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Right now, you can buy tickets to any of the other 6 home games besides PSU for $6 each which is the lowest selling price allowed by Stubhub. You can make your own 6 game package for $36 plus fees.

It is great we sold all the tickets this year but for the vast majority of Pitt games now and forever, 68K seats is far too much of a supply. I still think Pitt needs to take measures to limit the supply of tickets for all but games vs PSU, WVU, ND, FSU, Clemson.
 
I very much agree with this. And, unlike the Steelers who sport black and yellow, Pitt wear blue and gold so the empties stand out. Ironically, when Pitt flips to the alternate/retro look given the pants and helmet match color of the bulk of seats, they won't stand out as much. But, really, aside from PRIME home games, Pitt should tarp the upper deck end zone bleachers. That's it. Nothing more is really necessary in my view. Given they're bleachers and not individual seats with a back, that likely reduces capacity by nearly 10K.

Heinz Field is the third largest capacity in the ACC behind only FSU and Clemson. The ideal capacity for a good/great Pitt fooball program is between 50K and 55K not unlike teams like Stanford, Oregon, Minnesota, Colorado, Rutgers, etc. In the ACC the ideal comparisons are Georgia Tech and Miami. Georgia Tech's home field, like old Pitt Stadium, is 55K. While Miami will reduce capacity to just over 50K for not elite opponents by using the method pictured below after Hard Rock Stadium is renovated.

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I see no shame in tarp. The Raiders do it, baseball teams do it and other college teams have done and continue to do it. Now, aside from the end zone upper deck. I would consider the corner far most corner of each upper deck sideline as well. But, honestly, the cleanest, simplest solution is to eliminate the end zone bleachers. I would do exactly as Oakland does. A large mass of blue with a gold Pitt script or a large mass of gold with a blue Pitt script. Whatever they feel would look more appealing in reducing Heinz capacity to somewhere between 50K and 60K. Fans will be more concentrated and not spread out in the upper decks which would improve atmosphere and overall, having a giant tarp with an enormous Pitt script would look awesome from afar and awesome while in the stadium if sold 55 of a 58 capacity or what have you. And, again, like Miami and other teams, open the seats up to Pitt season ticket holders FIRST for the marquis opponents that Pitt would draw 68K.

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Right now, you can buy tickets to any of the other 6 home games besides PSU for $6 each which is the lowest selling price allowed by Stubhub. You can make your own 6 game package for $36 plus fees.

It is great we sold all the tickets this year but for the vast majority of Pitt games now and forever, 68K seats is far too much of a supply. I still think Pitt needs to take measures to limit the supply of tickets for all but games vs PSU, WVU, ND, FSU, Clemson.


Why? Do you really think Pitt cares what the price for their tickets is in the secondary marketplace? In the world of IP, we have a concept called the first sale doctrine. So long as Pitt commenced the first sale [and collected the money], it would be foolish for them to care about the secondary marketplace. There are plenty of fans [both Pitt and non-Pitt] that are really only interested in attending big games or events. To those people, they buy season tickets in order to get access to the big games or events. There is a family of 6 that sit in front of me on the 50 yard line at Heinz Field. They only ever show up for the big games. I can predict now which games they will attend--PSU, GaTech and possibly VaTech. They would never show for a Villanova or Marshall. It is there money, so I see no reason or basis to question how they want to spend or waste it. There is simply ZERO reason for Pitt to restrict the number of tickets they sell--NONE! Hail to Pitt!
 
This is an awfully dumb thread.

Who cares??? Really.... who cares and why do you care? Pitt has shown historically throughout the years if we win we get big crowds.... when we lose we dont. No different than the buccos, steelers, penguins or any other team. Pittsburgh is a great city with many options and residents from all over the world, its not a brainly cult community. Not even with the steelers. When the steelers are bad, there are a ton of no shows. And once again... who cares?? I will be more than happy to buy up 6 tickets for 36 dollars and still give me donation to the university of 1000 dollars each year
 
This is an awfully dumb thread.

