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In an alternate reality everything is the same EXCEPT

Tomlin is the Pitt Panthers HC and Narduzzi is the Steelers HC

In that alternate reality who makes out better? Panthers or Steelers?
 
PittPanthers90 said:
In an alternate reality everything is the same EXCEPT

Tomlin is the Pitt Panthers HC and Narduzzi is the Steelers HC

In that alternate reality who makes out better? Panthers or Steelers?
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Stillers pass defense tonight sure looked like a Narduzzi pass defense
 
BFo8 said:
I think Tomlin would be a really good recruiter.

If the complexities of the college game are too much for Narduzzi he would probably really be puzzled and abrasive in the NFL.
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I would have to agree, I think Tomiln could be a very good recruiter. Other than that I think they are basically the same coach.

Narduzzi looked good with Boyd,Connor, and Nate at QB. Tomlin looks good because he has always had Big Ben, AB (or Ward), and good RBs

Neither knows what defense is even though it is their alleged specialty
 
Tomlin would build a collegiate dynasty anywhere, he would absolutely kill it in recruiting.
 
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The NFL offenses actually seem far more conservative or at least not as tricky, and each team obviously should have top notch athletes so I think Duz D actually fares better there
 
Wildman4Pitt said:
I think he needs another 4 years, to see if he can get his D set up and in place, we will be unstoppable.
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Duzz is Wanny wo the bling & $4K suits......

Although that worthless POS Smiley f’d up Pitt’s situation beyond the nth degree......it was his job, 100% encumbant on him to work out things, not blow it up and magnify the problem followed by 10x’s again.
Pitt may be lucky to still have a program after what that jackass did to it....
 
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It might be a win/win situation, I could see Tomlin with all his BS being a decent recruiter and Maybe Narduzzi could instill a little more discipline in the Steelers.
 
Pitt79 said:
It might be a win/win situation, I could see Tomlin with all his BS being a decent recruiter and Maybe Narduzzi could instill a little more discipline in the Steelers.
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That bs college "discipline" stuff doesn't work in the pro's why do you think the likes of Greg Schiano was laughed at by his players and the rest of the NFL. Belichick isn't really a hard ass he just has the power from his owner to trade away or cut players who are a problem or screw up to much, it's was the same from Noll, Shula and Landry back in the day.
 
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happjack said:
That bs college "discipline" stuff doesn't work in the pro's why do you think the likes of Greg Schiano was laughed at by his players and the rest of the NFL. Belichick isn't really a hard ass he just has the power from his owner to trade away or cut players who are a problem or screw up to much, it's was the same from Noll, Shula and Landry back in the day.
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Maybe, but maybe just a little bit of discipline could be a big change for the Steelers.
 
I think overall the Steelers "disciplinary" issues are little more than excessive local focus and comparisons to bygone era's that had issues as well but they were easily hidden.

Many teams have malcontents like Bell and divas like Brown.

The star QB (on teams lucky to have one) pretty much makes his own rules everywhere.

But the Heyward Bey indiscretion last night, and things like the Harrison season-long insubordination last year, do give some reasons to raise the brow.
 
Tomlin is a top 5-7? coach in the NFL. He'd probably be a hell of a recruiter, he is a player's coach (which might be a little bit of a problem, especially in the NFL, but overall would help at Pitt.) I have very little doubt Tomlin would be doing better than Narduzzi, who is still learning how to be a head coach and deal with pressure.
 
happjack said:
That bs college "discipline" stuff doesn't work in the pro's why do you think the likes of Greg Schiano was laughed at by his players and the rest of the NFL. Belichick isn't really a hard ass he just has the power from his owner to trade away or cut players who are a problem or screw up to much, it's was the same from Noll, Shula and Landry back in the day.
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Tom Coughlin says hello
 
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McKee Place said:
But the Heyward Bey indiscretion last night, and things like the Harrison season-long insubordination last year, do give some reasons to raise the brow.
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Mostly I'm talking about reigning in stuff like that. I'm an azzhole, so I want very badly to curse out the ref-I take joy in messing with people, so I'd probably do it over and over if I saw I wasn't being punished somehow.
 
No coach wins without great players and that's in every sport at every level . The man who pays the bills thinks he's a pretty good coach and I doubt that Mike Tomlin really cares what anyone else thinks. His record says all he has to say to anyone and he be unemployed for about 5 minutes if he ever left the Steelers .
Too bad Pitt doesn't pay the Steelers to be their next headhunter !
 
Pitt79 said:
Myself, I think he's not. He's had the benefit of having a HOF QB his entire career, with Ben he's never had a losing season. When Ben retires, the losing seasons will pile up fast, he's nothing, he's been carried by Ben.
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Who’s better?
 
Fsgolfdr said:
No coach wins without great players and that's in every sport at every level . The man who pays the bills thinks he's a pretty good coach and I doubt that Mike Tomlin really cares what anyone else thinks. His record says all he has to say to anyone and he be unemployed for about 5 minutes if he ever left the Steelers .
Too bad Pitt doesn't pay the Steelers to be their next headhunter !
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The Steelers offer to be headhunter each time we have a vacancy. The head they deliver is always Tom Bradley.
 
