taken for real. If they were sincere about competing for superbowls, they would have acquired another good wideout. It's frustrating as hell being a fan, because they haven't had a competitive offense since Leveon and AB left, and they continue to fail to see the need to address it. They just continue to blow their salary cap on defense, and defense can't win it all anymore.
Three OCs, a bunch of QBs, and the same dreadful offense. Tomlin is the one constant and at this point is fully accountable in my book for having to watch this team struggle to move the ball and score points on a weekly basis.
Why does Philly have all these designed runs for Hurts and the Steelers can’t design crap for Fields? Makes no sense.
I might be bitter because I had a 9 leg parlay yesterday for the steeler game and 8 of them hit, but the only one that didn’t hit was Fields rushing for 40 yards.
Even when Hurts drops back to pass, he doesn’t hesitate to pull the ball down and run .
Hurts is a much better passer and yet his legs are used a ton. Fields is half the passer and the offense has no plays designed for him and he refuses to uses his legs.
I might be bitter because I had a 9 leg parlay yesterday for the steeler game and 8 of them hit, but the only one that didn’t hit was Fields rushing for 40 yards.
Even when Hurts drops back to pass, he doesn’t hesitate to pull the ball down and run .
Hurts is a much better passer and yet his legs are used a ton. Fields is half the passer and the offense has no plays designed for him and he refuses to uses his legs.
Fields is exactly the type of QB you want for an OC to utilize his legs. He should be especially dangerous on the ground if Harris/Warren get going. It's almost like Tomlin only wants his offense to score 17 or less each week.
You mean the NFC favorite (besides niners) Philly that just lost to the Atlanta team you keep disparaging as an insignificant win for the Steelers?
But the one thing I will agree with is I'm surprised that in a league obsessed with the QB draw, we see so few of those for Fields. I don't know if it's just been bad situations or the don't have confidence in the interior line, but I'm shocked they aren't calling at least 4 of them per game.
Fields lol is far better than “half” the passer Hurts is, he is a very accurate passer with a strong arm. His problem has been turnovers and pocket presence.
Hurts has far better targets and a way better offensive line and STILL you are starting to see him begin to falter. Eagles fans will be on his case big time before this season is over.
Hurts has far better targets and a way better offensive line and STILL you are starting to see him begin to falter. Eagles fans will be on his case big time before this season is over.
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Justin fields can be the answer if he becomes a better than. Mediocre quarterback at his bat
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They don't want to risk Fields getting hurt and having to play Kyle Allen.
I've seen it on some blogs. There was also that narrative when he was acquired so it's not like it hasn't been said. And I do expect the Steelers to re-sign him. It will be heralded as a brilliant move by the sycophants because it will be on the low end of starting QB salaries and it's not like there will be other fantastic options.
Why are we perpetually splitting hairs like this in some kind of pointless effort to establish that one dud is/was a better QB for the Steelers than another? Can't we just accept that they are both duds?
This just in: it wouldn't make any meaningful difference whether the Stillers rolled out Pickett, Russ or Fields this season. None of them are good, and neither is the Stillers offense and personnel.
i've seen a lot of nonsense on blogs. it's some guy making stuff up, doesnt exactly make it the unanimous voice of the fanbase..
but that aside, i have no idea what you do. i think this fields we are seeing is it, there is no greater things going to magically appear in the future. he's been around long enough, given a big enough sample size to know what you have. and he's ok, wont beat you with his arm, can beat you running but nfl qbs who's only strength is running, dont last too long.
For the offense they run now which is ultra conservative Fields is more than fine. For the past few years (even with Ben other than the fourth quarter when they threw out the play book and Ben took over) their passing game is pretty much dink and dunk and safe passes to the sidelines with the occasional pass deep they chuck up to Pickens and hope he makes a circus catch or gets a PI called. Fields brings an added safe dimension of being a running back who can occasionally make a big play with his feet.
I've heard the Tomlin cheerleaders in the national media even say that Tomlins strategy is to play it close to the vest and hope for a splash play in the fourth quarter to win the game. So keeping Fields under wraps so he doesnt make the game killing mistakes he made in Chicago fits perfectly with what Tomlin wants.
This strategy keeps the mediocre Mike streak in tact but will not win many playoff games.
This is going to go on for years (see Dixon, Jamie). And if Pickett never becomes a successful starter the fan boys will be saying the Steelers ruined him.
Pickett will get another shot unless hes as bad as some think he is and this entire argument will be put to rest one way or another.
good post and i said the same thing. this strategy, with this defense and offensive skill players (or lack there of), this game plan will get you 9+ wins in this mediocre league..
problem is, you dont stand a prayer when you play against a good team in the AFC playoffs who actually has a qb with a heartbeat. but we are the steelers and getting to 9-8 with a first rd loss is the new standard..