Who cares??? Really.... who cares and why do you care? Pitt has shown historically throughout the years if we win we get big crowds.... when we lose we dont. No different than the buccos, steelers, penguins or any other team. Pittsburgh is a great city with many options and residents from all over the world, its not a brainly cult community. Not even with the steelers. When the steelers are bad, there are a ton of no shows. And once again... who cares?? I will be more than happy to buy up 6 tickets for 36 dollars and still give me donation to the university of 1000 dollars each year

Even if Pitt wins, while the crowds greatly improve, even if a Top 10 team, they wouldn't draw 10K+ less than capacity for ALL teams on this schedule not named PSU, VT and, maybe, GT because that one's homecoming. Pitt has not shown to have a fan base that respectably fill a 70K seat venue. 60K? Maybe in the 30s and 40s when Steelers still sucked and Pitt was dominant? Maybe... Not even in the Marino and Dorsett eras. They didn't fill up Pitt Stadium for every game then and it seats 13K less than Heinz now.

Even in the lone spectacular year under Wanny Pitt had HUGE crowds for ND and Cincy and paltry crowds for the rest. The same applies to Fitz near Heisman year when Pitt was preseason Top 10. HUGE crowds for ND, VT and The U. Crap crowds for the rest. And, even The U, played for the BEast title with the Heisman on the line was just over/under 60K.
 
This is an awfully dumb thread.

Who cares??? Really.... who cares and why do you care? Pitt has shown historically throughout the years if we win we get big crowds.... when we lose we dont. No different than the buccos, steelers, penguins or any other team. Pittsburgh is a great city with many options and residents from all over the world, its not a brainly cult community. Not even with the steelers. When the steelers are bad, there are a ton of no shows. And once again... who cares?? I will be more than happy to buy up 6 tickets for 36 dollars and still give me donation to the university of 1000 dollars each year

Also, Pitt SOLD THE TICKETS for the published price! What anyone does with tickets after they pay the published price to buy them is totally their own business. There is nothing more that Pitt can do after selling the tickets for the published price. Pitt cannot control secondary market sales or prices.

Very difficult to comprehend how there are still some people that fail to recognize this and continue to try to make an issue out of something like this.
 
I very much agree with this. And, unlike the Steelers who sport black and yellow, Pitt wear blue and gold so the empties stand out. Ironically, when Pitt flips to the alternate/retro look given the pants and helmet match color of the bulk of seats, they won't stand out as much. But, really, aside from PRIME home games, Pitt should tarp the upper deck end zone bleachers. That's it. Nothing more is really necessary in my view. Given they're bleachers and not individual seats with a back, that likely reduces capacity by nearly 10K.

Heinz Field is the third largest capacity in the ACC behind only FSU and Clemson. The ideal capacity for a good/great Pitt fooball program is between 50K and 55K not unlike teams like Stanford, Oregon, Minnesota, Colorado, Rutgers, etc. In the ACC the ideal comparisons are Georgia Tech and Miami. Georgia Tech's home field, like old Pitt Stadium, is 55K. While Miami will reduce capacity to just over 50K for not elite opponents by using the method pictured below after Hard Rock Stadium is renovated.

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I see no shame in tarp. The Raiders do it, baseball teams do it and other college teams have done and continue to do it. Now, aside from the end zone upper deck. I would consider the corner far most corner of each upper deck sideline as well. But, honestly, the cleanest, simplest solution is to eliminate the end zone bleachers. I would do exactly as Oakland does. A large mass of blue with a gold Pitt script or a large mass of gold with a blue Pitt script. Whatever they feel would look more appealing in reducing Heinz capacity to somewhere between 50K and 60K. Fans will be more concentrated and not spread out in the upper decks which would improve atmosphere and overall, having a giant tarp with an enormous Pitt script would look awesome from afar and awesome while in the stadium if sold 55 of a 58 capacity or what have you. And, again, like Miami and other teams, open the seats up to Pitt season ticket holders FIRST for the marquis opponents that Pitt would draw 68K.

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Agree Completely
 
Even if Pitt wins, while the crowds greatly improve, even if a Top 10 team, they wouldn't draw 10K+ less than capacity for ALL teams on this schedule not named PSU, VT and, maybe, GT because that one's homecoming. Pitt has not shown to have a fan base that respectably fill a 70K seat venue. 60K? Maybe in the 30s and 40s when Steelers still sucked and Pitt was dominant? Maybe... Not even in the Marino and Dorsett eras. They didn't fill up Pitt Stadium for every game then and it seats 13K less than Heinz now.

