OT:steelers/Ravens
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We don't have the talent on defense to be able to play conservatively like we did for 3 quarters(against the playoff teams). Agree with your assessment 100%, in the playoffs they really should go no-huddle most if not all the games. They have the talent on offense to beat anybody. It's time to maximize that.
Don't think so with only 9 secs. left and No TO's . They would have to get lined up for another play...doubtful they do that given the way the players were spread all over the field and the Ravens lollygagging to delay the start of the next play.
Ha, ha, ha...you're a gas...straight from the account in the yinzer gazette...midget league QBs wouldn't have thrown those 2 interceptions...Fathead, continuing to prove he's on the back end of an over rated career. Fathead...
Two links that prove FatHead is a total loser and comes up small when he has to.
All Time:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_career.htm
Currently Active:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_active.htm
All Time:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_career.htm
Currently Active:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_active.htm
Steelers have an easy path to the AFC Championship game. They need the Patriots to blow it against KC.
You just said a guy who has been to 3 Super Bowls isn't that good.
Why just leave it at that?
People always seem to pass that around about Ben. A weird thing to just say someone is bad and not site at least a couple of independent references.
Well we saw it all. A couple awful throws to put us in a hole, then a couple great drives led by Ben. I still don't understand how he can look so bad at some times, but he showed one of the reasons why he is so great later. With the game on the line, you want #7 leading a do or die drive. Clutch.
Been to 3 and stunk in 2...correct...that's not good. That's a 66% fail rate, a FLUNK!
They get nowhere near those Super Bowls without him. Fact is, 2 Super Bowl wins.
Del, care to quit pissing around and name the QB's who are better and prove it with statistics?
I'll continue to bump this thread up every now and then to make sure you don't miss the request.
I'll continue to bump this thread up every now and then to make sure you don't miss the request.
Del is so obsessed with running to this board to type "Fathead Ben" over and over and over and over and....over....for years and years and years and years....that he fails to see the plays Ben makes that are special. The moving in the pocket. The buying time. 3 4th quarter drives with the division on the line? Are u kidding me?
Bradshaw was famous for redeeming himself like that. Epic by Ben last night. Epic
But but.....fathead....fathead Ben.....but, but
(Nope actually pretty damn good)
Bradshaw was famous for redeeming himself like that. Epic by Ben last night. Epic
But but.....fathead....fathead Ben.....but, but
(Nope actually pretty damn good)
Deep down, Del knows that Ben is a guaranteed first-ballot hall-of-famer.
But his severe dislike for the man makes it impossible for him to admit it out loud.
If you've been reading my posts regarding Ben, then you know that my position is simply that he's over rated- last night's game was illustrative of what you often times get from him. For 3 and a half quarters he was bad ; the 2 interceptions were inexcusable. Hell the TD pass to Brown showed his pooor judgment -no way do you throw that pass in that situation anywhere but the end zone. Brown doesn't make the miraculous stretch that game ends with the Steelers on the 1 yard line. More play like that from number #7 and the Steelers will go nowhere in the playoffs. Hell his own coaches didn't let him throw much for 3 quarters because they don't even trust him . Have you ever asked yourself why, if # 7 is as good as you think he is, the Steelers' staff spends so much time dicking around trying to run the ball if they have a HOF QB. You don't see the Patriots and Packers dicking around like that. They build the game plan around the QB. # 7 is too erratic to put the game in his hands for 4 quarters- simple as that. And those picks last night were exactly what the staff feared.
Getting directly to your question, the league sucks because there are so few hood QBs right now. The fact that # 7 may be one of the top 5 QBs today doesn't disprove my point. He can't carry Brady's of Rogers' jock which is the main point- those are HOF caliber QBs; Fathead simply isn't . Midget league QBs wouldn't have thrown those 2 picks- they were horrendous.
So you're even dumber than I thought on this topic. You acknowledge that he is top 5 in his generation at the position, which is what EVERYBODY says....but still somehow think he's overrated? How does that make sense.
And btw, Rodgers numbers are virtually identicle to Ben's in the playoffs.
He is literally in the top 10 all time in every passing statistic, and is one of only a few multi-time Super Bowl winning QBs.
