It's not even close to the same for Pitt and Dixon.
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It's not even close to the same for Pitt and Dixon.
There was a thread with some folks gloating when his starting PG went down with a season ending injury, so it isn't completely one sided...
But yeah. Even I'm tired of these threads. There's nothing productive left to be said.
But they continually pop up...on both sides of the ledger. People can't help themselves to gloat with that "YOU ARE WRONG" mentality. I am fine if there was never another thread about our former coach here, unless we are playing them. Good. And bad.
Is this a joke? TCU was not a consensus top 25 entering the season, they were just outside the top 25. That is exactly where they sit now. They are 26 in KenPom, and just outside the rankings in the polls. 2 years ago they had 12 wins and fired their coach. They are exactly what they were expected to be, and when you factor in the fact that their six losses are by a combined 19 pts they've been exciting and competitive in every game they have played.
This is the part that I struggle, and why I continue to chime in (its really pointless because peoples minds are fixed), but why should he be despised for his final years? He had tourneys in 3 of his last 5 years, despite it being what some people describe as "horrible" "falling of a cliff" etc. He was a victim of his own success. His final years were as successful as any period that he or howland did not coach, it was the equivalent of the Evans years. You can both want more, and fully respect the job he did up to the last game, which though a terribly boring game was in the NCAA tournament, something we are unlikely to see in the near future.
Tough stretch coming up for TCU. Jamie usually goes into a February swoon before finishing strong late.
They are 3-5 and can lock up a bid at 8-10.
Next 5 are
@ OKST
Texas Tech
@ Kansas
Texas
@ WVU
Need to go 2-3 there
Last 4 are much easier
OKST
@ Iowa St
Baylor
KST
@ Texas Tech
2-3 then 3-2 should do it. Or 1-4 then 4-1. I see them going 9-9
They are 3-5 and can lock up a bid at 8-10.
Next 5 are
@ OKST
Texas Tech
@ Kansas
Texas
@ WVU
Need to go 2-3 there
Last 4 are much easier
OKST
@ Iowa St
Baylor
KST
@ Texas Tech
2-3 then 3-2 should do it. Or 1-4 then 4-1. I see them going 9-9
Even at 7 wins they would be on the bubble, but I think at 8 wins they get in. I see them going 4-1 at home, 2-3 on the road. 9-9.
Yea, the RPI has been Jamie'd as usual. 7-11 puts them on the bubble but the wrong side of it....but 2-3 wins in the B12T could get them in. But, yea 9-9 and a mid-range seed and 2nd round exit seems about right.
Villanova vs TCU in the 2nd Round in Pittsburgh is tantalizing
TCU has made the NCAA tournament seven times in 110 years. None since Bill Clinton was president. If Jamie makes it once in five years, he's way over-performing their historical mean.
He was a victim of his inflexibility and inability to recruit! All the rest is JIGer fantasy... which never stops. He ran the program into the ground. His last 4 classes were complete garbage. He couldn't give away a scholarship. Those are the facts. And by the way he used Pitt and ran away from the mess he made like a coward.
That's where a coach of his modest recruiting ability belongs .
The same David Patrick who was hired as an assistant at LSU? The same David Patrick who is the guardian of someone named Ben Simmons? The same David Patrick who was not brought back as an assistant to LSU once Ben Simmons went in the NBA draft? Maybe that explains why Ben Simmons spurned the blue bloods for LSU? Maybe that's a story we might hear about one day. ( can't believe no inquiry was
made into that ) Unless David Patrick is the guardian of another 6"10 kid that can ball, I wouldn't call him a great him a supposed great recruiter. I guess we will have to see how many big recruits his name gets linked to, and if he beats out Randy Bennett ( coach from St. Mary's that usually gets the best kids from Australia ) for Aussie kids or gets his scraps.
How do we know it won't be another 20 years if he makes it "once in five years"?
No joke. TCU returns its top 6 scorers from last year and was picked to finish 3rd in the B12 by in the B12 coaches' preseason poll. They were undefeated and ranked #10 after running undefeated through the usual Dixon Cupcake Row. They are 3-6 since conference play began with 3 of those losses to unranked teams and an OT win against another unranked team. Now that they've lost Jaylen Fisher, the prognosis for the rest of their season is grim.
Pretty sure the tournament committee won't be counting close losses as wins for selection purposes.
Ok, so sitting just outside the top 25, which is where they began the year is indicative of one of the most disappointing teams in the NCAA? Seems a little exaggerated to me. The Big 12 conference is likely the best overall conference right now, and Oklahoma is a huge surprise team. They have losses, but no bad losses, the worst loss is Vandy on the road but Vandy is better than their record (they played and lost to 4 ranked teams OOC).
I just don't think anyone outside of Pitt fans (who want to diminish Dixon) is looking at this season as a disappointment. TCU fans are thrilled at the success and packing their arena, the pollsters still have them just outside the top 25, bracketologists all have them in the tourney . They've missed some opportunities to really make a step forward, but they are in their 2nd year away from sucking so some would say that he is successfully turning the program around.
If someone posts something factually inaccurate about Dixon's time AT PITT, then I will respond. I couldn't care less how he is doing at TCU or how he hypothetically would be doing at Pitt right now.
Trying to paint him as a villain or as a scapegoat is not productive to solving our current situation. If he is 100% or 0% responsible for our current plight, he has no power or influence over the solution.
To be honest, I didn't even realize I was mentioned in this thread until now because I gave up reading it because it is so boring and unproductive.
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How else will the elevators get repaired if we don’t post about them online?
I'm with you. When people say "I could care less", I sometimes ask them how much more they could care, and they look at me like I just told them I was their father.
Drives me nuts the misuse of the English language that many people display in writing and in the spoken word. Where did these people go to school?
WHO CARES. About what TCU is doing quit crying about Jamie Dickie Dixon he picked coaching TCU over Pitt grow up
The issue might be negative f ucks on message boards.
This program wasn’t 5th out of 340 in wins over 12 years just because there were two coaches who were so amazing they won in spite of it.
It was a great university, in a great city, with passionate sports fans, in a great building, with an incredible student section....and oh yeah, a couple good coaches. From there a brand and tradition was built.
So let’s not pretend this is some horrible program. Recruits read his shit and start believing it. This post pissed me off, and that is hard to do.
No doubt change is needed somehow. But this is still the bones of a good program
You're living in la la land if you believe the demise of Pitt BB is attributable to what's posted on message boards.
I have 100 years of history that says we aren't a great program. Howland/Dixon was an oasis in an otherwise desert of a program.
The football oasis was in the 80s, and in football we have been Moses wandering the same desert for 40 years as well.
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