Pictures from TaxSlayer Bowl

[doubleAA's]

The University you love?! LMAO!!

I can tell by your writing that you didn't attend Vanderbilt. And no way in hell you are a Vandy football fan. First off, unless you attended Vandy, you just don't become a fan of Vanderbilt football. Nobody cares about Vanderbilt. #2: If you were a Vandy sports fan, you would be smart enough to realize that the James Franklin era is the golden era of modern day Vanderbilt football and it will never be any better.

Why don't you go into more detail about your love for Vandy, Whit Taylor?

BTW, Never stated Franklin is better than Narduzzi. I simply stated that he is a little more accomplished than Narduzzi. However, that should go without saying as Narduzzi is a first year coach.

What? Well I do work on the FANG program with Vanderbilt and received my masters from there in material science. Do I like the football team? No, I never said I did actually did i?
I think the Franklin Era was the worst Era of Vanderbilt football, didn't like the guy when he was there, he was a carnival barker. Yeah he won more games than most, but I think Vanderbilt views itself more or a scholastic university where yeah a good sports team is nice but certainly not many really cares.

Anyways I'd love to show you around the place when I'm in town, I don't live there. My only caveat is you have to wear a Pitt shirt

 

[michnittlion]

I understand that. So much of the PSU fanbase repeatedly pats themselves on the back over attendance, though. Admittedly, I don't read any of the Georgia boards, but does that fanbase puff out their chest about how incredible and amazing their attendance is?

I will say that I don't recall ever seeing you make some "107,000 strong" at every game comment or something similar to that.

And if some portion of the "PSU fanbase pats themselves on the back over attendance" ----- so what?

There are reasons for us to be proud of our support of the program.

Those reasons:

(1) We ARE a Top 10 program in terms of annual attendance. Even if it's not 107K --- 95K at games is still pretty darn good. No, I'm not going to get in a "unit-measuring contest" over our exact placement in the Top 10 and how it compares versus some other schools.

(2) This Top 10 ranking is despite having some structural disadvantages (State College = not a particularly large city nor particularly close to other large cities nor particularly easy to get to, although that is improving).

(3) The Top 10 ranking is also despite the football team having on-the-field struggles of late.

(4) We traveled 30K fans to a game on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean. No that number is not an exaggeration. I was among those folk, I saw it with my own eyes.

(5) You see it with your own eyes when we make our every-2-year visit to Columbus: PSU fans make it to road games in good numbers.

Fair enough if people don't like Penn State fans --- but in some cases, and this is one of them, the criticism is unwarranted. We do support our team, and we did have a fairly good showing in Jacksonville, all things considered.

 

[pitt-girl]

And if some portion of the "PSU fanbase pats themselves on the back over attendance" ----- so what?

There are reasons for us to be proud of our support of the program.

Those reasons:

(1) We ARE a Top 10 program in terms of annual attendance. Even if it's not 107K --- 95K at games is still pretty darn good. No, I'm not going to get in a "unit-measuring contest" over our exact placement in the Top 10 and how it compares versus some other schools.

(2) This despite having some structural disadvantages (State College = not a particularly large city nor particularly close to other large cities nor particularly easy to get to, although that is improving) versus other programs in terms of getting people to attend the game.

(3) We traveled 30K fans to a game on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean. No that number is not an exaggeration. I was among those folk, I saw it with my own eyes.

(4) You see it with your own eyes when we make our every-2-year visit to Columbus: PSU fans make it to road games in good numbers.

Fair enough if people don't like Penn State fans --- but in some cases, and this is one of them, the criticism is unwarranted. We do support our team, and we did have a fairly good showing in Jacksonville, all things considered.

 

[Teh Teh]

Yeah... no kidding... it is called a cult for a reason.

Big deal?

 

[pitt-girl]

And if some portion of the "PSU fanbase pats themselves on the back over attendance" ----- so what?

There are reasons for us to be proud of our support of the program.

