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OT: What is the 5 states you most DON'T want to live in??

I hate to rule any place out because all places have good and bad of everything. I’ve traveled a good bit and have seen bad and good basically everyplace.

But one thing that keeps me in the WPA region is that we largely avoid the extremes that many others get, like hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, and really massive cold and snow or really oppressive heat. You can deal with politicians you don’t like (and work to change them) and you can change your job and neighborhood, but the things above can’t be changed.
 
We live in Kansas City (MO) and drove out to K-State in Manhattan for a football recruiting visit, which is close to the middle of the state. The furthest west I’d been was KC up until that point; people tried warning me how boring the trip would be. Somehow, it failed to meet even the lowest of expectations I had for it. :oops:

The Kansas City suburbs on the Kansas side are nice, though. Overland Park is booming. Once you get past Lawrence, however, you are in no man’s land.
Yeah, Lawrence is really charming
Reminds me of a Midwest Chapel Hill, nc
 
Alaska - I simply could not deal w the lack of light ...

Pretty much any eastern or central state north of PA - I can barely tolerate the three season cycle here, four four months of fall, four months of winter, one month of spring and three months of summer.

The hillscrew south, WV, KY. etc.

I'd move south along the coast or southwest, maybe west coast up to Oregon if I had a choice.
 
1.Alaska / don’t want that much darkness
2. Alabama- stopped once on a drive / couldn’t leave fast enough
3. Dakota- should only be 1 state (but really any of those north central states seem terrible )
4. Oklahoma - agree seems like a hell hole
5 Nebraska - hell hole with extreme weather
 
I hate to rule any place out because all places have good and bad of everything. I’ve traveled a good bit and have seen bad and good basically everyplace.

But one thing that keeps me in the WPA region is that we largely avoid the extremes that many others get, like hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, and really massive cold and snow or really oppressive heat. You can deal with politicians you don’t like (and work to change them) and you can change your job and neighborhood, but the things above can’t be changed.
True ... we should be ok on water in the near future, too.
 
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I kinda like South Carolina.
My post was mostly in jest; mainly to say that I’m exactly where I want to be.

There are quite a few places in SC that are nice. Georgia has a bunch, too.

I’ve lived two places in Pa; four towns in WV; two in Va; and two in NC.
 
My post was mostly in jest; mainly to say that I’m exactly where I want to be.

There are quite a few places in SC that are nice. Georgia has a bunch, too.

I’ve lived two places in Pa; four towns in WV; two in Va; and two in NC.
North Carolina is very nice - we spent 14 years there .
Never know where career takes ya though
 
I hate to rule any place out because all places have good and bad of everything. I’ve traveled a good bit and have seen bad and good basically everyplace.

But one thing that keeps me in the WPA region is that we largely avoid the extremes that many others get, like hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, and really massive cold and snow or really oppressive heat. You can deal with politicians you don’t like (and work to change them) and you can change your job and neighborhood, but the things above can’t be changed.
I agree with you. I’ve lived in California, Texas, Indiana, and Michigan, and liked them all. They were all different, but actually the people were more alike than most think.
 
I agree with you. I’ve lived in California, Texas, Indiana, and Michigan, and liked them all. They were all different, but actually the people were more alike than most think.
People are more alike than we think all over the world. Unless you are some fundamentalist devotee of a religion (and this applies here too) people are fairly the same, at least in industrialized/modern societies. Same wishes and wants. I can't say always the same problems, but it is why the images of the Ukrainian War struck home moreso than say the bombing of Aleppo, because we saw ourselves.
 
Every state seems to have at least on decent area. Like, Kansas blows but Lawrence is actually a really nice town if you can get past the weather which is almost always awful. There are plenty of places I wouldn't want to live but my top five would be absolute, nopes.

1. Florida - Been there numerous times and have always hated the place.
2. Texas - The hubris of the inhabitants gets annoying.
3. Alabama - There are reasons for stereotypes.
4. Nevada - Just a lot of nothing with a couple of tourist traps.
5. Louisiana - Everything is musty.
 
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Curious how it would effect your day to day life other than taxes being higher which is certainly a valid criteria. Other than that though, your life wouldn't be any different
That's just it. We have allowed the cable news media to sell politics as religion. And people think their lives depend on it. I always have asked from Clinton to Bush, Bust to Obama, even Obama to Trump, "how did it really affect your daily life"?

I mean I have been to countries where elections truly do have serious consequences. What concerns me, is we seem to be headed in that direction now.
 
Yes. Traffic is hideous, but much alleviated as so many people are fed gov and telework so it's not so bad anymore. It was awful before Covid. It was alway predictable unlike ny/nyc but the quality of life is outstanding in Fairfax county.