The guy led three TD drives in the fourth quarter, including driving the length of the field with 1:18 to go to win the division.
You have no idea what you're talking about. In cases where you find yourself in a hole, you should drop the shovel.
Spare me the Super Bowl appearances-for the umpteenth time he stunk in two of them just as he stunk most of last night. Game balls to Brown and Bell, atta boy, to Fathead for at least playing like a starting QB in the 4th Q. 9 times out of 10 a team gets an L with the quality of QB play the Steelers got yesterday. The Trib writer who grades the Steelers every game gave Fathead a C+ for his play yesterday and that"s about right and that's about what we've seen from Fathead all year long. C+, not HOF! PS- I know exactly what I'm talking about: C+ for fathead; Nice Picks, Fathead-I would excoriate a HS QB for those 2 throws let
alone a starting pro QB.
Yes but when the chips were down and he started calling his own plays, they rolled. I am sorry, some of you don't know if a football is blown up or stuffed. Ben's biggest problem is the OC play caller who is horrible.
Fathead, however, has a lot of latitude in play calling like on the third and 4 at midfield late in the second Q when Fathead audibled into a run off tackle that was stuffed. Way to play with backbone, Fathead! If you think you're good, then play with some confidence and call plays that require you to do something instead of calling someone else's number. Chips were down, chips were down...the next time Fathead plays like he did yesterday, the season's over. I will grant you that in the 21st century Haley and the oratorio are the only two coaches still intent on establishing a running game regardless of the game circumstances but some of that is due to little faith in Fathead who, the more he throws, the more stupid mistakes he makes.
I think Del has proven there is no real conversation here.
It is just silly versus reason.
Del has proven his silliness on this topic.
It is just silly versus reason.
Del has proven his silliness on this topic.
Del only makes one legit point, though he makes it ad naseum ... Ben really does physically have a really enormous head circumference.
He's wrong about everything else though and clearly doesn't watch football outside of the Steelers. Every QB not named Tom Brady (greatest of all time) makes bad plays almost every game. It's what you do when it matters most that counts the most. Ben is often fantastic when the game is on the line. That's the most important quality of a great QB.
He played poorly in one super bowl, outstanding in another with one of the all time clutch drives, and looked like he was about to lead another all time drive when Mendenhall fumbled in another. His virtuoso performance leading up to that first Super Bowl was the only reason they even got that far so I can forgive the stinker in the big game since he didn't cost the team.
But it's important to note that they ALL fail from time to time. Tom Brady lost two Super Bowls and wasn't particularly good in either. John Elway was crap in two Super Bowls. Peyton Manning won two in spite of his play. Some have standards created in a fairy tale. But Ben does have a big head. You can tell he's really going to blow up when he retires. But he'll be a fat dude in the HOF on the first try
He's wrong about everything else though and clearly doesn't watch football outside of the Steelers. Every QB not named Tom Brady (greatest of all time) makes bad plays almost every game. It's what you do when it matters most that counts the most. Ben is often fantastic when the game is on the line. That's the most important quality of a great QB.
He played poorly in one super bowl, outstanding in another with one of the all time clutch drives, and looked like he was about to lead another all time drive when Mendenhall fumbled in another. His virtuoso performance leading up to that first Super Bowl was the only reason they even got that far so I can forgive the stinker in the big game since he didn't cost the team.
But it's important to note that they ALL fail from time to time. Tom Brady lost two Super Bowls and wasn't particularly good in either. John Elway was crap in two Super Bowls. Peyton Manning won two in spite of his play. Some have standards created in a fairy tale. But Ben does have a big head. You can tell he's really going to blow up when he retires. But he'll be a fat dude in the HOF on the first try
Easy grader and a yinzer..."A" grade for 2 picks a midget league QB wouldn't have thrown.. 9 times out of 10 a team whose QB played the way #7 played yesterday would have lost! Just bull$hit.
But we didn't lose and the reason we overcame those awful picks is because Ben is special. This has happened before. He can make a bonehead play or two and overcome it with greatness late. That's a sign of a great player (Aaron Rogers does this all the time too). Doesn't have his A game but does it when it matters most. I'd like him to have a 153 rating every game too, but your standards are too high. It looks like one QB playing right now is good enough for you. You don't remember what happens to really good teams when they are quarterbacked by Neil O'Donnel and Kordell Stewart types? Let's see how far the Chiefs go...