Those reasons:

(1) We ARE a Top 10 program in terms of annual attendance. Even if it's not 107K --- 95K at games is still pretty darn good. No, I'm not going to get in a "unit-measuring contest" over our exact placement in the Top 10 and how it compares versus some other schools.

(2) This Top 10 ranking is despite having some structural disadvantages (State College = not a particularly large city nor particularly close to other large cities nor particularly easy to get to, although that is improving).

(3) The Top 10 ranking is also despite the football team having on-the-field struggles of late.

(4) We traveled 30K fans to a game on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean. No that number is not an exaggeration. I was among those folk, I saw it with my own eyes.

(5) You see it with your own eyes when we make our every-2-year visit to Columbus: PSU fans make it to road games in good numbers.

Fair enough if people don't like Penn State fans --- but in some cases, and this is one of them, the criticism is unwarranted. We do support our team, and we did have a fairly good showing in Jacksonville, all things considered.

"and we did have a fairly good showing in Jacksonville, all things considered"

Curious - what does this mean "all things considered"?

 

[9nationalchampionships]

There are reasons for us to be proud of our support of the program.

Those reasons:

(1) We ARE a Top 10 program in terms of annual attendance. Even if it's not 107K --- 95K at games is still pretty darn good. No, I'm not going to get in a "unit-measuring contest" over our exact placement in the Top 10 and how it compares versus some other schools.

So the #107 is for the hypothetical maximum?

(2) This Top 10 ranking is despite having some structural disadvantages (State College = not a particularly large city nor particularly close to other large cities nor particularly easy to get to, although that is improving).

UPS has 29 locations to pump diplomas like octomom popping out babies…do even get me started on the prestigious World Campus

(3) The Top 10 ranking is also despite the football team having on-the-field struggles of late.

See #2

(4) We traveled 30K fans to a game on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean. No that number is not an exaggeration. I was among those folk, I saw it with my own eyes.

I watched the TS bowl and I would say it was 3/1 UGA fans. It was a sea of red

(5) You see it with your own eyes when we make our every-2-year visit to Columbus: PSU fans make it to road games in good numbers.

So you have a nice continent to watch OSU beat your brains in ( except for the close game a few years ago and I don’t know where it was played!

 

[upj87]

And if some portion of the "PSU fanbase pats themselves on the back over attendance" ----- so what?

There are reasons for us to be proud of our support of the program.

Those reasons:

(1) We ARE a Top 10 program in terms of annual attendance. Even if it's not 107K --- 95K at games is still pretty darn good. No, I'm not going to get in a "unit-measuring contest" over our exact placement in the Top 10 and how it compares versus some other schools.

(2) This Top 10 ranking is despite having some structural disadvantages (State College = not a particularly large city nor particularly close to other large cities nor particularly easy to get to, although that is improving).

(3) The Top 10 ranking is also despite the football team having on-the-field struggles of late.

(4) We traveled 30K fans to a game on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean. No that number is not an exaggeration. I was among those folk, I saw it with my own eyes.

(5) You see it with your own eyes when we make our every-2-year visit to Columbus: PSU fans make it to road games in good numbers.

Fair enough if people don't like Penn State fans --- but in some cases, and this is one of them, the criticism is unwarranted. We do support our team, and we did have a fairly good showing in Jacksonville, all things considered.

I'm kind of proud of the Lair for letting you ramble on.....Had we attempted to do 1/10th of the amount of postings you do by doing pro-pitt postings over on BWI we would have (and most have been) been banned....Kind of nice to post in a free forum that respects contrary opinions is it not?

 

[michnittlion]

"and we did have a fairly good showing in Jacksonville, all things considered"

Curious - what does this mean "all things considered"?

(1) Not winning a game post-Halloween, (2) coming off a 36-point-loss, (3) playing the game 750 miles away, (4) in an incredibly unattractive city.

Those things will dampen excitement and attendance for a Bowl game.

