Palm: Pitt in Last 4 In

[Sean Miller Fan]

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I mean, as of right now, I don't disagree. Everyone's resumes are pretty light and we have 2 wins over NCAAT caliber teams, both on the road (though not sure road wins matter this season). I expect that we're still in for some lean times without Champagnie but this is still fun for the moment.

FWIW: 6 ACC but no Duke. Duke's resume is awful. NET in the 130s. No good wins. They could be in trouble. Duke/Kentucky would make a heck of an NIT Final in my May NIT Final Four in Wheeling

 

[pittchagg]

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I mean, as of right now, I don't disagree. Everyone's resumes are pretty light and we have 2 wins over NCAAT caliber teams, both on the road (though not sure road wins matter this season). I expect that we're still in for some lean times without Champagnie but this is still fun for the moment.

FWIW: 6 ACC but no Duke. Duke's resume is awful. NET in the 130s. No good wins. They could be in trouble. Duke/Kentucky would make a heck of an NIT Final in my May NIT Final Four in Wheeling

It might be easier to win road games this year, but they’re still going to count for more in the NET just like they would in a “normal” year. Two quad 1 wins in 8 opportunities isn’t anything to laugh at.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

It might be easier to win road games this year, but they’re still going to count for more in the NET just like they would in a “normal” year. Two quad 1 wins in 8 opportunities isn’t anything to laugh at.

I thought they'd keep it the same but man, they shouldnt. Thats gonna mess up a lot of metrics.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

I thought they'd keep it the same but man, they shouldnt. Thats gonna mess up a lot of metrics.

They already give too large a boost for road wins to begin with, and with them making no changes to the formula this year it really is going to throw things way out of wack.

 

[JD1976]

Mike DeCourcy also has Pitt in at the moment...

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Mike DeCourcy also has Pitt in at the moment...

Yeah, but that's obviously wrong. I mean it has the greatest basketball conference in the history of the known universe getting nine teams in, and the weakest ACC in the history of round objects also getting nine teams in, and there is just no chance what so ever that anything like that would even be theoretically possible.

 

[FireballZ]

#MikeDontKnowBasketball

 

[pittjas]

Yeah, but that's obviously wrong. I mean it has the greatest basketball conference in the history of the known universe getting nine teams in, and the weakest ACC in the history of round objects also getting nine teams in, and there is just no chance what so ever that anything like that would even be theoretically possible.

Yep. Plus he has the SEC only getting 6 in... he must not know that the SEC has double the total coaching power of all the other P6 conferences together...

And he must not know that Pitt was only going to win 2 games the rest of the season after Champagnie got hurt...

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

And he must not know that Pitt was only going to win 2 games the rest of the season after Champagnie got hurt...

And that would only be if they got lucky!

 

[9nationalchampionships]

Crazy season with home court not being much of any advantage without fans. We have 3 outstanding road wins already. Looking forward to getting the whole team back and see what it looks like.

 

[Elsalvador]

It just feels right for Pitt to be back in this discussion. Now gotta root like heck for teams around Pitt's record to start losing. Root for the teams that are in the Top 25 to beat up on the teams equal to Pitt.

 

[levance2]

In my continued pledge to beat dead horses: That loss to St. Francis is going to haunt us. An easy gimme win turned into a horrible loss. Pitt at 7-1 right now with only a loss at Louisville would look very competitive.

With the short seasons and focus on conference opponents, I think Pitt has a lot more risk in losing games they shouldn't than trying to pick up good wins. Pitt isn't going to be "penalized" for losing to Duke or UVa, but a loss to BC or WF will be ugly.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

In my continued pledge to beat dead horses: That loss to St. Francis is going to haunt us. An easy gimme win turned into a horrible loss. Pitt at 7-1 right now with only a loss at Louisville would look very competitive.

I would think that at 7-1 we would probably be getting a few votes in the polls next week.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

It just feels right for Pitt to be back in this discussion. Now gotta root like heck for teams around Pitt's record to start losing. Root for the teams that are in the Top 25 to beat up on the teams equal to Pitt.

While its great to see Pitt land in these early mock brackets, I still think this team is going to struggle to win many games without Champagnie so I'm not ready to start "bubble watching."

As for what Levance said, I'm also not ready to say "man that SFPA loss really cost us" because I don't think this team is anywhere close to an NCAAT team. But I sure hope Im wrong.