Even in the lone spectacular year under Wanny Pitt had HUGE crowds for ND and Cincy and paltry crowds for the rest. The same applies to Fitz near Heisman year when Pitt was preseason Top 10. HUGE crowds for ND, VT and The U. Crap crowds for the rest. And, even The U, played for the BEast title with the Heisman on the line was just over/under 60K.
The SU crowd was over 60k in 2003. I was in the upper deck and surprised myself.
 
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Pitt could still sell 56K season tickets for published price with a reduced capacity. And, then, open up the seating and sell those extra 12K for the published price as well. While it's not really that big of a deal there's a reason the Oakland A's, Miami Hurriances do it. There's a reason Baylor did it before building their new 45K stadium. And, the Pirates and many, many other baseball clubs did it before building stadiums to suit their demand.

My issue isn't really about about the stubhub price. It's more so in reducing the amount of scattering of fans and having a capacity that suits Pitt's core fan base. Which, is honestly, closer to 55K.

I'll put it this way, if Pitt were to hypothetically announce plans to build their own stadium, do you believe the capacity would be closer to 50K (Pitt Stadium) or 70K (Heinz Field/Steelers)?
 
Pitt could still sell 56K season tickets for published price with a reduced capacity. And, then, open up the seating and sell those extra 12K for the published price as well. While it's not really that big of a deal there's a reason the Oakland A's, Miami Hurriances do it. There's a reason Baylor did it before building their new 45K stadium. And, the Pirates and many, many other baseball clubs did it before building stadiums to suit their demand.

My issue isn't really about about the stubhub price. It's more so in reducing the amount of scattering of fans and having a capacity that suits Pitt's core fan base. Which, is honestly, closer to 55K.

I'll put it this way, if Pitt were to hypothetically announce plans to build their own stadium, do you believe the capacity would be closer to 50K (Pitt Stadium) or 70K (Heinz Field/Steelers)?


So you are concerned with cosmetics? Well Pitt chose to tear down their on campus, right-sized stadium to move to a professional venue that under the present circumstances for demand, is far too large [other than for big games/events]. Again I say, who cares? I identify this as just another species of a disease that has long infected many Pitt fans...which is there is always something to complain about. Seriously, worry about yourself and your own enjoyment of the game [if you actually go]. If there are a few empty seats...enjoy the extra real estate. We use open seats for coats, purses, a place to put your feet and enjoy the luxury of the extra space. I'd rather have an empty seat in front of me than some jamoke that blocks my view or otherwise makes the game day atmosphere less than fun. The real concerns should be about winning games, increasing revenue, and making a Pitt game a must attend event. This other stuff is just not worthy of serious discussion. Hail to Pitt!
 
I was at USA vs Paraguay at the Linc. They did something really unique. They didnt sell upper deck tickets on the non-TV side. The crowd was 51K, not too dissimilar from a Pitt crowd but the place was packed and rocking (besides the one upper deck of course). It had the effect of a sold-out stadium.

The other thing with that game was since they limited supply, they were able to charge insane amounts for tickets. To be fair, Copa America took a ton of heat for the prices they were charging (significantly more than Euro 2016 in France) but their pricing strategy was to get every penny out of the soccer diehard like me because they know we wouldn't miss it and forget about the soccer mom who might have brought her 3 kids for $15 upper deck tickets. They kept the other upper deck prices very high ($75 or so). My point is when you limit supply, you can create a better value by artificially controlling the price. And I've always felt by cramming more people together in fewer sections creates a better atmosphere.
 
That was a one time event driving that price. Pitt needs to sell multiple games and retain loyal customers over the long haul.
 