Still: we sold out our ticket allotment and had ~20K there total. As I showed in the link I provided elsewhere in this thread, the Taxslayer Bowl President himself was quoted on how pleased he was with Penn State attendance.

 

[michnittlion]

So the #107 is for the hypothetical maximum?

(1) Well, yes, 107K is a maximum. Sort of a "law of physics" issue there. If we started reported attendance of 140K per game, yes, you would have reason to be suspicious

UPS has 29 locations to pump diplomas like octomom popping out babies…do even get me started on the prestigious World Campus

(2) I think you are doing your own "pumping" here --- it is 19, not 29.

Anyway, PSU had good attendance well before either (a) most of the branch campuses started issuing 4-year degrees, or (b) the World Campus came into being. So I'm not sure how logical it is to presume those two are strong drivers of attendance.

I watched the TS bowl and I would say it was 3/1 UGA fans. It was a sea of red

(3) And I was there --- and I would say it was more like 60% UGA and 40% Penn State. Besides, as I've shown elsewhere in this link, the Taxslayer Bowl President himself was quoted as being pleased with Penn State attendance. But fair enough if you want to ignore his quotes.

So you have a nice continent to watch OSU beat your brains in ( except for the close game a few years ago and I don’t know where it was played!

(4) Traveling fans to a game we're likely to lose big --- isn't that a sign of GOOD fan support?!?

 

[michnittlion]

I'm kind of proud of the Lair for letting you ramble on.....Had we attempted to do 1/10th of the amount of postings you do by doing pro-pitt postings over on BWI we would have (and most have been) been banned....Kind of nice to post in a free forum that respects contrary opinions is it not?

What I am "rambling" about?

If you have issues with BWI --- take it up with them. How Tom runs his message board, I get no votes on such things.

 

[chethejet]

If the turnstile count was mid forties, then 20K would have been far more noticable on TV. I concede it is not the best view, but it really looked far more red than blue. Here is the kicker, PSU has never been a program that was truthful and above board. It has in fact given a big stain to the University and the truth is hard to get around. Paterno was unaccountable for years and brought the program into near abyss with the coverup of a known pedophile.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

So the #107 is for the hypothetical maximum?

(1) Well, yes, 107K is a maximum. Sort of a "law of physics" issue there. If we started reported attendance of 140K per game, yes, you would have reason to be suspicious


*No the use of this is for promotional benefits and most 17 year old kids will accept anything as face value!

UPS has 29 locations to pump diplomas like octomom popping out babies…do even get me started on the prestigious World Campus

(2) I think you are doing your own "pumping" here --- it is 19, not 29.

*The diploma factory set up in PA enables UPS to be feeder system!

Anyway, PSU had good attendance well before either (a) most of the branch campuses started issuing 4-year degrees, or (b) the World Campus came into being. So I'm not sure how logical it is to presume those two are strong drivers of attendance.

I watched the TS bowl and I would say it was 3/1 UGA fans. It was a sea of red

(3) And I was there --- and I would say it was more like 60% UGA and 40% Penn State. Besides, as I've shown elsewhere in this link, the Taxslayer Bowl President himself was quoted as being pleased with Penn State attendance. But fair enough if you want to ignore his quotes.

*So the TV cameras only showed the UGA fans? Maybe take a look at the game on tape and report back?

So you have a nice continent to watch OSU beat your brains in ( except for the close game a few years ago and I don’t know where it was played!

(4) Traveling fans to a game we're likely to lose big --- isn't that a sign of GOOD fan support?!?

*UPS has good fan support even without a top program! See #2 for feeder system. PA is so parochial that it would never allow the branch campuses to have their own identity ala Ohio.

89

 

[michnittlion]

If the turnstile count was mid forties

Where are you getting this from? From 9nationalchampionship's number earlier in this thread?

9nationalchampionships, you never provided a source on your 46k number. Do you have a source?

 

[michnittlion]

*No the use of this is for promotional benefits and most 17 year old kids will accept anything as face value!

