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[SoufOaklin4Life]

You didn't comment about the experience thingy?

That wasn’t inferred in that we graduated the same year with the same degree from the same school.
In fact she has an extra residency experience I don’t have .


Experience is a wash

 

[pittdan77]

So you know of a company or companies who said we have this job open so lets hire women and pay them less than men ?
Women with the same education, experience, knowledge, certifications, skill set, competencies, fitness for the job, schedules as the men??
Any organizations that I'm familiar with hired the best person ( at all levels) regardless of gender, religion, race, or country of origin to be competitive and the best in their field.
Who would let a competitor hire the best person due to some ridiculous prejudice?

First off most HR executives are women, and know federal employment law.

Second company executives can lose their jobs doing this and companies can incur
large financial penalties if found guilty.

Third most companies can't get enough women to apply for jobs in all areas.

My company paid women a premium to take some jobs, moved them into
management early to give them an incentive to stay with the company,
provided family relocation, compensated them if they required expensive family care, job search for a spouse to be sure they would take relo job.

Of course there are some small scummer operators who might not follow federal law but that's not the norm.

Some people play with numbers when a company moves an inexperienced woman into a job
that was occupied by a 40 yr veteran with a lot of knowledge.
In these cases the new employee of any gender will make less and work their way into the top tier comp range!
The above isn't a case of gender discrimination.

Additionally when a women's sports league makes less than a men's sports league in the same sport the women can expect to make less than the men.
The women can fix this by attracting equal or more revenue than the men.

Most women understand this concept!
Some don't but their the outliers.

Thank you for the primer on HR law but what I've witnessed on a personal level, that just isn't the case. Regardless of the dog and pony show, there's always a reason to say someone isn't qualified or that they don't have experience.

Also, any argument that "HR executives are women" is kind of hollow. Nobody is harder on women than other women.

 

[pittdan77]

Here's the thing, I know for a fact a company I worked for hired and paid some women engineers over their male counterparts because "they check the boxes" (we did some government contracts).

That's generally where the flaws in the data comes from. It's a game companies play in order to meet predefined compliance criteria. Otherwise, you get tossed for "non-compliance".

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

That wasn’t inferred in that we graduated the same year with the same degree from the same school.
In fact she has an extra residency experience I don’t have .


Experience is a wash

No. You forget to factor in the awesomeness and superiority factor of you being you.

 

[Panther Parrothead]

The "it's not the right time to talk about this" response is the same one that opponents of gun control use every time there is a shooting. It is an attempt to avoid discussing the issue at a time that the issue is at the top of peoples' consciousness. In fact, that is exactly the right time to discuss it, just as during the World Cup is exactly the right time to discuss the compensation issue. This discussion would not be happening on this board if it was not getting the prominence that came from the World Cup. Those who want to get an issue before the public always choose the best time to make their case, and that is their choice to make. They do not need the permission of the rest of us on the timing.

Thank you. Your gun control analogy is better than anything that I could've said.

There's a window of time that opponents of a cause can't wait to shut. They know that if you stall the discussion from happening long enough, the topic eventually vanishes.

Similar, but waaay different: I'm not Jewish, but in college I had a Jewish roommate. During one of those late-night, dorm room discussions over a beer or two, my roomie explained to me why Jews were always talking about the Holocaust. Paraphrasing, he said that the moment that the Jewish community stops talking about the Holocaust becomes that moment when the Holocaust starts to be forgotten or denied - and could some day be repeated. Being a naive college kid in the '70's, I didn't fully "get it" at that time; but being much older and (hopefully) wiser, I sure do understand it now.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Physians are typically salaried

So it’s a moot point

So you don't think that if you have two people who are salaried and one consistently works more than the other that the person who works more is going to get larger raises than the person who works less?

Seriously?

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

just as during the World Cup is exactly the right time to discuss the compensation issue.

Actually the correct time for them to be discussing their compensation was when their contract was up and they were in the process of agreeing to a new one.

You know, kind of by definition.