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So you are concerned with cosmetics? Well Pitt chose to tear down their on campus, right-sized stadium to move to a professional venue that under the present circumstances for demand, is far too large [other than for big games/events]. Again I say, who cares? I identify this as just another species of a disease that has long infected many Pitt fans...which is there is always something to complain about. Seriously, worry about yourself and your own enjoyment of the game [if you actually go]. If there are a few empty seats...enjoy the extra real estate. We use open seats for coats, purses, a place to put your feet and enjoy the luxury of the extra space. I'd rather have an empty seat in front of me than some jamoke that blocks my view or otherwise makes the game day atmosphere less than fun. The real concerns should be about winning games, increasing revenue, and making a Pitt game a must attend event. This other stuff is just not worthy of serious discussion. Hail to Pitt!
Probably Pitt fans who want to see Pitt do better, rather than have extra room for their coats.
 
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Probably Pitt fans who want to see Pitt do better, rather than have extra room for their coats.

Well if you think putting a tarp over a portion of the stadium and limiting ticket sales is helping Pitt--you are not as bright as I thought. In case you missed it genius, the seats have already been paid for and Pitt received the revenue. The only way you get people to show up for the games for the tickets they purchased is to: 1) have a prospect of winning; 2) play exciting ball; 3) play an opponent that people are interested in watching; 4) make attending a fun event. Likely a few more that could be added to the list, but hopefully you get the point. Be sure, the season ticket owners not showing up for the Villanova or Marshall game are certainly not going to add noise or create any atmosphere, as they are obviously apathetic and not real fans--or they would be there. Despite some of you that seem to want to see Pitt fail, I suspect that both football and basketball are going to be better than last season--and that is great news for Pitt fans! Hail to Pitt!
 
Well if you think putting a tarp over a portion of the stadium and limiting ticket sales is helping Pitt--you are not as bright as I thought. In case you missed it genius, the seats have already been paid for and Pitt received the revenue. The only way you get people to show up for the games for the tickets they purchased is to: 1) have a prospect of winning; 2) play exciting ball; 3) play an opponent that people are interested in watching; 4) make attending a fun event. Likely a few more that could be added to the list, but hopefully you get the point. Be sure, the season ticket owners not showing up for the Villanova or Marshall game are certainly not going to add noise or create any atmosphere, as they are obviously apathetic and not real fans--or they would be there. Despite some of you that seem to want to see Pitt fail, I suspect that both football and basketball are going to be better than last season--and that is great news for Pitt fans! Hail to Pitt!

Amen!!
 
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Well if you think putting a tarp over a portion of the stadium and limiting ticket sales is helping Pitt--you are not as bright as I thought. In case you missed it genius, the seats have already been paid for and Pitt received the revenue. The only way you get people to show up for the games for the tickets they purchased is to: 1) have a prospect of winning; 2) play exciting ball; 3) play an opponent that people are interested in watching; 4) make attending a fun event. Likely a few more that could be added to the list, but hopefully you get the point. Be sure, the season ticket owners not showing up for the Villanova or Marshall game are certainly not going to add noise or create any atmosphere, as they are obviously apathetic and not real fans--or they would be there. Despite some of you that seem to want to see Pitt fail, I suspect that both football and basketball are going to be better than last season--and that is great news for Pitt fans! Hail to Pitt!
Pitt hasn't sold those seats for the whole home schedule. Completely wrong. They can sell those seats for big games just as every single person has suggested.

And yes, bettering the perception Pitt can't fill up their stadium, having a less sparsely filled stadium on TV, and having fans packed in and thus generally more raucous would help Pitt.
 
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So you are concerned with cosmetics? Well Pitt chose to tear down their on campus, right-sized stadium to move to a professional venue that under the present circumstances for demand, is far too large [other than for big games/events]. Again I say, who cares? I identify this as just another species of a disease that has long infected many Pitt fans...which is there is always something to complain about. Seriously, worry about yourself and your own enjoyment of the game [if you actually go]. If there are a few empty seats...enjoy the extra real estate. We use open seats for coats, purses, a place to put your feet and enjoy the luxury of the extra space. I'd rather have an empty seat in front of me than some jamoke that blocks my view or otherwise makes the game day atmosphere less than fun. The real concerns should be about winning games, increasing revenue, and making a Pitt game a must attend event. This other stuff is just not worthy of serious discussion. Hail to Pitt!
I believe the goal is to fill the area under the demand curve.
 
Pitt hasn't sold those seats for the whole home schedule. Completely wrong. They can sell those seats for big games just as every single person has suggested.

