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True Frosh QB for ASU who competed for the starting spot but was beat out by another Frosh....so he didn’t want to sit or wait for an injury etc. Played in one game. They lost the game he had 4 TD & 2 INTs. Key INT on the final drive. True pocket passer. Rivals had him as 3 star and 24/7 had him as 4 star. He got a late Georgia offer but otherwise not a lot of big offers. None of the 4 CA (he’s from CA) PAC 12 schools offered.

Seems to have nice ability if you watch some of the video from the one game he played in. Any comp is always good. I think Beville has nice potential but who knows. And no Beville does not seem like the type who is afraid of comp.

I thought he played pretty well on short notice in the USC game. I don’t blame him for leaving either, with Daniels there he’s never going to get to play outside of injury so why not try and start over at a new school.
 
It would be less but I still think it’s discussed. It’s been beaten to death but his lack of accuracy is an issue. Both with incompletes and yards left on the field due to not being in stride. Sometimes his balls aren’t as easy to catch as they should be.

Others have said and I agree - on a team with a lot of talent Pickett would be seen as a lot better. There’s just a lack of talent everywhere you look on the offensive side of the ball.
Including at QB.
 
You don't believe the coach ever plays a favorite over a better player? You don't believe a local star ever gets preference? You don't believe your most ballyhooed recruits get preference?

You never played on a team and never wondered why someone was playing over someone else (not yourself)?
Not at the level where the livelihoods of the people making personnel decisions and the millions they make depend on winning.

People don’t have any idea who the best players on a team are and who’s performing best in practice. They don’t know who has talent but a bad attitude or who doesn’t do what the coaches demand of them every day.

Pickett is playing because he’s the best we have. That is unlikely to change by next fall. The real issue is the failure to recruit and develop the position.
 
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Not at the level where the livelihoods of the people making personnel decisions and the millions they make depend on winning.

People don’t have any idea who the best players on a team are and who’s performing best in practice. They don’t know who has talent but a bad attitude or who doesn’t do what the coaches demand of them every day.

Pickett is playing because he’s the best we have. That is unlikely to change by next fall. The real issue is the failure to recruit and develop the position.


Pickett is not a local kid. He was also not a ballyhooed recruit. They went with every other QB on the roster before starting him. Is it hard to understand that he is the best on their roster.

His last game stats were 30 of 40 with 5 dropped passes and 2 or 3 poorly runner routes. One of those routes lead to an interception

The team lost 2 thousand yard rushers from the year before and were starting 4 players on offensive line. Tipton was expected to have a breakout year but got hurt.

our offensive line is one year older and stronger. We have 2 TE transfers. One is a former WR and the other from the SEC. We have 3 players that were rated as 4 stars on a service at WR. We have added the N.Y. Gatorade player of the year at RB

I still don’t get the yinzer mentality that Duzz would start an inferior talent at QB with the possible progression of this offense. We saw Patti play a game and he didn’t light it up. I guess Beville will be the new king of the mat until he actually plays and then another QB recruit will hold this title
 
The offense will be better next year they were young at pretty much every position group. A lot of dropped balls, fumbles, penalties. OL another year in the weight room and a year older.
 
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Not at the level where the livelihoods of the people making personnel decisions and the millions they make depend on winning.

People don’t have any idea who the best players on a team are and who’s performing best in practice. They don’t know who has talent but a bad attitude or who doesn’t do what the coaches demand of them every day.

Pickett is playing because he’s the best we have. That is unlikely to change by next fall. The real issue is the failure to recruit and develop the position.
My comment was a general comment.

Specifically, Pickett is and always will be, my guy.
 
Flat out stinks may be a little harsh, how about serviceable but inconsistent? No argument with being the best we have right now, I don’t think that’s even debatable.
Maybe a little harsh. But I’ve watched a lot of him at this point and I see a guy who has accuracy issues, touch issues, decision making issues, issues making reads, and a lack of feel for what’s going on around him.

I think he’s physically tough, has decent mobility and arm strength, but those qualities are offset by the flaws. Especially the accuracy and touch issues.

How many times the past two seasons did we see him try to force a screen pass when it wasn’t there? It’s like he doesn’t have wherewithal when things are moving at game speed.
 
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That's just what we need another hyped,ex high school q.b.-remember max Browne - who couldn't beat the starter so he left.
What makes anyone here thinks he will beat out the other qbs here for the job. And since he is coming ASU he has to sit a year.
I'd rather go with Patti or Neville, take my chances on the future and recruit a good freshman q.b. this or next year.
Whats the point in Bringing in grad transfers to help if your still going to win 7 or 8 games a year ?
 