Are you arguing that Beaver Stadium does not ACTUALLY HAVE 107,000 SEATS?!?!? They do actually exist! What's wrong with telling a 17-year-old kid "you could be playing in front of up to 107,000 fans for your home games?"

*The diploma factory set up in PA enables UPS to be feeder system!

If you truly think that (a) the branch campuses are "diploma factories" (I disagree), or that (b) the branch campuses are not part of Penn State University's core mission to serve the Commonwealth (on this one, I DO agree with you to a large extent) ------ those are issues worth addressing with Pennsylvania legislators.

Yes, Penn State should not be usurping what should be the roles of the PASSHE schools.

*So the TV cameras only showed the UGA fans? Maybe take a look at the game on tape and report back?

As I said, I was THERE. This allowed me a fairly comprehensive view of the stadium.

Thus, there is no need for me to watch game tape to get to my "60% UGA/40% Penn State" numbers.

Do you have any thoughts as regards the Taxslayer Bowl President's comments about Penn State attendance? He is another person who was actually THERE this past Saturday.

*UPS has good fan support even without a top program! See #2 for feeder system. PA is so parochial that it would never allow the branch campuses to have their own identity ala Ohio.

Yes, Penn State does have fan support even without a top program. Isn't that a good thing?!?!? Isn't that something for ALL college football fanbases to aspire to?

As regards Ohio, I have a hard time believing that Ohio State-Newark, Ohio State-Lima, Ohio State-Mansfield, et cetera students don't tend to be Buckeye fans. Shoot --- from personal experience --- significant numbers of Akron, BGSU, Kent State, et cetera students are Buckeye fans.

 

[upj87]

What I am "rambling" about?

If you have issues with BWI --- take it up with them. How Tom runs his message board, I get no votes on such things.

geez, I don't know...listing your "5 point tenets of PSU attendance justification" dissertation (like anyone here gives a schitt) on a six day old post about some meaningless bowl game on a message board that is not even connected to the school you root for that was preceeded by several other rah, rah posts from days ago might be considered rambling.....call me crazy, but it is rambling....but like I said we have patience over here because we understand the physiological effects of cultism and do no wish to cause more emotional stress...so do continue....

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Probably has something to do with those "Welcome to Georgia, the Peach State" signs that are within 15-20 miles of Jacksonville.
Agree, watch Arkansas-KSU Liberty Bowl based in Memphis just a few miles from Arkansas Border and it was sold out with many more Red Shirts than Purple? Bowls are figuring it out, if one school is invited that is closer to it, better chance to attract more Fans! WVU-ASU in Arizona too!

There's a reason UGA plays a game there annually.
Yep!

 

[9nationalchampionships]

My source on the attendance at the TS Bowl is my friend/neighbor who was there. He is not from PA and never rooted for UPS until his daughter enrolled. Now he dresses like Joey from Friends in the fake Porsche episode with UPS stuff. He looks ridiculous and I rib him about it! HE said t was 2 to 1 UGA fans!

 

[PITTLAW]

So the #107 is for the hypothetical maximum?

(1) Well, yes, 107K is a maximum. Sort of a "law of physics" issue there. If we started reported attendance of 140K per game, yes, you would have reason to be suspicious

UPS has 29 locations to pump diplomas like octomom popping out babies…do even get me started on the prestigious World Campus

(2) I think you are doing your own "pumping" here --- it is 19, not 29.

Anyway, PSU had good attendance well before either (a) most of the branch campuses started issuing 4-year degrees, or (b) the World Campus came into being. So I'm not sure how logical it is to presume those two are strong drivers of attendance.

I watched the TS bowl and I would say it was 3/1 UGA fans. It was a sea of red

(3) And I was there --- and I would say it was more like 60% UGA and 40% Penn State. Besides, as I've shown elsewhere in this link, the Taxslayer Bowl President himself was quoted as being pleased with Penn State attendance. But fair enough if you want to ignore his quotes.

So you have a nice continent to watch OSU beat your brains in ( except for the close game a few years ago and I don’t know where it was played!