 

[Bethlehemjohn]

While its great to see Pitt land in these early mock brackets, I still think this team is going to struggle to win many games without Champagnie so I'm not ready to start "bubble watching."

As for what Levance said, I'm also not ready to say "man that SFPA loss really cost us" because I don't think this team is anywhere close to an NCAAT team. But I sure hope Im wrong.

I am not saying the I am sold that we can make it, but what team that is on our schedule the rest of the year can't we beat? There is none, but there is also probably nobody we can't lose to either. Overall I think we have a decent shot.

 

[DT_PITT]

I am not saying the I am sold that we can make it, but what team that is on our schedule the rest of the year can't we beat? There is none, but there is also probably nobody we can't lose to either. Overall I think we have a decent shot.

I agree ... we just have to find a way to be consistent shooting the basketball and keep turnovers down. If we can keep rebounding like we have, lots of things are possible.

And while I agree that being in the field at this moment is next to meaningless, I'd sure as hell rather be in that out. Equally, it's been almost four years since we have even been listed in the NCAA field at any point, so if that's progress, I will sure as hell take it.

 

[Drew1208]

While its great to see Pitt land in these early mock brackets, I still think this team is going to struggle to win many games without Champagnie so I'm not ready to start "bubble watching."

As for what Levance said, I'm also not ready to say "man that SFPA loss really cost us" because I don't think this team is anywhere close to an NCAAT team. But I sure hope Im wrong.

Well hopefully they can steal a win or two before Champ comes back, who seems to be healing nicely rn. He's dunking already. These postponements have really helped us.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I am not saying the I am sold that we can make it, but what team that is on our schedule the rest of the year can't we beat? There is none, but there is also probably nobody we can't lose to either. Overall I think we have a decent shot.

Well, the ACC is historically bad so I agree there is no game we go into where I would say we have no shot. I just cant see us winning anywhere near enough for the NCAAT. I would be elated if we won 6 more and made the NIT if there is an NIT.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

the ACC is historically bad

This is one of those things that you figure if you keep repeating you might be able to convince someone that it's true. Both Pomeroy and Sagarin currently have the ACC as the 3rd best conference in the country. Every bracketology that I've seen out there so far has had either seven or eight ACC teams in the tournament.

You confuse having no great team this year with the league being awful. Because you don't know basketball.

 

[Ski11585]

This is one of those things that you figure if you keep repeating you might be able to convince someone that it's true. Both Pomeroy and Sagarin currently have the ACC as the 3rd best conference in the country. Every bracketology that I've seen out there so far has had either seven or eight ACC teams in the tournament.

You confuse having no great team this year with the league being awful. Because you don't know basketball.

Let’s all remember when the ACC gets 8 teams in that @Sean Miller Fan predicted half of that.

He also tried to argue that the Big 10 was the greatest conference ever last year. That was cute.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Let’s all remember when the ACC gets 8 teams in that @Sean Miller Fan predicted half of that.

He also tried to argue that the Big 10 was the greatest conference ever last year. That was cute.

I am also predicting 1 in the Sweet 16.

To the ACC's credit, the bottom has come up a bit it seems as there are no really bad teams. However, the "top" has also come down. We've been in conferences with multiple #1 seeds and 5-6 teams on the top 3 lines. Here's Palm:

Clemson: 4
Louisville, VT: 5
FSU: 6
UNC: 9
NCST: 11
Pitt: 12

BTW, he has Nate Oats The GOAT as a 5 seed. Remember I said Sweet 16 within 4 years? Will it only take him 2? SMF knows college basketball.

 

[BFo8]

I am also predicting 1 in the Sweet 16.

To the ACC's credit, the bottom has come up a bit it seems as there are no really bad teams. However, the "top" has also come down. We've been in conferences with multiple #1 seeds and 5-6 teams on the top 3 lines. Here's Palm:

Clemson: 4
Louisville, VT: 5
FSU: 6
UNC: 9
NCST: 11
Pitt: 12

BTW, he has Nate Oats The GOAT as a 5 seed. Remember I said Sweet 16 within 4 years? Will it only take him 2? SMF knows college basketball.

Arkansas is better than Alabama at this point.

 

[Bethlehemjohn]

Arkansas is better than Alabama at this point.

I don't like to take sides with SMF, but I'd take Bama over Arkansas right now.

 

[Bethlehemjohn]

I am also predicting 1 in the Sweet 16.