Would you rather be right or for the Steelers to win? I think deep down inside it might be the latter
Most comebacks by NFL quarterbacks in HISTORY.
Note the # of game winning drives. Yeah, he's over rated.
#2 active QB in game winning drives behind Brady.
Shaded players are active. Taken from NFL stats 2014, I think he's had at least one more
game winning drive since - on Sunday.
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Note the # of game winning drives. Yeah, he's over rated.
#2 active QB in game winning drives behind Brady.
Shaded players are active. Taken from NFL stats 2014, I think he's had at least one more
game winning drive since - on Sunday.
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Well for the record I wouldn't have given him an A- yesterday either. But you seem to want to conveniently ignore the fact that if you discount the two times he spiked the ball to stop the clock he was 14-15 for 164 and 2 tds in the fourth quarter. On any scale you devise that was an A++ quarter of football. 9 times out of 10 when a QB does that in the fourth quarter and leads his team on three consecutive touchdown drives his team wins the game.
True except, #7 was very fortunate on the last play-stupid pass that worked because of Brown's miraculous effort...the last play was once again another in a fairly long line of just purely dumb decisions by Fathead yesterday....a dumb decision that fortuitously worked. At least 95% of the time that play fails too. As I said earlier in the thread, game ball to Brown and Bell and an atta boy for Fathead for redeeming himself and actually looking like a starting NFL QB after three and a half quarters of subpar play.
You'll get no argument from me that they got lucky on the last play. That was a "no, no, no, no, yes!" play.
No, the Steelers won because Brown and Bell were special. Fathead stunk for three and a half quarters and kept Baltimore in the game and nearly handed them the game with his pathetic play. Yea, he's better than O'Donnell and Stewart but that doesn't make him special. His propensity for boneheaded plays will always prevent him form being a truly great QB. The next game he plays like yesterday will be the Steelers' exit game from the playoffs.
I mentioned it earlier in the thread, but nowhere have I seen mentioned that Weddle was jerking on Brown's facemask the entire time he was fighting for the end zone. Somehow the ref standing right there missed it.
Prevent him from being a truly great QB?
He is a first ballot HOF QB who is top 10 all time in every passing statistic. He has led him team to 3 Super Bowls and won 2 of them.
Compare him in the playoffs to Elway - better Completion Percentage, higher Yards per Attempt, better Passer Rating, better win percentage.
Compare him in the playoffs to Favre - better Completion Percentage, higher Yards per Attempt, similar Passer Rating, better win percentage, more Super Bowl rings.
Compare him in the playoffs to Marino - better Completion Percentage, higher Yards per Attempt, better Passer Rating, better win percentage, more Super Bowl rings.
Compare him in the playoffs to Jim Kelly - better Completion Percentage, higher Yards per Attempt, better Passer Rating, better win percentage, more Super Bowl rings.
Compare him in the playoffs to Steve Young - pretty much the same completion (61.5% vs 62.0%) percentage and passer rating (84.6 vs 85.8), higher Yards per Attempt, better win percentage, more Super Bowl rings (as a starting QB).
Compare him in the playoffs to Dan Fouts - better Completion Percentage, higher Yards per Attempt, better Passer Rating, better win percentage, more Super Bowl rings.
Those are all Hall of Fame QBs, by the way. No matter how you stack them up, Ben Roethlisberger is amongst the best to ever play the QB position.
But Del is more concerned about 2 plays in the third quarter of a game he won rather than the entire fourth quarter when he was great, including the game winning drive with under 1:30 left.
Did you watch the fourth quarter? To completely discount the role Ben played in the comeback is simply being stubborn for the sake of being stubborn. The guy threw something like 1 incompletion (not counting spikes)? Give the guy some credit.
No one is arguing that his poor play in part created the deficit, but he also overcame himself at the end. The other QBs In the NFL who would have come back and won that game can be counted on less than one hand. They all play sh*tty from time to time as well for 3 quarters or even a few games.
Seriously, who besides Brady and Rogers are decidedly better than Ben?
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