Horrible call.....but then to give up 4 PP goals. Yikes.
The VGK are out after losing 5-4 in OT.
Game 7 tragic.
The VGK are out after losing 5-4 in OT.
Game 7 tragic.
OT: Vegas Meltdown...
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Yeah pretty amazing to give up 4 goals on one PP. magnified more so by the fact it’s the 3rd period of a Game 7 where you’re up 3-0.
And it sounds like the refs weren’t even going to call any penalty initially. Bumped up to a major because of the seriousness of the injury.
And it sounds like the refs weren’t even going to call any penalty initially. Bumped up to a major because of the seriousness of the injury.
Yeah, that is a reactionary call to the result, not necessarily the penalty. They keep on making calls like that, you will see a player with a taped razor blade to make himself bleed to draw a major penalty. That is the danger of making a call based on the result instead of the actual infraction.
Then again......you don't have to give up 4 goals in one 5 minute major PP.
Probably shouldn't have been a major penalty but Vegas has no excuses in giving up that many PP goals.
Would like to know the reaction of Murray haters on how Fleury gave up that many goals late .
I'll hang up and listen .
Would like to know the reaction of Murray haters on how Fleury gave up that many goals late .
I'll hang up and listen .
Wha? Wha?? Wha??? Marc Andre Fleury gave up 4 power play goals in one major? No way. Fleury has always been the best goalie in every playoff series he has played in. Always. Never gave up any goals.
Seriously....what the hell was the Vegas coach doing? You would think after 2 PP goals, at least the 3rd, he would have called a Time Out to try and quell the momentum, but he never did. Not saying that would have worked, but at that point the ship is taking on major water. Give your team a chance to bail it out.
I like Fleury, I do, just reminiscent of a few melt downs he had in Pittsburgh as well.
I'll always believe the Penguins made the right choice in keeping Murray.
Wasn't Fleury's fault last night, I just like throwing this in the faces of Penguins' fans who cry about Murray.
I'll always believe the Penguins made the right choice in keeping Murray.
Wasn't Fleury's fault last night, I just like throwing this in the faces of Penguins' fans who cry about Murray.
That was a really crazy game. I followed the score on my phone periodically and with Vegas up 3-0 well into the 3rd, it looked academic. Next time I checked it was 4-3 Sharks and I couldn't believe it. When I clicked on the gamecast and saw all 4 were PP goals I didn't realize that there had been a major penalty called and all 4 goals were on the same penalty. I was wondering how Vegas could take 4 penalties in such a short time. I watched the highlights and the first thing is that cross-check by Eakin was nowhere near flagrant as the Tom Wilson hits on Pens players in the second round last year. It shouldn't have been a major penalty. While I'm sure Fleury would feel he shouldn't have allowed at least one of those, I don't think it can all be placed on him. And how could the Vegas PK allow 4 goals. How many times do you see a team get a 5-minute major and not score even once? Happens frequently. 4 is just an unfortunate fluke.
The penalty is the way the NHL should be calling it. Injury or not. But giving up four goals in five minutes is bush league.
Will be pretty wild if Washington goes down tonight. Would mean the top two seeds in both conferences were done.
Will be pretty wild if Washington goes down tonight. Would mean the top two seeds in both conferences were done.
Will be interesting, but you gotta think just like the NCAA's, after a 1st rd of upsets, chalk usually prevails.
I really like the Blue Jackets, but worry about the time off. I do think if the Caps win tonight, they will blitz the Isles.
Last night’s Game 7 epic between Vegas and San Jose was truly one of the greatest games in the history of the NHL.
I don’t say that lightly, but it’s true. Anyone who stayed up late enough to watch that game saw something spectacular happen.
I am obviously not a fan of either team but I could not go to sleep afterwards because I was so amped up by what I had just watched.
I don’t say that lightly, but it’s true. Anyone who stayed up late enough to watch that game saw something spectacular happen.
I am obviously not a fan of either team but I could not go to sleep afterwards because I was so amped up by what I had just watched.
This is a complex one because the penalty call was just plain ridiculous. It was every bit as bad as the non-defensive pass interference call in the Saints/Rams NFC Championship Game.
That was at most a two minute minor penalty and maybe not even a penalty at all.
Also, there is basically no way that San Jose wins that game without that major penalty being called because they would not have had the time necessary to score the 4 goals they did in a 5-on-5 set up.
That was a HUGE gaffe by the officials and there’s just no way around that fact.
However, I still ultimately put the blame on Vegas. I have no idea what they were doing there? It was like watching a train wreck in slow motion. You could feel it slipping away from them and Gerard Gallant simply would not call a time out.