And yes, bettering the perception Pitt can't fill up their stadium, having a less sparsely filled stadium on TV, and having fans packed in and thus generally more raucous would help Pitt.
This is exactly what I'm saying. Yes.

But, to PITTLAW and others, if Pitt shows the ability, even if only because of PSU home game or otherwise, to sell out or sell 60K+ season tickets, of course you don't reduce anything even there are no shows. I agree wholeheartedly.

As far as I understand, Pitt has sold 56K season tickets this year. The most ever in their history. Now, I was told that number includes students, if it does, that means even with their best sales ever, Pitt is still about 9K short of selling out season tickets. I say 9K because 3.5K go to the visitors.
 
This is exactly what I'm saying. Yes.

But, to PITTLAW and others, if Pitt shows the ability, even if only because of PSU home game or otherwise, to sell out or sell 60K+ season tickets, of course you don't reduce anything even there are no shows. I agree wholeheartedly.

As far as I understand, Pitt has sold 56K season tickets this year. The most ever in their history. Now, I was told that number includes students, if it does, that means even with their best sales ever, Pitt is still about 9K short of selling out season tickets. I say 9K because 3.5K go to the visitors.

No, Pitt sold every available season ticket. You cant buy season tickets right now if you wanted. The reason its 12K short of capacity is because 3000 or so go to visitors, the rest are player families, corporate sponsor tickets (which Pitt gives away far far too many), and seats unavailable to sell as season tickets becausw they were purchased as part of a 3 game plan.
 
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No, Pitt sold every available season ticket. You cant buy season tickets right now if you wanted. The reason its 12K short of capacity is because 3000 or so go to visitors, the rest are player families, corporate sponsor tickets (which Pitt gives away far far too many), and seats unavailable to sell as season tickets becausw they were purchased as part of a 3 game plan.
They sold all the seats for the games outside of the 3 game plan as well? Just curious who was a part of the 3 game plan if you know...
 
Even though it's great for us fans, Pitt season tickets are way too cheap. I'm sitting lower bowl, between 30-35 yd line, 25 rows up, and I'm at $300/seat. Cheapest season ticket was what, $147? I know Pitt is walking a fine line between making tickets affordable and marketable, and turning people off, but it just seems that the tickets aren't valued enough. Look what the Nitters charge for garbage seats. Almost triple Pit'ts cheapest.
 
Demand just isn't there. It's not happening yet. Gotta make the entertainment more desirable or the atmosphere and experience more desirable to charge more.
 
They sold all the seats for the games outside of the 3 game plan as well? Just curious who was a part of the 3 game plan if you know...

I'm not sure exactly what you are asking but you cannot buy season tickets right now. There simply aren't any left.

As for the 3 game plans, you could pick any 3 games including the PSU game I think. Technically you could still buy a 3 game plan I think but cant get PSU anymore.

Pitt should still have 5-10K tickets left to sell for most home games since very few of the 3500 visitor seats will be used (except Marshall who will bring 5K-8K or so). Plus if the game wasnt a popular 3 game package pick, that means those seats will be available.
 
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Demand just isn't there. It's not happening yet. Gotta make the entertainment more desirable or the atmosphere and experience more desirable to charge more.

Demand isnt there for a 68K stadium. I'm not saying they should do this but if they hypothetically downsized to 30K, Pitt tickets would be of astronomical value. Its simple economics. 45K is about the right size to me. Limit sales to 45K-50K and that's about perfect.

In a situation where we play PSU, ND, etc, you only offer the game as a season ticket until the right-sized stadium is sold out. Then once that happens, you start taking single game requests from PC members, season ticket holders, alumni, etc.
 
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I agree with the stadium too large supply problem. But its too late now. Steve and Nordy had one chance when they first moved. Everyone knew the capacity would be an issue.
 
I agree with the stadium too large supply problem. But its too late now. Steve and Nordy had one chance when they first moved. Everyone knew the capacity would be an issue.

Its not too late. You dont need a tarp. You just close off the upper deck endzone and non-TV upper deck sideline. Fewer available season tickets help push the price up.