DC and Baltimore have grown apart-DC is booming and I will no longer go to Baltimore due to crime. It was an outstanding city but it truly is too dangerous to venture into. DC is a good time and relatively safe.

don't think it could live anywhere but mid Atlantic I could see retiring in Utah Colorado Arizona New Mexico. Love west coast travel.

texas nj Fla and cal too big too crowded

NOVA bias. everyone in NOVA thinks they're too good for baltimore. so weird. the crime is in 3 parts of the city. every time. just don't go to those 3 parts. just like any idiot wouldn't walk around SE DC after dark.
 
NOVA bias. everyone in NOVA thinks they're too good for baltimore. so weird. the crime is in 3 parts of the city. every time. just don't go to those 3 parts. just like any idiot wouldn't walk around SE DC after dark.
I love Baltimore but it is in utter shambles. I hope it come back. You'd have to be crazy to go to the inner harbor. The police and politicians are worse then New Orleans.
 
I love Baltimore but it is in utter shambles. I hope it come back. You'd have to be crazy to go to the inner harbor. The police and politicians are worse then New Orleans.

there was never any good reason to go to the inner harbor outside of the nice views, etc. restaurants are mostly terrible. but it's fine. there's no nightlife down there so no idea why you'd be there after hours. you can still go to the better places at night and not have trouble.

honestly, i have really good friends from NOVA and it's really just NOVA snootiness. baltimore may as well be in egypt for you guys. and i don't personally love baltimore or anything (i'm closer to annapolis). not being from here, it's just odd to see.

leadership really is a mess, though. new-ish mayor seems to be on the up and up after a litany of absolutely stupid criminals. sheila dixon - the one of noted stealing holiday gift cards meant for poor kids, is actually being used in campaign ads here (as in, she's to be trusted!). it really is wild.

i've had the occassion to meet o'malley and he's sleezier in person than you'd expect. but he was actually a decent mayor for baltimore. i don't think he's a criminal - just comes across AS a politician, in the bad way you'd imagine.
 
there was never any good reason to go to the inner harbor outside of the nice views, etc. restaurants are mostly terrible. but it's fine. there's no nightlife down there so no idea why you'd be there after hours. you can still go to the better places at night and not have trouble.

honestly, i have really good friends from NOVA and it's really just NOVA snootiness. baltimore may as well be in egypt for you guys. and i don't personally love baltimore or anything (i'm closer to annapolis). not being from here, it's just odd to see.

leadership really is a mess, though. new-ish mayor seems to be on the up and up after a litany of absolutely stupid criminals. sheila dixon - the one of noted stealing holiday gift cards meant for poor kids, is actually being used in campaign ads here (as in, she's to be trusted!). it really is wild.

i've had the occassion to meet o'malley and he's sleezier in person than you'd expect. but he was actually a decent mayor for baltimore. i don't think he's a criminal - just comes across AS a politician, in the bad way you'd imagine.
I loved fells point and federal hill atwa Still do. I'd go several times a year with my kids to childrens museum, inner harbor, aquarium, great food and beer. 1990-2010/15 it was great. I just don't feel safe anymore. The mayors and police are awful. I'm not from nova but I do love it. Live in Reston. It's laid back and not elitist imo. Great falls/Alexandria and Arlington I'm sure part are.
The mayors and police chief have been so bad except the one they canned that is now the chief in Fairfax and was in we own this city. now people are fighting with squeegee men
 
there was never any good reason to go to the inner harbor outside of the nice views, etc. restaurants are mostly terrible. but it's fine. there's no nightlife down there so no idea why you'd be there after hours. you can still go to the better places at night and not have trouble.

honestly, i have really good friends from NOVA and it's really just NOVA snootiness. baltimore may as well be in egypt for you guys. and i don't personally love baltimore or anything (i'm closer to annapolis). not being from here, it's just odd to see.

leadership really is a mess, though. new-ish mayor seems to be on the up and up after a litany of absolutely stupid criminals. sheila dixon - the one of noted stealing holiday gift cards meant for poor kids, is actually being used in campaign ads here (as in, she's to be trusted!). it really is wild.

i've had the occassion to meet o'malley and he's sleezier in person than you'd expect. but he was actually a decent mayor for baltimore. i don't think he's a criminal - just comes across AS a politician, in the bad way you'd imagine.
I think they really believed that people wanted to live in Fells Point and places like that. They really tried to gentrify everything they could but it just isn't that sort of city. Most of the neighborhoods were working class and they seemed to forget that. Everything else mirrors what I've seen.
 