Marc Andre Fleury gets paid a lot of money to make stops and he needed to stop one of those Sharks goals. Again though, which one of those goals was leaky or poor? I didn’t see any bad goals there. I saw a lot of terrible defensive zone coverage, but nothing that I thought, “He really should’ve had that.”
Maybe the Leblanc goal wasn’t great? It looked like Fleury may have lost his net a little bit on that one. The rest of those goals were all the result of great players by the Sharks and/or horrible defensive lapses by the Golden Knights (which is a weird nickname, BTW).
Honestly, as I was watching that meltdown last night, all I could think about was, “Welcome to the NHL, Vegas!”
Last year was like a fairytale season for them. Literally everything went their way all season long right up until the Final.
They were basically handed a championship level team right from the gate. That’s a pretty huge advantage!
However, that was also a severe anomaly and what happened to them last night is more in line with what it’s like to be an actual hockey (sports) fan. It’s occasional moments of ecstasy punctuated by years and years of devastating heartbreak!
I have watched the Stanley Cup playoffs for literally decades and I have never in my life seen anything like what I watched last night. It was awesome as a general fan of hockey, but if I were a Vegas fan, I don’t think I would’ve gone to work today. I think I would’ve been that devastated.
That was at most a two minute minor penalty and maybe not even a penalty at all.
Also, there is basically no way that San Jose wins that game without that major penalty being called because they would not have had the time necessary to score the 4 goals they did in a 5-on-5 set up.
That was a HUGE gaffe by the officials and there’s just no way around that fact.
However, I still ultimately put the blame on Vegas. I have no idea what they were doing there? It was like watching a train wreck in slow motion. You could feel it slipping away from them and Gerard Gallant simply would not call a time out.
Marc Andre Fleury gets paid a lot of money to make stops and he needed to stop one of those Sharks goals. Again though, which one of those goals was leaky or poor? I didn’t see any bad goals there. I saw a lot of terrible defensive zone coverage, but nothing that I thought, “He really should’ve had that.”
Maybe the Leblanc goal wasn’t great? It looked like Fleury may have lost his net a little bit on that one. The rest of those goals were all the result of great players by the Sharks and/or horrible defensive lapses by the Golden Knights (which is a weird nickname, BTW).
Honestly, as I was watching that meltdown last night, all I could think about was, “Welcome to the NHL, Vegas!”
Last year was like a fairytale season for them. Literally everything went their way all season long right up until the Final.
They were basically handed a championship level team right from the gate. That’s a pretty huge advantage!
However, that was also a severe anomaly and what happened to them last night is more in line with what it’s like to be an actual hockey (sports) fan. It’s occasional moments of ecstasy punctuated by years and years of devastating heartbreak!
I have watched the Stanley Cup playoffs for literally decades and I have never in my life seen anything like what I watched last night. It was awesome as a general fan of hockey, but if I were a Vegas fan, I don’t think I would’ve gone to work today. I think I would’ve been that devastated.
Should have been a 2 minute penalty at best. The Vegas coach should have been giving it to the ref loud and clear, Sully would have. Then maybe you get a call. The Vegas coach should have called a TO but didn't and San Jose kept the momentum. Fleury was very good up to that point.
I was impressed how both teams responded in the OT. Obviously Vegas had to be deflated the way they lost the lead, but it couldn’t have been easy for San Jose either after giving up the tying goal with less than a minute left in regulation. You’d think they’d both be a little tight, but the standard of play in OT was very high.
The call was horrible, not much more can be said than that.
Vegas will be back, still a very strong core and I look forward to seeing what a full season of Mark Stone brings. Goaltending may actually turn into a weakness. Fleury was overworked for much of the season, and wasn’t the same player he was last year. Subban sucks, he’s not the answer for the future.
To me Fleury’s low point in the series was the absolute stinker he let in in OT of game 6. Pretty much a total whiff by him on an unobstructed outside shot.
The call was horrible, not much more can be said than that.
Vegas will be back, still a very strong core and I look forward to seeing what a full season of Mark Stone brings. Goaltending may actually turn into a weakness. Fleury was overworked for much of the season, and wasn’t the same player he was last year. Subban sucks, he’s not the answer for the future.
To me Fleury’s low point in the series was the absolute stinker he let in in OT of game 6. Pretty much a total whiff by him on an unobstructed outside shot.
And in another game 7 OT, Canes take down the Caps halfway thru the 2nd OT. Good win by the Canes, they pretty much carried the play all of both OT periods.