(4) Traveling fans to a game we're likely to lose big --- isn't that a sign of GOOD fan support?!?

My view is objectively that PSU has very good fan support. Obviously not as fabulous as those of you that wear blue/white glasses see it, but obviously very good. The part that is funny about the whole conversation is that when all you have to talk about is attendance and fan support--rather than conference championships and wins--does that support really mean anything? To me, it just means there are quite a few people that support a very mediocre football team--so enjoy! Reminds me of people bragging that they drive a Toyota Camry--as it is the best selling car in America--lol...enjoy that ride. Hail to Pitt!

 

[ncyajleel]

Just curious about how you can be so proud of some things, and it is okay to be proud, but you show are not ashamed or show no remorse about the atrocities that happened up there. If you show that much pride over the good things, you should show some remorse and shame for the bad things. And the psu fan base, I'm not singling you out, but most of the fan base acts like nothing ever happened.

I know it was one man who committed those crimes. But that one man was allowed to run loose on that penn state campus you are so proud of and was allowed to use that football program you love so much to lure young boys.

And if some portion of the "PSU fanbase pats themselves on the back over attendance" ----- so what?

There are reasons for us to be proud of our support of the program.

Those reasons:

(1) We ARE a Top 10 program in terms of annual attendance. Even if it's not 107K --- 95K at games is still pretty darn good. No, I'm not going to get in a "unit-measuring contest" over our exact placement in the Top 10 and how it compares versus some other schools.

(2) This Top 10 ranking is despite having some structural disadvantages (State College = not a particularly large city nor particularly close to other large cities nor particularly easy to get to, although that is improving).

(3) The Top 10 ranking is also despite the football team having on-the-field struggles of late.

(4) We traveled 30K fans to a game on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean. No that number is not an exaggeration. I was among those folk, I saw it with my own eyes.

(5) You see it with your own eyes when we make our every-2-year visit to Columbus: PSU fans make it to road games in good numbers.

Fair enough if people don't like Penn State fans --- but in some cases, and this is one of them, the criticism is unwarranted. We do support our team, and we did have a fairly good showing in Jacksonville, all things considered.

 

[michnittlion]

Just curious about how you can be so proud of some things, and it is okay to be proud, but you show are not ashamed or show no remorse about the atrocities that happened up there. If you show that much pride over the good things, you should show some remorse and shame for the bad things. And the psu fan base, I'm not singling you out, but most of the fan base acts like nothing ever happened.

I know it was one man who committed those crimes. But that one man was allowed to run loose on that penn state campus you are so proud of and was allowed to use that football program you love so much to lure young boys.

I have nothing to be ashamed about or remorseful for. I completely reject the notion that there is some "collective guilt" as regards Sandusky/Curley/Schultz/et cetera that extends to either me or PSU fans as a whole.

All I can do is (a) say and accept that certain people associated with PSU football screwed up, and (b) accept any penalties that resulted to PSU football from such.

Of note, and something which some people tend to ignore ---- those penalties were served without any complaints from current University leadership (I didn't complain either, FWIW).

What more, exactly, do you want?

 

[9nationalchampionships]

Does that “certain people” comment include the football coach how ruled his kingdom?

J. Paterno - “ I am a benevolent dictator”

I have nothing to be ashamed about or remorseful for. I completely reject the notion that there is some "collective guilt" as regards Sandusky/Curley/Schultz/et cetera that extends to either me or PSU fans as a whole.

All I can do is (a) say and accept that certain people associated with PSU football screwed up, and (b) accept any penalties that resulted to PSU football from such.

Of note, and something which some people tend to ignore ---- those penalties were served without any complaints from current University leadership (I didn't complain either, FWIW).

What more, exactly, do you want?

 

[upj87]

I have nothing to be ashamed about or remorseful for. I completely reject the notion that there is some "collective guilt" as regards Sandusky/Curley/Schultz/et cetera that extends to either me or PSU fans as a whole.