To the ACC's credit, the bottom has come up a bit it seems as there are no really bad teams. However, the "top" has also come down. We've been in conferences with multiple #1 seeds and 5-6 teams on the top 3 lines. Here's Palm:

Clemson: 4
Louisville, VT: 5
FSU: 6
UNC: 9
NCST: 11
Pitt: 12

BTW, he has Nate Oats The GOAT as a 5 seed. Remember I said Sweet 16 within 4 years? Will it only take him 2? SMF knows college basketball.

This is not the kind of ACC we are used to where they are 2 or 3 legit NCAA champs, but there are a bunch of pretty good teams. Right now the ACC has about 10-11 teams that could make the tourney.

 

[BFo8]

I don't like to take sides with SMF, but I'd take Bama over Arkansas right now.

I don’t know if I would or not to be honest, but it’s part of our Oats vs Musselman debate from a few years ago, and I can’t quit on it now. I still think Kentucky will be the best team in the SEC by season’s end.

 

[Blair_45]

Pitt’s NET Ranking is now at 60 after yesterday so if they can continue to stay right around there and maybe pick off another road game at GT on Wednesday this teams tournament chances will continue to improve. Only missing 2 games so far in 3 weeks without Justin has been important and hopefully he is getting closer to coming back and can be close to coming back by the end of January.

 

[Saboteur II]

Crazy season with home court not being much of any advantage without fans. We have 3 outstanding road wins already. Looking forward to getting the whole team back and see what it looks like.

I think the lack of fans is having a positive impact on the officiating. The refs are not being unduly influenced.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I think the lack of fans is having a positive impact on the officiating. The refs are not being unduly influenced.

"Unconscious bias" for lack of a better term represents almost the whole reason for homecourt advantage. Studies show home teams get a few extra calls per game on average. Referrees are human and are unconsciously influenced my home fans

 

[Drew1208]

Two things can be true. The ACC can be way down and still get a bunch of teams in.

As someone in this board expressed the mid majors don't have good resume's this year so that leaves a lot of room for major conference teams room to get in.

 

[joeydavid]

Weird that a Kentucky team that couldn't beat anyone OOC is walking through the greatest basketball conference in the history of the world 🤔🙄

 

[Ski11585]

Two things can be true. The ACC can be way down and still get a bunch of teams in.

As someone in this board expressed the mid majors don't have good resume's this year so that leaves a lot of room for major conference teams room to get in.

I don't think anyone is debating that the ACC is down. I think the issue is @Sean Miller Fan proclaiming it the worst conference ever. That's hyperbole.

 

[Drew1208]

I don't think anyone is debating that the ACC is down. I think the issue is @Sean Miller Fan proclaiming it the worst conference ever. That's hyperbole.

Oh I agree. Yeah I'm just saying that the ACC being down isn't a logical reason why they would get less teams in this year.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

It's down because there are no real national championship contenders. There is no top five or maybe even top ten teams. The depth of the conference isn't any different than it usually is. The teams in the middle are just as good as the teams in the middle always are. The teams at the bottom are just as good as the teams at the bottom always are.

That adds up to a league that is a little down from it's normal standards. The only way that someone could think that the ACC is historically bad this year is if they don't know basketball at all.

 

[BFo8]

The only way that someone could think that the ACC is historically bad this year is if they don't know basketball at all.

Calling bullshit on this, I mean we’re talking about SMF here and he knows basketball. Just ask him.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Just ask him.

But not anyone else!

 

[Drew1208]

It's down because there are no real national championship contenders. There is no top five or maybe even top ten teams. The depth of the conference isn't any different than it usually is. The teams in the middle are just as good as the teams in the middle always are. The teams at the bottom are just as good as the teams at the bottom always are.

That adds up to a league that is a little down from it's normal standards. The only way that someone could think that the ACC is historically bad this year is if they don't know basketball at all.

To be fair there are historic precedents being set this year relating to your point about about the top of the league. This has been the 1st year in , no team in the top 10 no top 15 that's a significant story but doesn't change how many teams the Acc gets in this year.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I don't think anyone is debating that the ACC is down. I think the issue is @Sean Miller Fan proclaiming it the worst conference ever. That's hyperbole.

The worst the ACC has ever been. Not the "worst conference ever."

 

[Ski11585]

The worst the ACC has ever been. Not the "worst conference ever."

Equally false and hyperbolic.