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Fsgolfdr said:
Might have been a better move unless you like what's going on now !
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At one time, sure. But after confirmation via sworn court testimony to have watched Sandusky with youths in PSU showers ... aka "Tom Knew", and took no action ... no thanks
 
Pitt79 said:
Myself, I think he's not. He's had the benefit of having a HOF QB his entire career, with Ben he's never had a losing season. When Ben retires, the losing seasons will pile up fast, he's nothing, he's been carried by Ben.
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Then who is better? Name an active coach that you'd put above Tomlin that hasn't had a franchise QB for most of their tenure.

Belicheck? He has had Brady for almost his entire career, and certainly his entire successful career. His record before Brady is 36-60.

McCarthy has had Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers for his entire career. How'd he do last year without Rodgers? His team went 3-6. His Packers consistently rank near the bottom of the league in both rushing offense and virtually every defensive category.

Andy Reid? Had 6-time Pro Bowler McNabb (85 lifetime Passer Rating)for most of his career. He's no Ben, but he was a top tier qb for nearly a decade. Has a sub .500 Playoff record.

John Harbaugh? He's had Flacco his entire career. Again, Flacco isn't Ben but he is statistically very similar to McNabb and a top tier QB of his time. He's also missed the playoffs 4 of the last 5 seasons, while Tomlin's made the playoffs 4 out of the last 5.

Pete Carroll? 47-49 before 4-time Pro Bowler Russell Wilson. Wilson who will be a shoe-in for the HOF if he keeps playing the way he has.

Sean Payton? First ballot HOFer Drew Brees during his entire career, and still has almost as many losing seasons as winning season (4 vs 6). His defense is consistently one of the worst in the NFL almost every season (28th, 32nd, 31st, and 10th in points allowed in the last 4 years).

Ron Rivera? Mike Zimmer? How far down the list would you place Tomlin?

BTW Tomlin is 10-8 in games without Roethlisberger. Not amazing, but still a winning coach with a back-up QB.

I'm not saying that he's better than all the coaches listed, but Tomlin's accomplished more than all but 1 or 2 active NFL coaches.
 
CJsE said:
Then who is better? Name an active coach that you'd put above Tomlin that hasn't had a franchise QB for most of their tenure.

Belicheck? He has had Brady for almost his entire career, and certainly his entire successful career. His record before Brady is 36-60.

McCarthy has had Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers for his entire career. How'd he do last year without Rodgers? His team went 3-6. His Packers consistently rank near the bottom of the league in both rushing offense and virtually every defensive category.

Andy Reid? Had 6-time Pro Bowler McNabb (85 lifetime Passer Rating)for most of his career. He's no Ben, but he was a top tier qb for nearly a decade. Has a sub .500 Playoff record.

John Harbaugh? He's had Flacco his entire career. Again, Flacco isn't Ben but he is statistically very similar to McNabb and a top tier QB of his time. He's also missed the playoffs 4 of the last 5 seasons, while Tomlin's made the playoffs 4 out of the last 5.

Pete Carroll? 47-49 before 4-time Pro Bowler Russell Wilson. Wilson who will be a shoe-in for the HOF if he keeps playing the way he has.

Sean Payton? First ballot HOFer Drew Brees during his entire career, and still has almost as many losing seasons as winning season (4 vs 6). His defense is consistently one of the worst in the NFL almost every season (28th, 32nd, 31st, and 10th in points allowed in the last 4 years).

Ron Rivera? Mike Zimmer? How far down the list would you place Tomlin?

BTW Tomlin is 10-8 in games without Roethlisberger. Not amazing, but still a winning coach with a back-up QB.

I'm not saying that he's better than all the coaches listed, but Tomlin's accomplished more than all but 1 or 2 active NFL coaches.
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I personally think most "great" NFL coaches if not all are CARRIED by HofF stud QBs, then without them they suck, How about that Chuck Noll after Bradshaw retired? I'll be impressed by tomlin if he doesn't have any losing seasons after Ben retires.
 
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Fsgolfdr said:
Doesn't the present coach come from MSU . Hell nothing bad happened there .
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If sworn court testimony about the present coach exists or emerges for something similarly heinous as Bradley, then definitely I'd favor detaching from him as well.

Prior to that coming to light, I'd have had no problem hiring Bradley for Pitt. He likely would have recruited well locally, if nothing else. Media would have solidly been on his side.
 
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Tomlin has done very well. He and BR, like a couple others, have had the misfortune of their primes coinciding with the reign of Belichick and Brady. The Steelers duo are firmly behind those 2, but so basically have been everyone else. Whether you want to attribute that to brilliance, cheating, lucky officiating, etc etc is beside the point. NE has likely directly or indirectly cost the Steelers at least a couple additional SB trips
 
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McKee Place said:
Tomlin has done very well. He and BR, like a couple others, have had the misfortune of their primes coinciding with the reign of Belichick and Brady. The Steelers duo are firmly behind those 2, but so basically have been everyone else. Whether you want to attribute that to brilliance, cheating, lucky officiating, etc etc is beside the point. NE has likely directly or indirectly cost the Steelers at least a couple additional SB trips
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Honestly, in the NE Era, Pittsburgh has a strong case for #2, with 2 Super Bowl wins and 3 appearances and a host of division titles.
 
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