All I can do is (a) say and accept that certain people associated with PSU football screwed up, and (b) accept any penalties that resulted to PSU football from such.

Of note, and something which some people tend to ignore ---- those penalties were served without any complaints from current University leadership (I didn't complain either, FWIW).

What more, exactly, do you want?

I have nothing to be ashamed about or remorseful for. I completely reject the notion that there is some "collective guilt" as regards Sandusky/Curley/Schultz/et cetera that extends to either me or PSU fans as a whole.

All I can do is (a) say and accept that certain people associated with PSU football screwed up, and (b) accept any penalties that resulted to PSU football from such.

Of note, and something which some people tend to ignore ---- those penalties were served without any complaints from current University leadership (I didn't complain either, FWIW).

What more, exactly, do you want?

"What more, exactly, do you want?" for YOU to simply confirm with a "yes" or "no" that it is true that "By doing the absolute minimum Joe Paterno's inaction caused children to continue to be sexually abused from the time he first heard of his behavior until the time Sandusky was ultimately arrested".... Yes or no? That is all. Pretty simple....

 

[michnittlion]

Does that “certain people” comment include the football coach how ruled his kingdom?

J. Paterno - “ I am a benevolent dictator”

Yes.

 

[Joe Pa Thetic]

All I can do is (a) say and accept that certain people associated with PSU football screwed up, and (b) accept any penalties that resulted to PSU football from such.

Of note, and something which some people tend to ignore ---- those penalties were served without any complaints from current University leadership (I didn't complain either, FWIW).

I think the university's response to the scandal was (and remains) the best it could be, given the what occurred. I think a significant amount of people nationally recognize that the university quickly moved to distance itself from Paterno and everyone else involved with the scandal. But much of that is overshadowed by how vocal the crazies are that Paterno and the school were victims.

I recognize that the official university response and the drumbeat from the crazies are two separate things.

As long as a significant segment of the fanbase continues to push the narrative that Paterno was a martyr and that the Board of Trustees fired him for no reason, there is always going to derision and scorn from the rest of the country. As I am sure you are aware, even the President of the university has called out the Joebots and said they are destroying their own university. For the life of me, I don't understand how The Cult believes that a hardline, eff the victims stance from the Board of Trustees would have improved national public opinion when Paterno himself was quoted with the "sexual nature" line in the grand jury presentment.

 

[chethejet]

Yes but you did support the idea that Paterno staying as a right to stay as long as he wanted. That is the very crux of your collective guilt. All you nits simply supported the nonsense of his having some god given right to dictate to Penn State his employment and conditions thereof. Thus once the sh** hit the fan, none of you saw the corrosive and deceptive propaganda of the Penn State way. In fact, many nitters are still unable to see the truth as you hide behind the Paterno or crackpot bloggers who are playing to the masses. Have you no shame sir.

 

[michnittlion]

"What more, exactly, do you want?" for YOU to simply confirm with a "yes" or "no" that it is true that "By doing the absolute minimum Joe Paterno's inaction caused children to continue to be sexually abused from the time he first heard of his behavior until the time Sandusky was ultimately arrested".... Yes or no? That is all. Pretty simple....

Yes --- Joe could and should have done more. I've been very consistent in that opinion.

 

[michnittlion]

Yes but you did support the idea that Paterno staying as a right to stay as long as he wanted. That is the very crux of your collective guilt. All you nits simply supported the nonsense of his having some god given right to dictate to Penn State his employment and conditions thereof. Thus once the sh** hit the fan, none of you saw the corrosive and deceptive propaganda of the Penn State way. In fact, many nitters are still unable to see the truth as you hide behind the Paterno or crackpot bloggers who are playing to the masses. Have you no shame sir.

No offense --- but this is complete 100% nonsense and bull kaka.

I thought Joe should have been out as HC many years before, for many reasons (not going out and recruiting anymore, running a Mickey Mouse offense, nepotism involving his son being on the staff, et cetera).