For whatever reason, I saw a lot of Carolina this year. They’re no joke and their resilience is unbelievable.
WOW. What a game. Caps out. CAPS LOCK off. No repeat champs. Caneiacs rejoice.
I was watching that game last night like I had a rooting interest (well I did I guess) heart was pounding. Carolina completely dominated the OT and I was afraid the Caps were going to get a bounce.
Man, Mr. Game 7, Justin Williams. Again.
I was watching that game last night like I had a rooting interest (well I did I guess) heart was pounding. Carolina completely dominated the OT and I was afraid the Caps were going to get a bounce.
Man, Mr. Game 7, Justin Williams. Again.
I was watching thinking the same thing, Canes are dominating these OT periods but can’t get one in the goal, Caps are going to steal it with a quick goal off a breakaway, fortunate bounce or some other sudden opportunity.
Short answer, yes.
However if we’re heading down this road, how many 3-1 series leads has Murray squandered? With Fleury I can think of at least 2. Similarly, he’s more than a decade older than Murray. Due to these reasons and a plethora of others it’s an apples to oranges comparison but I’m sure you know that.
I thought the same until late in regulation when that Cane poked the puck away from the crease behind Marazek. I knew it was all Canes after that.
There's a bigger NHL issue happening here. It may be a one year fluke, or it may not. If it's not, it's a big problem. Here's a list of names who are done playing for the season with three rounds of playoffs still ahead either by elimination or not qualifying:
Sidney Crosby, Alex Ovechkin, Nikita Kucherov, Connor McDavid, Steven Stamkos, Austin Matthews, Johnny Gaudreau, Evgeni Malkin, TJ Oshie, John Tavares, Alexander Barkov, Brayden Point, Leon Draisaitl, Claude Giroux, Patrick Kane, Jack Eichel, Phil Kessel, Jonathan Toews etc.
After one round 19 of the 25 top regular season scorers are at home. The four or five players most often in the conversation for best in the game are at home. Conversely, as the NBA enters their second round they'll likely have 16-17 of their top 25 scorers involved depending on how the last two first round series finish.
There's certainly some offense left in guys like MacKinnon, Marchand, Panarin and San Jose has a defensive group that can bring the offense as well, but if this isn't a fluke it's the game turning back into the neutral zone slop that helped usher in the late 90's crapfest that ultimately led to rule changes to help generate offense. Last years Caps team is gone, but Barry Trotz isn't, and if you're a fan of hockey or offensive hockey, that isn't a good development. What is good is some teams who haven't been this far advancing and building popularity in those markets, but the same thing was said in 1996 when Florida smothered their way to the finals. That market still sucks. It will be interesting to see how things develop from here, but hopefully this is just a fluke season and not a similar reaction to what happened following the 80's and early 90's high scoring era.
Sidney Crosby, Alex Ovechkin, Nikita Kucherov, Connor McDavid, Steven Stamkos, Austin Matthews, Johnny Gaudreau, Evgeni Malkin, TJ Oshie, John Tavares, Alexander Barkov, Brayden Point, Leon Draisaitl, Claude Giroux, Patrick Kane, Jack Eichel, Phil Kessel, Jonathan Toews etc.
After one round 19 of the 25 top regular season scorers are at home. The four or five players most often in the conversation for best in the game are at home. Conversely, as the NBA enters their second round they'll likely have 16-17 of their top 25 scorers involved depending on how the last two first round series finish.
There's certainly some offense left in guys like MacKinnon, Marchand, Panarin and San Jose has a defensive group that can bring the offense as well, but if this isn't a fluke it's the game turning back into the neutral zone slop that helped usher in the late 90's crapfest that ultimately led to rule changes to help generate offense. Last years Caps team is gone, but Barry Trotz isn't, and if you're a fan of hockey or offensive hockey, that isn't a good development. What is good is some teams who haven't been this far advancing and building popularity in those markets, but the same thing was said in 1996 when Florida smothered their way to the finals. That market still sucks. It will be interesting to see how things develop from here, but hopefully this is just a fluke season and not a similar reaction to what happened following the 80's and early 90's high scoring era.
I agree with a lot of what you say but Carolina is extremely young. Some of them will become household names in short order. Boston has some top 6 guys that are nothing to sneeze at and Dallas has a ton of firepower.
You’re absolutely right in that some of the clutch and grab nonsense is back but this year will most likely turn out to be the fluke that we’re hoping it is.
You’re absolutely right in that some of the clutch and grab nonsense is back but this year will most likely turn out to be the fluke that we’re hoping it is.
