Well ... yes perhaps ... but we aren't going to bring in Cal are we. So who then is that great recruiter who can rise above?
OT: TCU lands #1 JUCO recruit, is from NZ
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I'm not convinced that Dixon's recent recruiting success is an indictment of a "Pitt Problem" per se. If he had moved to TCU and retained his staff, a staff that he defended and maintained in the face of criticism, and had recruiting success then I'd agree.
But he didn't. He completely overhauled his staff. Almost as if the staff changes came with the TCU offer. What I'd like to know is why. Why was Jamie willing, ready and able to make significant changes to his staff at TCU when he wasn't so inclined or capable in Oakland. There lies the rub.
Stallings' recruiting problems can be directly attributed to Stallings, and not necessarily indicative of an Program limitation. Could be coincidental. Could be evidence of a systemic shortcoming. I really don't think there is much concrete evidence one way or the other. Just a lot of conjecture.
I don't know who the next great recruiter is...I just know it's all about the HC ... always has been in every sport at every school.
I think the HC is the number one influence when it comes to recruiting. But I think you would be really whistling past the graveyard if you completely discount the impact and effect of assistants in the recruiting process.
Notice that the Cuse has droped off--but not as dramatically as Pitt. Boeheim and Dixon both believed the move to the ACC was bad for their respective recruiting. They were right. They believed they would no longer be able to land the good development players from the Northeast that they could when both teams were in the Big East. It is a big Pitt problem, IMHO.
But so has UConn and they most certainly can land good development players from the Northeast. Coaching matters, a lot. And I believe Boeheim is way overdue to retire.
I agree the assts. are important but they still pale in comparison to the HC. Assts. are more important when you have a HC who isn't himself a good recruiter, I. e. Dixon. Assts. come and go even at very, very good programs... The one constant at these programs is the HC
Yeah, Walt has really turned into being a true "FOP", Friend of Pitt. And to show how great of a city is, you have alot of people who have spent time here, but not from here that sure decide to live here when they have the choice to live anywhere.
That is also what I was thinking and is a concern going forward. But how do you fix it? What needs done to improve the Pitt "brand" and get over the recruiting hump?
Dixon needed a change of scenery. I wish I new what went south between him and Pitt. He brought in some pretty highly thought of assistants and recruits. It just seemed like after the Elite 8 run, he didn't know how to adjust his recruiting, philosophy, player development. It was going south even before the ACC news hit but that seems to have been the lynch pin. He was always a class act. Glad he's having success.
If you cant beat out PSU, SHU, and Providence for NE kids, you have issues much bigger than the conference you play in.
Yeah, actually, it's not. Not by a longshot. Montana is 16-5, winners of 9 straight and 11 of its last 12. Its only loss in that span is at Washington, 66-63. The same Huskies who are 15-6 overall and 5-3 in the Pac12.
Meanwhile, Vandy is 8-13 overall and 2-6 in the SEC.
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Well, how about records and performance? Does that mean anything to you? Because Montana is a good team that's a likely tournament team, and Vandy sucks. But that doesn't fit your narrative, does it?
He's not having that much success. His team is one of the major disappointments in college basketball so far.
Montana would’ve been Pitt’s best win.
They will be a tough out for someone if they make the tournament.
TCU beat out Baylor for the player mentioned. Baylor is one of the dirtiest programs going. Most times if a player is looking at Baylor, that player or his people, have a hand out.
Some other prominent cheaters were on his list as well.
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Alok specifically said in an article I read that he was headed to TCU because of Dixon's conne
Good to know I can disregard your basketball opinions on this board henceforth. If you don't think Montana is a good basketball team, then you don't know hoops. Period. If Montana wins its conference tourney and dances, no high-major team will want to see them in the bracket. They're a perfect pick for a 5-12 or 4-13 upset special type of game.
And while you're ripping Pitt for losing to Montana, Vandy has lost to Middle Tennessee State (16-5 just like Montana) and Belmont (17-6) this year.
Good to know I can disregard your basketball opinions on this board henceforth. If you don't think Montana is a good basketball team, then you don't know hoops. Period. If Montana wins its conference tourney and dances, no high-major team will want to see them in the bracket. They're a perfect pick for a 5-12 or 4-13 upset special type of game.
And while you're ripping Pitt for losing to Montana, Vandy has lost to Middle Tennessee State (16-5 just like Montana) and Belmont (17-6) this year.
No dixon cant recruit or win (the big games).
But hey look at the bright side we got the (entertaining) run and gun offense everyone wanted. And the 2-5,000 people who show love it.
But hey look at the bright side we got the (entertaining) run and gun offense everyone wanted. And the 2-5,000 people who show love it.
We lost to Syracuse (and everyone). And yet he is still headed to the tournament and we are headed home.