I know people who like sitting in the upper deck. Its cheaper and they can see the whole field. Well, by closing off the non-TV sideline upper deck, now all those upper deckers have to fight over a more limited supply of tickets driving up prices. Thing is, besides huge games, you're only going to get 40K-45K Pitt fans there, so why not condense them into smaller areas?
 
Its not too late. You dont need a tarp. You just close off the upper deck endzone and non-TV upper deck sideline. Fewer available season tickets help push the price up.

I know people who like sitting in the upper deck. Its cheaper and they can see the whole field. Well, by closing off the non-TV sideline upper deck, now all those upper deckers have to fight over a more limited supply of tickets driving up prices. Thing is, besides huge games, you're only going to get 40K-45K Pitt fans there, so why not condense them into smaller areas?
Only issue being the non TV sideline is the home sideline. But, I don't disagree. This is a smart idea. Also, that the upper deck with the view of skyline as well. Maybe if the TV side can be flipped? Otherwise, the away side is ideal with only the first 5 or 6 rows upper deck seats before the concrete wall left available while the remainder is covered via blue or gold tarp. Those rows are some of the best seats in the stadium. Actually, in my opinion, they are the best seats.

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I believe the goal is to fill the area under the demand curve.


You cannot reverse damage that was inflicted over nearly 18 years in one or two seasons. You will see vast improvements in seats in butts this season, provided the product on the field is competitive, fun and wins. It is going to take several years of marketing, fan friendly decisions, etc. to shift the demand curve and see the result all want. Be sure, it is very unlikely that Pitt is ever going to fill Heinz Field for every game every season unless major upgrades and investments are made--and that is unlikely in the present economy and political situation. Hail to Pitt!
 
Only issue being the non TV sideline is the home sideline. But, I don't disagree. This is a smart idea. Also, that the upper deck with the view of skyline as well. Maybe if the TV side can be flipped? Otherwise, the away side is ideal with only the first 5 or 6 rows upper deck seats before the concrete wall left available while the remainder is covered via blue or gold tarp. Those rows are some of the best seats in the stadium. Actually, in my opinion, they are the best seats.

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The problem with your plan is that season ticket demand exceeds what you propose, don't you get that? Moreover, there are great seats between the 30's on that side that plenty of long time customers want. Should Pitt alienate those fans for a cosmetic effect for those games that are actually televised? Such silliness. Stop worrying about how the stadium looks on television and go to the games in person. Perhaps Pitt can restrict crowd shots of the stadium to the student section....lol. It is no wonder Pitt has fan issues...when people are worried about how things look on television versus serious issues like recruiting budgets, retaining coaching talent, etc. By the way, the noise factor which is a big part of atmosphere cannot be hidden....you need bodies for that--and no amount of "hiding empty seats" will improve upon that--it is pretty simple. Hail to Pitt!
 
Pitt hasn't sold those seats for the whole home schedule. Completely wrong. They can sell those seats for big games just as every single person has suggested.

And yes, bettering the perception Pitt can't fill up their stadium, having a less sparsely filled stadium on TV, and having fans packed in and thus generally more raucous would help Pitt.

Show me a season ticket that is available for a home Pitt football game. If people stopped talking about attendance and actually went to the game, the perception and situation would change quickly. Hail to PItt!
 
The problem with your plan is that season ticket demand exceeds what you propose, don't you get that? Moreover, there are great seats between the 30's on that side that plenty of long time customers want. Should Pitt alienate those fans for a cosmetic effect for those games that are actually televised? Such silliness. Stop worrying about how the stadium looks on television and go to the games in person. Perhaps Pitt can restrict crowd shots of the stadium to the student section....lol. It is no wonder Pitt has fan issues...when people are worried about how things look on television versus serious issues like recruiting budgets, retaining coaching talent, etc. By the way, the noise factor which is a big part of atmosphere cannot be hidden....you need bodies for that--and no amount of "hiding empty seats" will improve upon that--it is pretty simple. Hail to Pitt!
I was just thinking about it more and you're right. Though, when it's not well attended, ESPN and Co. do actually mostly restrict shots to the student section. But, I have always and still standby my thought that that upper deck end zone bleachers should be have a tarp. Either with a Pitt script or a giant UPMC. I think just over/under 60K is fine. 45K is too small. GT, Virginia and other like ACC sqauds have 55K to 60K. I also think it would look more like Pitt's place. It would standout, for better or worse.