And I wasn't alone. MANY PSU fans thought the same thing.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Yes --- Joe could and should have done more. I've been very consistent in that opinion.

Also, the Pinstripe Bowl made way more money by inviting Penn State near it last year, then Duke and Indiana this year too?

 

[9nationalchampionships]

Finally a nitter with some common sense! You may need to get a remote start for your car just to be safe from the cultists. You are welcome on our site any time & looking forward to playing again!

Yes --- Joe could and should have done more. I've been very consistent in that opinion.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

No offense --- but this is complete 100% nonsense and bull kaka.

I thought Joe should have been out as HC many years before, for many reasons (not going out and recruiting anymore, running a Mickey Mouse offense, nepotism involving his son being on the staff, et cetera).

And I wasn't alone. MANY PSU fans thought the same thing.

I posted that on BWI in 1998, and got banned, and that is without knowing what he was covering up?

In addition, Joe lied about not wanting the 409 record, he stayed that long even in ill health to get it, and he knew the scandal he helped ignore, was coming and why he dictated to the Trustees in Public that he would leave at the end of season!

 

[michnittlion]

I think the university's response to the scandal was (and remains) the best it could be, given the what occurred. I think a significant amount of people nationally recognize that the university quickly moved to distance itself from Paterno and everyone else involved with the scandal. But much of that is overshadowed by how vocal the crazies are that Paterno and the school were victims.

I recognize that the official university response and the drumbeat from the crazies are two separate things.

As long as a significant segment of the fanbase continues to push the narrative that Paterno was a martyr and that the Board of Trustees fired him for no reason, there is always going to derision and scorn from the rest of the country. As I am sure you are aware, even the President of the university has called out the Joebots and said they are destroying their own university. For the life of me, I don't understand how The Cult believes that a hardline, eff the victims stance from the Board of Trustees would have improved national public opinion when Paterno himself was quoted with the "sexual nature" line in the grand jury presentment.

God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change (the opinions of hardcore Paterno Loyalists),

the courage to change what I can (I can and do go to PSU road games and sit amongst opposing fans and talk about the issue and show them MY "face of Penn State."),

and the wisdom to know the difference (in the long run, I am only responsible for my actions).

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Finally a nitter with some common sense! You may need to get a remote start for your car just to be safe from the cultists. You are welcome on our site any time & looking forward to playing again!

Michnittlion, knows his CFB and is objective and can admit PSU's Problems as well as explain and defend PSU that has many good aspects as well as any in CFB, and one has to be proud how PSU put in Reforms and is now is living up to being in full compliance's and is rightly proud PSU having a Top 15 CFB Program, that should be admired too!

Just like all of Pitt Posters that wanted Pitt to be a Top 25 Program the last 19 years, and all want that to happen too?

Still up to Pitt and Penn State and WVU to make themselves better and back to Top 25 Winning!

 

[Panther Parrothead]

I think the university's response to the scandal was (and remains) the best it could be, given the what occurred. I think a significant amount of people nationally recognize that the university quickly moved to distance itself from Paterno and everyone else involved with the scandal. But much of that is overshadowed by how vocal the crazies are that Paterno and the school were victims.

I recognize that the official university response and the drumbeat from the crazies are two separate things.

As long as a significant segment of the fanbase continues to push the narrative that Paterno was a martyr and that the Board of Trustees fired him for no reason, there is always going to derision and scorn from the rest of the country. As I am sure you are aware, even the President of the university has called out the Joebots and said they are destroying their own university. For the life of me, I don't understand how The Cult believes that a hardline, eff the victims stance from the Board of Trustees would have improved national public opinion when Paterno himself was quoted with the "sexual nature" line in the grand jury presentment.

I've posted this before, but...the other day I finally got around to watching the ESPN "30 for 30" episode that featured Southern Cal Football during the Pete Carroll Era. If anyone who watched it and saw the punishment that USC received (for "Lack of Institutional Control"), and then scrolled ahead in time to see what the Nits ended-up with for their sins, any sane person would agree that there was a huge miscarriage of justice done to USC.