The NHL has traditionally benefited by having minor markets participate in championships. Pittsburgh and San Jose are good examples. As much as it "hurts" not having your stars playing, it also helps foster excitement in new markets which is something the NHL desperately needs.
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No doubt there are some emerging stars still playing and as I said in the post, it's good to get other markets involved. That said, there isn't a scenario imaginable that would find the NBA in a similar situation one round into the playoffs. I'm not saying they're the standard in terms of a league, but they know offense sells and they cater to skill which ultimately sells the game. My point is this years fluke scenario is worth paying attention to because it's not a path the NHL should want to follow long term.
The NBA is a very top heavy league so the comparison isn't direct.
I understand what you're saying about the NHL and I think it would be a problem for a lot of leagues. To be honest, the league doesn't cater to its stars and isn't necessarily built around them. It never has been.
He’s not rational.
His absolute blind love and faith in Murray makes him say stupid things .
You can't compare leagues. The NBA first round dogs have virtually no chance of winning a playoff series. The fans of those teams know it would take a once in 25 years miracle for them to win. The fans of the NHL teams know that anything can happen in the playoffs, hot goalie/hot goal scorer/injury or bad penalties and the underdog advances.
Ummmmm no. YOU represent a lot of really stupid Yinzer hockey fans with your ridiculous criticism of Murray, because in between all of the lines of your criticism was implicit tone of "the Pens picked the wrong guy". And maybe not you, but you live here, you have heard and read comments, people absolutely and completely ignored and absolved Matt Murray's two Stanley Cup performances. I actually heard people say "Murray never won anything without Marc Andre Fleury", like MAF was there doing it for him.
They completely ignored his contributions. And yes, MAF had absolutely his greatest year last year and cemented his HOF bust no doubt, Murray was not good last year, and to start this year, he was worse than "not good", he was goddamn awful. But he rebounded, his numbers since December are as good as any goalie. And still no credit. He lost in Rd 1. As did many top, All Star, even HOF level goalies like Marc Andre Fleury in Rd 1.
I am just saying, can we now put this silly pettiness to bed? It's over.
Woodrow, I consider these playoffs pretty much a fluke. I am torn on one hand, I think it is great for some of these markets, just like we have seen with Nashville and Vegas to see some success to help them grow. Good on Columbus, Carolina, Dallas, congrats to the Isles. But the team if you really have a heart, to root for is the Blues. The Blues are one of the "Second Six" (Pens, Flyers, Kings, Blues, Cal Seals?? and Minnesota, now Dallas Stars). The Seals are extinct, but the Blues are the only one of these franchises remaining who have yet to win a Cup.
As for style, you know my opinion. Anything involving Lou Lameriello, I am rooting against, his Devils teams set hockey back 20 years ago. Trotz is another disciple of this boring hockey, just with the Caps he had too much talent to go "full Lou", now with Lou and without the talent, he is perfectly in his element. And just to show you these luddite Canadians just can't help themselves and don't get it, Pens Asst Jacques Martin is the front runner and likely next coach for either Buffalo or Ottawa. Martin is a fine coach for the Pens, but he is in charge of the defense. Defense. Defense. Yawn.
Murray’s play has nothing to do with fleury.
You can’t help but make a total meltdown of fleury in game 7 as an idiotic proxy argument to absolve Murray giving up 3 goals a game and being swept .
I talk about Murray’s play because it’s not good enough to carry the team and frankly lost plenty of games.
You and pittcity are stupid as hell when it comes to Murray .
This thread is the perfect example of it.
I’ve never talked about fleury to criticize Murray .
Because fleury is ancient history .
I talk about Murray to talk about Murray .
The only petty behavior is the arch Murray goof balls.
6 goals in 4 games and I am a goof ball by placing blame elsewhere? OK there genius. Sorry, you look more stupid each time you try to dig this hole. Jackoff
His gaa in the regular season was the same as the post season
Burns from sj stopped 58 of 59 shots in game 6.
He won the series for sj.
That’s what a goalie is supposed to do.
For those keeping track, Fluery surrendered 4 goals on 6 shots during the major penalty but I think it’s devolved to a peepee contest at this point.
That's pretty good. Burns is nominated for the Norris, I guess he should be nominated for the Vezina.
Expecting a goalie to save 58 out of 59 shots is like expecting a basketball player to score 55 points, or a baseball player to hit 4 home runs. Yeah, "supposed to". Okay. Brent Burns was awesome in goal.
Game 1. Jackets/Bruins. Just can't get into it. I figured the Jackets would have some rust. 7 game series are just so long, if they go that long. So many momentum turns.
After all those OT dramas.
After all those OT dramas.
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