And, seeing the way Miami's field looks for the Hurricanes with a clean logo at midfield and MIAMI in each end zone. Or, how Temple looked v. ND and PSU last season, Pitt should make a real effort to make the turf look like theirs and much less generic than it looks now. Just that alone would improve the cosmetics and reduce the capacity while still allowing for a crowd at the level of 60K Three Rivers provided.
 
How about we save this mind numbing discussion for a day when Pitt is averaging 9 wins a season. Then if demand isn't there, you start talking about tarps.

The idea of dragging tarps out is stupid. Empty seats or tarps? Why does it matter? Win, see if they fill up, then deal with it. Until then, I doubt anyone outside of this message board cares.
 
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Only brought it out because the season hasn't started yet, it's not game week yet and the closed practices have essentially eliminated most if not all compelling discussion about the players and team.
 
USC is same situation we are in , but tarps are a Busch league. Miami is also same situation we are in , city schools learning how to grab the spoken for dollar. Tarps are not the answer , thinking , planning , development are the answer. No easy way out, tarps easy and stupid
 
USC is same situation we are in , but tarps are a Busch league. Miami is also same situation we are in , city schools learning how to grab the spoken for dollar. Tarps are not the answer , thinking , planning , development are the answer. No easy way out, tarps easy and stupid
A strategically placed tarp in the least desirable seats (end zone upper deck bleachers) is, no doubt, a quick fix. But, can be done to be ascetically pleasing and reduce capacity while the planning and learning how to snag the dollar is attended to.

Now that the RAMS are sharing that stadium this season, I wonder if USC will have white circle with SC in it as well one end zone reading LOS ANGELES and the other with generic slashes that look like rip off of Notre Dame too. Ugh.

Even beyond the tarps, can we all agree that field should at least look like Pitt's a la other city schools like Temple and The U who also share a pro stadium.
 
I was just thinking about it more and you're right. Though, when it's not well attended, ESPN and Co. do actually mostly restrict shots to the student section. But, I have always and still standby my thought that that upper deck end zone bleachers should be have a tarp. Either with a Pitt script or a giant UPMC. I think just over/under 60K is fine. 45K is too small. GT, Virginia and other like ACC sqauds have 55K to 60K. I also think it would look more like Pitt's place. It would standout, for better or worse.

And, seeing the way Miami's field looks for the Hurricanes with a clean logo at midfield and MIAMI in each end zone. Or, how Temple looked v. ND and PSU last season, Pitt should make a real effort to make the turf look like theirs and much less generic than it looks now. Just that alone would improve the cosmetics and reduce the capacity while still allowing for a crowd at the level of 60K Three Rivers provided.


Generally speaking, tarps look minor league. Everyone that sees them on television or that is in the stadium knows what they are covering--empty seats. People are really not that stupid. It is like a man that wears a toupe, exactly nobody is fooled into thinking he has hair. Focus the attention and money on what matters, marketing, recruiting budgets, and improving the fan experience in the stadium. They added beer this season. Hopefully they improve the frisking and entry to the stadium as another thing to improve game day. As for painting the endzone and midfield, unfortunately when you are a tenant, you are at the mercy of your landlord. My understanding is the Steelers object, but perhaps that too can be overcome with the new administration. Hail to Pitt!
 
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Even though it's great for us fans, Pitt season tickets are way too cheap. I'm sitting lower bowl, between 30-35 yd line, 25 rows up, and I'm at $300/seat. Cheapest season ticket was what, $147? I know Pitt is walking a fine line between making tickets affordable and marketable, and turning people off, but it just seems that the tickets aren't valued enough. Look what the Nitters charge for garbage seats. Almost triple Pit'ts cheapest.

Supply and demand.
 
The only reason any Pitt fan cares about empty seats with 50k in attendance is because a Nitter got under his skin.

You can't strut around about "Joe Knew" while you point and laugh at the butt hurt and then pretend that's not why empty seats bug you. Even at 9 wins a season, Pitt could probably be happy with a 50k average.

I'll add that TV dollars move schools and conferences. Attendance, not so much.
 
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