And the Eagles do? We know who their backup is. Maybe they love their Hurts insurance policy.
The strategy sucks and a QB who is just "fine" was deemed too problematic to keep. Fields ain't even supposed to be the guy but "the guy" doesn't want to play and is getting a pass on his on-again, off-again, injury for some reason.
Not sure when the standard became whatever this is but muddling through a lackluster schedule to have a winning record and either just miss the playoffs or just lose again isn't good enough. Shouldn't ever be unless you're Cleveland and even they've won a playoff game in the last six years.
well it is what it is man, and you arent alone in your criticism. that is the standard though, this isnt your father's steelers anymore...
id suggest blaming the head coach but you arent allowed too because, well, well you know.
Its Tomlins version of Bob Nutting. Do enough to keep up his image without going all in.
Really don't buy that. I don't think he's capable of utilizing what he has correctly and that's not new. Doesn't hire good staff, there is an overemphasis on acquiring defensive talent that has led them to reach for guys on draft day while ignoring needs, and when they do have some talent, the don't really know what to do with it. Pretty obvious they should be using Fields to run but they want him to sit in the pocket. Just dumb.
You have to realize to some - it’s always about Tomlin .
Tomlin forgot how to have a qb throw 5 TDs in consecutive games
I was joking... and you nailed it.......... the last good coordinators he had were Cowhers left overs.
Even now as we speak, dumb ass Rooney is sitting in his office complaining "why don't we run the ball more"? 1
Rooney and Tomlin want it this way, they don't even want good offensive skill players or a real QB, in fact I think Tomlin is relieved that Ben got too old to continue and now he has an excuse to never take risks throwing the ball.
And the whole outdated, obsolete, 1970s offensive [philosophy and OC with the 1970s mustache suck as well, Steelers are stuck in THE PAST, the correct course of action would be spend less of the cap on defense and hire the NFL equivalent of a Cade Bell as OC, and go full Costanza and do the OPPOSITE of "Steelers Football"
you cant do that without the players. it's a cart before the horse or is it chicken before the egg, whatever the hell it is, you cant have justin fields throwing it to van jefferson and cavin austin in a fast paced, sling the ball all over the field type of offense with a qb who cant throw and wrs who arent good.
you'd go 1-16 and be embarrassed weekly.. it just doesnt work that way.
To Tomlin's defenders, it's also always about Tomlin, you see Tomlin is a great coach and he'd get hired somewhere else immediately if he was fired, but so what? Good for him, sometimes the best replacement is simply SOMEONE ELSE, and just change things up because it's just rinse and repeat stale, TAKE THE RISK that it might be worse.
REBUILD, overhaul the whole roster, draft high a few years, spend a few years doing it, I won't feel bad about missing the excitement of a few more 9-8, 7th seed losses in the wild card game, I lived through 5-11 and 6-10 seasons before, I can do it again.
Yeah. Fields' pace puts him on schedule for 2,320 yards and 8.5 TDs over 17 games.
Pickett's stats last year extrapolated to 17 games would have put him at 2,932 yards and 8.5 TDs. Neither of these totals are good, but crowing about Fields is just beyond the pale.
Pickett apologists using Fields' inadequacies to justify Pickett's failures is such a weird flex..
both suck, can we now move on?
an overhaul like that isnt happening under this current regime. you bring in a new coach, maybe but that's not happening so lets just accept the new steelers' standards..
The Stillers run the type of offense Art II wants them to run.
Meh
I dont buy that. Its not like Tomlin is a wall flower or young coach. This is all on him. Its his show.
It's very weird that's how you read that. The point is that Pickett's numbers were bad in a bad offense, and Fields' numbers are even worse by some measures in what seems an equally bad or worse offense. Folks were losing their minds last year over Pickett and Canada, but "really like what they're doing" with Fields and Smith? Fields is putting up Mark Malone numbers.
It makes no sense to me. Fields + Smith, Pickett + Canada, Roethlisberger + Fitchner/Canada...nothing much has changed except the names. Lots of bad offense. Which suggests it's the man in charge who wants it this way or doesn't know how to fix it, because Tomlin is the only real through line.
Fields has 42 NFL starts. He's turnover-prone, but why bubble wrap him like he's a 20 year old rookie? He threw for 4 TDs last year against the Broncos. Let him play and find out what you have. Unless he's regressed badly in much the way that Mitch T. did when he came to Pittsburgh. Which again suggests there's something in the water on the South Side.
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