I love Baltimore but it is in utter shambles. I hope it come back. You'd have to be crazy to go to the inner harbor. The police and politicians are worse then New Orleans.
They should make a TV show about Baltimore! But I would hope it be on cable so they can get more realistic and not whitewashed by network TV
 
I think they really believed that people wanted to live in Fells Point and places like that. They really tried to gentrify everything they could but it just isn't that sort of city. Most of the neighborhoods were working class and they seemed to forget that. Everything else mirrors what I've seen.

people do want to live there, but it's when they're young. i know so many people who wanted to live there but when they start having kids, out they go. i suspect that happens in a lot in cities but my suburban neighborhood is littered with those types. my wife lived beside JH campus before we got married.

canton is one place people stick around. and locust point.
 
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I loved fells point and federal hill atwa Still do. I'd go several times a year with my kids to childrens museum, inner harbor, aquarium, great food and beer. 1990-2010/15 it was great. I just don't feel safe anymore. The mayors and police are awful. I'm not from nova but I do love it. Live in Reston. It's laid back and not elitist imo. Great falls/Alexandria and Arlington I'm sure part are.
The mayors and police chief have been so bad except the one they canned that is now the chief in Fairfax and was in we own this city. now people are fighting with squeegee men

i hate the aquarium. well, i hate the people there. it's always overbooked - you can't even turn around in there.

we had a squeegee kid (15 yo) shoot and kill a motorist last week. guy got out with a bat and attacked a bunch of kids. will be an interesting trial. sad that a 15 yo feels the need to own a gun (and USE one).

i actually rarely go into baltimore. once or twice/year. i go into DC more than bmore at this point.
 
people do want to live there, but it's when they're young. i know so many people who wanted to live there but when they start having kids, out they go. i suspect that happens in a lot in cities but my suburban neighborhood is littered with those types. my wife lived beside JH campus before we got married.

canton is one place people stick around. and locust point.
That tracks. Johns Hopkins area is really nice. My buddy lived in Fells Point prior to all the changes. I liked it.

So far as not feeling safe, that's all perspective. I can't name a single big city that ever made me nervous. They're all what they are but Baltimore isn't even close to the worst.
 
That tracks. Johns Hopkins area is really nice. My buddy lived in Fells Point prior to all the changes. I liked it.

So far as not feeling safe, that's all perspective. I can't name a single big city that ever made me nervous. They're all what they are but Baltimore isn't even close to the worst.

it all depends on where you go. you can go to any big city in the world and if you take a wrong turn at night, it's not going to feel very good. but most people never have a need to visit those places.

i lived in catonsville before my wife and i got married. at night, i sometimes drove through west baltimore to get to JHU area. probably wouldn't have been a great situation if my tire popped and i needed to get out of the car. again, there are those parts in any city in the world.
 
i hate the aquarium. well, i hate the people there. it's always overbooked - you can't even turn around in there.

we had a squeegee kid (15 yo) shoot and kill a motorist last week. guy got out with a bat and attacked a bunch of kids. will be an interesting trial. sad that a 15 yo feels the need to own a gun (and USE one).

i actually rarely go into baltimore. once or twice/year. i go into DC more than bmore at this point.
Sadder that an adult man attacked kids with a bat, I’d say
 
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Sadder that an adult man attacked kids with a bat, I’d say

sad. no one is saying if anything led up to that, other than the guy being a total ahole. perhaps he was provoked.

even so, i don't know why you wouldn't just move on about your day. i just assume everyone is packing these days - cut me off in traffic? fine by me. i'll smile and move along. i'm not getting shot for stupid stuff.
 
I lived in Baltimore near JHU in the early 1990s. Loved it. I used to love driving up St. Paul's and Charles streets. stoop housing. Saw Jon waters at a bar once.

Roland Park is great
 
True
You may have a lower taxes but the trade off is more politicians dictating your private life and decisions from “small government” folks who will literally vote for constitutional amendments to restrict it
LOL
 
#1. Florida - Too Hot
#2. Flroida - Too Humid
#3. Florida - The Housing Market is Crazy around Miami
#4. Florida - The People are Lunatics
#5. Florida - Pretty Sure Driver's Licenses are Dispensed from Vending Machines, But Not Car Insurance

Guess where I have to move in the next 18 months because of work.
An uncle moved there a few years ago and had the same idea going into it. He says he found ways to deal with the H&H or has adapted. He was also shocked at the people and how nice they were after living in Illinois for 30 years. Everything associated with dealing with the state and local governments is lightyears better that anywhere else he's been (PA, Ill, Wisc). It is a HUUUUGE difference from being up north. He lives 20 min inland Bradenton. He's gone 180 degrees and is now retired there.
 
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