Has there ever been a bigger lack of institutional control at the collegiate level than what occurred in Happy Valley? We can talk about SMU all that we want, but in terms of personal injury to human beings, there may never again be an event of the magnitude that happened at Penn State - especially one that didn't stop with the athletic staff, but went all the up to the Office of the President of the University.

 

[upj87]

Yes --- Joe could and should have done more. I've been very consistent in that opinion.

Candor and honesty...thank for it. Won't probably agree with most of what you say but will defend your right to say it on this forum....

 

[michnittlion]

Also, the Pinstripe Bowl made way more money by inviting Penn State near it last year, then Duke and Indiana this year too?

Penn State in 2014 (pent-up demand for a Bowl trip, decent degree of excitement about the program) ---- that was the dream scenario for the Pinstripe Bowl. They may never do better.

Didn't hurt that it was sunny and an unseasonably warm 55 degrees for the game too.

To their credit, Boston College, which traditionally travels poorly --- showed up strong themselves for the game.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Penn State in 2014 (pent-up demand for a Bowl trip, decent degree of excitement about the program) ---- that was the dream scenario for the Pinstripe Bowl. They may never do better.

Didn't hurt that it was sunny and an unseasonably warm 55 degrees for the game too.

To their credit, Boston College, which traditionally travels poorly --- showed up strong themselves for the game.

Agree! Another Hack Attack Come Back too!

 

[ncyajleel]

If you are not one of those people who think Paterno is innocent of everything and want his name cleared then I am fine with it. If you are not one of those idiots that go around saying "we're back" like you suffered some catastrophe like the 70's Marshall football team, then I am fine with it.

I just get sick of your a-hole brethren who act like THEY are the true victims in all of this. It really makes me sick!

I have nothing to be ashamed about or remorseful for. I completely reject the notion that there is some "collective guilt" as regards Sandusky/Curley/Schultz/et cetera that extends to either me or PSU fans as a whole.

All I can do is (a) say and accept that certain people associated with PSU football screwed up, and (b) accept any penalties that resulted to PSU football from such.

Of note, and something which some people tend to ignore ---- those penalties were served without any complaints from current University leadership (I didn't complain either, FWIW).

What more, exactly, do you want?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

If you are not one of those people who think Paterno is innocent of everything and want his name cleared then I am fine with it. If you are not one of those idiots that go around saying "we're back" like you suffered some catastrophe like the 70's Marshall football team, then I am fine with it.

I just get sick of your a-hole brethren who act like THEY are the true victims in all of this. It really makes me sick!

It is hard for some to accept and expect respect when others from the very fan base they come from won't give such respect back. MichNittLion has my respect because he gives such respect and talks honest CFB and will defend successes and admit problems within that world including his own Penn State. MichNittLion does not come on the Lair to flame but talk Football. He does the same on Michigan Boards and is welcomed there too!

There are more Penn State Posters like him, and are welcomed elsewhere, but some on the BWI ruin it for many others and caused much consternation's for the very good PSU Posters!

Maybe in time the better posters will prevail as those that act Pnnyliar fail?

 

[9nationalchampionships]

Cap - It is not just some wackos on BWI. How about the nut job that painted a halo on paturdo? The nut jobs that rioted when paturdo was fired? How about the nut jobs that protested when they took paturdo’s statue down? How about the nut jobs that put up a paturdo statue off their campus? etc etc

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Cap - It is not just some wackos on BWI. How about the nut job that painted a halo on paturdo? The nut jobs that rioted when paturdo was fired? How about the nut jobs that protested when they took paturdo’s statue down? How about the nut jobs that put up a paturdo statue off their campus? etc etc

Some Mother of a Victim may be arrested someday putting Turpentine on that Halo! It is not for any human Being, the Very Best People won't accept it, and no football coach ever deserves it! Just an example of a Culture that devalues many aspects of a society built on just a game?