The biggest surprise to me in the game was the lack of sacks. Only one was called and it really was the QB running out of bounds 1 yard before the LOS. The OLs really played very well on both teams.
Penalty and kick decides the winner again
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That's the part I take most issue with. It was like bailing an off-balance fade away 3-pointer out with one second left on the shot clock. The pass simply wasn't going to be complete. JJS and Mahomes appeared to be on completely different pages as to angle and whatnot once the play broke down. Would have liked to have seen the refs exert a little discretion in that moment.
The grab and hold absolutely prevented a TD. It was definitely a penalty and a smart one for the DB to take under the circumstances. DB was beat and it was a timing route, just a little grab and hold and the timing is destroyed. So not sure what fans watching the game would prefer to see, the easy TD or the penalty enabling the Chiefs to use more clock before the winning score. I suppose if you're an Eagles fan using hindsight, the easy TD would have been better because the Eagles would have had some time to score. If you're the DB covering JuJu, you can't and wouldn't be thinking like a fan with hindsight. Your only job is to prevent the TD any way you can. Either way, it's all a legit part of the game.
No. It was literally the worst thing he could have done in that circumstance, as evidenced by them trying to let the Chiefs score on the very next play.
I just don’t see it that way at all. Yeah the chiefs lobbied for a penalty, but I don’t think there would be more than 10 people in the world complaining if it wasn’t called. He didn’t impede him and prevent Juju from the separation needed to catch that pass.
So, you can't JUST say "Defense Wins Championships" Because if you make those key stops, but still lose 35-17, then you lost because your offense can't keep up.
pittdan77
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Okay. the Eagles didn't get any stops in the second half and blew a double-digit lead. Only the second SB team to do that so it's pretty rare.
I hate to see NFL games go to PK's. College games, ok, because the kickers arent as good but for the guys that rip soccer, KC legitimately stopped playing to play for the PK. I dont blame them. Good strategy but it flies in the face of macho American sports. Great game, first and goal from the 2. Let's quit and and decide the game on a penalty kick
I suppose you think the Chiefs won because they made a couple of stops in the 2nd half? It had nothing to do with scoring 24 points right? Mybe if they had the Steelers offense they make the same stops, score 13 points at best and lose 35-27? Without the scoring ability do the stops win the game?
It would have been funny if the FG was blocked, since the KC RB had the walk in TD and gave it up.
I'm pretty sure a hold occurs before the ball is in the air. So the throw/overthrow has nothing to do with it.
Here I am months later, I'm still mad about the picked up flag for holding in the Pitt-Tennessee game. Eagles wish they had some SEC refs.
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Maybe it's just me, but I think holding someone does restrict their ability to create separation. But I'm sure there wouldn't be any controversy if JuJu had done his part more convincingly. I mean, I definitely feel cheated by his lack of effort. If he had fell to the ground immediatly and writhed around while holding his back as if Bradbrerry had knifed him, then I'm sure we could all agree there was a penalty.
pittdan77
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It's almost like you think what an offense does is not affected at all by the performance of the other team's defense.
It's almost like you think what a defense does is not affected at all by the performance of the other team's offense.
Yeah I agree. But Juju and NFL receivers have never ever ever been one for ridiculous theatrics. He got the call anyway.
pittdan77
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I'm not the one screaming that the offense is all that matters. I don't feel like you're accounting for the effort of the eleven guys trying to stop them.
I'm not saying the offense is all that matters! I didn't say "Offense Wins Championships:, you said Defense does, in todays game, I don't think it's fair to an offense that scored 38 points to tell them the D won it and not them.
This is the correct response. That pass had no chance to be completed, unless possibly it had been an all world sprinter with crazy speed, which JJSS definitely lacks. It was guaranteed incomplete. The refs should have definitely called a penalty for something that was a slam dunk TD that it prevented. But this was not. They should have had better sense of what they had there. A slow receiver not impeded in the least and a pass that was essentially thrown away.
I really don’t care, I don’t bet, and I didn’t favor either team. In fact it’s amusing to see Philly fans so outraged. They are douche bags. But this largely spoiled what had been a fine game up to that point, possibly a classic if Hurts had been given the final opp they deserved. The NFL has people talking about it today (and not about their awful, awful field quality) which I suppose is all they really care about. But for posterity, it is just too bad.
Holding is called before pass is thrown. Ref reached for flag and throws without knowing how close the play is to being successful. 5 yard penalty. Ball does not even need thrown to JuJu, could have been thrown elsewhere or even a sack or a scramble. Is always called when shirt grabbed. This one was a minor grab and iffy.
Catchable only comes into play on pass interference which is called when ball in air and is a spot foul.
Catchable only comes into play on pass interference which is called when ball in air and is a spot foul.
pittdan77
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I said defense wins championships?