Wah, Wah, Wah! Please come back Jamie! Please! Who gives a $hit about Dixon? Do you like driving yourself crazy? He is gone! He bailed on Pitt when Pitt left the Big East. I still can see his face at the pressor the day we announced the move. I thought he was going to cry. You sick people can't admit he took the program down before he left. He should have left the day we announced the move to the ACC.
The only reason anybody gives a damn about TCU is to gloat and make our University look bad. The administration was in just as bad a place as it is now when Dixon was still here. They saw a Pete that was losing attendance and a team that was less competitive and the whole thing was spiraling downward. Their mistake was not offing Dixon whose heart was no longer in it, soon enough.
They let him crush the talent level of our team, and when things got bad enough and stale enough, they finally decide to move.
You Jacka$$es who are in love with Dixon, should probably be sending your hero some hate mail for leaving us with a program that is so beaten down it will take years to rebuild. Keep posting all those TCU happenings. I Hope Jamie makes a final four real soon so you all can have a brain hemorrhage in response to him leaving Pitt!
Wow ... what a shocker ... this thread went south.
I don't believe it!
I don't believe it!
This goes both ways.
You said: "The only reason anybody gives a damn about TCU is to gloat and make our University look bad." This is not the only reason. There are also posts still trying to point out Dixon's problems too.
I just wish we could put all Jamie Dixon posts, both pro or con, on a separate message board.
-Not exactly. He was friends with Steve Adams and from New Zealand. This is a player Dixon should of and did get. All of TCU's best recruits, meaning Top 100 players, are from the state of Texas outside of Fisher. And while they have landed their share of 4 stars, only 2 of them were Top 100 recruits.
-I dont see some giant uptick in Dixon's recruiting. Its better than Pitt was when Dixon was here his final years, but it isnt impressive like Vanderbilt, Oregon, or ASU and what those coaches are getting.
You have to keep in mind that there are a lot of people here who think that how good a team is is determined by the name on the front of the jersey, not by the talent and skill of the guys wearing the jerseys. I mean there's a guy who just yesterday said that beating a team that was in the top 25 last week wasn't even a "decent" win, because the name on the front of their jerseys isn't one that he recognizes.
DT, I couldn't agree more. I just get tired of those who still deify him and can't help themselves.
Jamie Dixon should be loved for what he did for the program. He should also be despised for what he did to it at the end. He should be treated like nearly every man treats his ex-wife(at lest those who have an ex). You love them when things were great. You hate them when they split on you and take half of everything you own and make life miserable going forward.
Jamie provided great excitement for Pitt fans for many years. At the end, just like an ex-wife would, he took our excitement and fun trips to the Pete away and found a new girl (TCU) to party with.
I don't understand the worship. I hate the Dixon threads, we all need to move on from our ex for good!
I get tired of posts and those who deify OR vilify him.
I realize you are referencing all on this board including me. That said, I have not initiated even one single post about our former coach. I have only felt the need to comment on those posts, by mostly the same guys, who continually point out that JIG.
I'm not suggesting that you did initiate these posts. But the posts that vilify him should be commented upon just the same as those who deify. And basically, that's why I wish all Dixon posts would just go away. They all end up with the same bickering.
Can you give an example of someone who deifies a former coach? I haven't read every thread, but that seems like a bit of an outrageous claim.
1985Pantherfan and Levance. Oh.....and the entire Penn State Alumni Association seems to deify a former coach.
So two people make the rest of the board lose their collective minds? Seems reasonable.
I don't really think levance2 fits the category. He just seems to REALLY dislike Stallings.
And the PSU reference makes absolutely no sense whatsoever in this conversation.
I don’t think there’s much doubt about why Dixon is recruiting better.
Ryan Miller is one of the better recruiters in the country, I don’t think anyone disputes that. I don’t know that much about David Patrick, but he is supposedly a great recruiter as well.
I wish he had both those guys at Pitt, willing to bet things over his last few years would’ve turned out different.
Ryan Miller is one of the better recruiters in the country, I don’t think anyone disputes that. I don’t know that much about David Patrick, but he is supposedly a great recruiter as well.
I wish he had both those guys at Pitt, willing to bet things over his last few years would’ve turned out different.
Oh goodness.....
Who starts threads when things go wrong for Dixon?
Was there a thread after he lost to Vanderbilt? How about when they lost 4 conference games in a row? When his overall conference record record had dipped 7-17? Nope....
Was there a thread started when he landed the top juco player? When they we’re undefeated in conference play, when they beat Wvu? Yep.........
Who starts threads when things go wrong for Dixon?
Was there a thread after he lost to Vanderbilt? How about when they lost 4 conference games in a row? When his overall conference record record had dipped 7-17? Nope....
Was there a thread started when he landed the top juco player? When they we’re undefeated in conference play, when they beat Wvu? Yep.........
Oh come on, I had to throw it in. PSU is the Webster's Dictionary for blind fan loyalty and deifying a former coach. And I mean literally, in every sense of the word, deifying.
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