And I don't think anyone is saying that KC's defense won the game for them. Especially when the QB got the MVP. They sure as hell helped win it, didn't they?
Of course not.
I guess he could have not committed a penalty, and gave up the TD. Then Philly would have had the chance to tie it
You're wrong. As another poster said, catchable only matters on a PI call. This was a defensive hold.
Take a look at the DB's right arm when JuJu starts his break. The hold was with the right hand. JuJu couldn't make his break to the outsiude where the ball was going. Classic hold. The left hand is on the back, so what. Seems some posters thought that left hand was the basis for the call. It wasn't. It was the right, and it was a significant hold.
But don't take it form me, take it from Bradberry:
“I was just trying to get some momentum going to go back with the wheel [route],” Bradberry acknowledged. “Of course I pulled on [Smith-Schuster’s] jersey, so they called it.”
Asked for his thought on the call, Bradberry offered a candid summary.
“I pulled the jersey, they called holding,” said Bradberry. “I was hoping they would let it ride, but it was a holding.”
And from an NFL ref:
“The receiver went to the inside, and he was attempting to release to the outside,” Cheffers explained. “The defender grabbed the jersey with his right hand and restricted him from releasing to the outside. So, therefore, we called defensive holding.”
Where are the SEC Ref's when you need them..lol..they would have said Ju Ju stumbled on his own and picked up the flag.
A field goal for the game winner was fine.
The Chiefs dominated the second half and the Eagles defense couldn't get a stop. With that said, that was as weak of a defensive holding you'll see. JuJu's route was barely impacted and there was no chance he was going to catch the ball even without the minor hold.
I look at it like this. Would I be more mad if he call was made or not made? I was ticked the game ended on a soft call. If they didn't call it, I would've thought nothing of it because it had zero impact on the end result of the play.
The Chiefs dominated the second half and the Eagles defense couldn't get a stop. With that said, that was as weak of a defensive holding you'll see. JuJu's route was barely impacted and there was no chance he was going to catch the ball even without the minor hold.
I look at it like this. Would I be more mad if he call was made or not made? I was ticked the game ended on a soft call. If they didn't call it, I would've thought nothing of it because it had zero impact on the end result of the play.
My work buddy was on a 200$ block poll . Had they took it in and with the extra point for the final he would have hit for 10K ... Ouch !!
What exactly would you want the ref/league to do? I mean, it was a penalty, the Eagles player even said so. There is no issue. Also, the Super Bowl decides the champion of the NFL, not the world.
Mike301...I really don't think that it needs any additional explanation and I will continue to express my opinion when I feel the need to do so.
Yeah I always thought it was stupid that the NFL refers to the super bowl champion as the world champion. hence, yinzers are so very proud to be 6x world champions.
As as far as the NFL, it’s simple. If the player grabs the jersey but it doesn’t impact the play / impede the player, then don’t call it. It’s not brain surgery, it’s football, and it’s common sense. It’s ridiculous that their marquee event ended the way it did.
So, we are in agreement then, offense is the MVP and if defense plays a little better than the other guys, they can aid in the victory.
I'd coach all the WRs to do the flag throwing motion after every play to hopefully bait the ref into reflexively throw a flag.
It makes me very happy seeing Seahawks fans cry about that game to this day. It makes the win even more enjoyable when the losing team never gets over it1) If it's right "by the letter of the law", personally I want it called every time, and yes, even if it means that the game is decided by the refs. IMO that's better than NHL-style "let the players decide" as the refs swallow their whistles" and the goons from Ontario and Manitoba smash the crap out of the GOOD PLAYERS like Mario and Sid.
2) As for "backing into a championship", people said that when the Steelers won vs. Seattle, my reply was to just laugh and say, "I'm very happy they cheated for us and stole the game from the Seahawks"
A fraction of a second is all you need to disrupt a timing route, and I don't know how you can assume it didn't impact the route. Not only does it slow the WR, it helps reverse the DB's momentum and allow him to continue harassing the WR out of the break. If he doesn't grab, he's not on JuJu coming out of that break.
You're advocating for more judgment calls and I don't think that's a good thing. The event ended the way it did because of the Philly DB, not the official.
While I do agree to an extent that the way the game ended sucked, but what are you supposed to do as an official? These CB's/DB's are taught how "cheat" by their coaches. The teams even bring in officials to help support the techniques that they are teaching to grab/hold onto an opponent, so that the players know how far to go before a flag will be thrown. Problem with that is, it is all very subjective. What one official thinks is holding another may let go. I am willing to bet that there was a hold like the one at the end of the game (if not worse) on every offensive snap during the Super Bowl and it was not called. But again, as I said, what is an official to do?
Sadly a very entertaining Super Bowl ends in a very unsatisfying manner.
pittdan77
Athletic Director
If it makes you feel like you're right then I guess you could go that way even though that isn't close to what I said.