Thought of Max Browne too but this a little different. They need a qb this class. He’ll have 3 yrs elig left.
 
That's just what we need another hyped,ex high school q.b.-remember max Browne - who couldn't beat the starter so he left.
What makes anyone here thinks he will beat out the other qbs here for the job. And since he is coming ASU he has to sit a year.
I'd rather go with Patti or Neville, take my chances on the future and recruit a good freshman q.b. this or next year.
Whats the point in Bringing in grad transfers to help if your still going to win 7 or 8 games a year ?

So u r ok with no QB in this class?

Got it.

Next question. What if Patti transfers out?

Still ok?

Sounds like the coaching staff is being proactive and you're upset about it.
 
That's just what we need another hyped,ex high school q.b.-remember max Browne - who couldn't beat the starter so he left.
What makes anyone here thinks he will beat out the other qbs here for the job. And since he is coming ASU he has to sit a year.
I'd rather go with Patti or Neville, take my chances on the future and recruit a good freshman q.b. this or next year.
Whats the point in Bringing in grad transfers to help if your still going to win 7 or 8 games a year ?

Just because one guy didn’t work out it doesn’t mean the next guy won’t either. One has nothing to do with the other.

Savage and Peterman both worked out pretty well.
 
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That's just what we need another hyped,ex high school q.b.-remember max Browne - who couldn't beat the starter so he left.
What makes anyone here thinks he will beat out the other qbs here for the job. And since he is coming ASU he has to sit a year.
I'd rather go with Patti or Neville, take my chances on the future and recruit a good freshman q.b. this or next year.
Whats the point in Bringing in grad transfers to help if your still going to win 7 or 8 games a year ?

Really really dumb take.
I mean really dumb

You can't name one freshman QB we could recruit in the next month and a half

ASU recruited 3 freshman QBs last year, Yellen committed early, before the guy who became the starter committed. I think the starter was the #2 all purpose QB in the rankings. All 3 battled it out for the starting role. Yellen ended up as the #2.

Makes sense for him to move on when given they were both freshman. Yellen will have 3 years eligibility left after sitting out his transfer year.
He is far better than any freshman QB Pitt could bring in in this class. Any freshman QB would redshirt anyway so that is not an issue. So what is the downside.
 
Really really dumb take.
I mean really dumb

You can't name one freshman QB we could recruit in the next month and a half

ASU recruited 3 freshman QBs last year, Yellen committed early, before the guy who became the starter committed. I think the starter was the #2 all purpose QB in the rankings. All 3 battled it out for the starting role. Yellen ended up as the #2.

Makes sense for him to move on when given they were both freshman. Yellen will have 3 years eligibility left after sitting out his transfer year.
He is far better than any freshman QB Pitt could bring in in this class. Any freshman QB would redshirt anyway so that is not an issue. So what is the downside.

Once Daniels signed Yellen was an afterthought, there’s no way ASU gets a recruit like him and doesn’t anoint him the starter from day 1.

As long as he is healthy he’s the auto starter, so I don’t blame Yellen at all for exploring his options. If he wants the chance to play he has to leave, hopefully he takes a serious look at Pitt.
 
So u r ok with no QB in this class?

Got it.

Next question. What if Patti transfers out?

Still ok?

Sounds like the coaching staff is being proactive and you're upset about it.

We need one in this class... my gut, Patti transfers....
 
Yeah, it does. Even big time coaches fall in love with a guy and keep with him to a fault. It has cost guys their job.

"Big time coaches fall in love with a guy". I translate that as they think that the player gives them the best chance to win. "It has cost guys their job". That is exactly the point. Losing will cost a coach their job. So maybe coaches are putting certain players on the field to give them the best chance to win.

Who has the ideal height, arm and pedigree between Duck and Rudolph? It's obvious Duck does not have NFL height or arm strength. Tomlin benched Rudolph because he thought Duck would give him the best chance to win. The yinzers loved Duck. The backup QBs should run for mayor. He wasn't giving the Steelers the best chance to win so he was benched.

The QB on the roster that gives PITT a better chance to win will start. Remember when Duzz benched Voytik for Peterman? He has done it in the past. To imply he would not do that now is just illogical
 
I don't think it can be stated enough that we lost two 1,000-yard rushers, a terrific fullback and four OL starters.

That said, Kenny was the 4th leading passer in the ACC, 46th nationally. He completed 61% of his passes. Yeah, there is a lot of improvement needed because he only had 10 TDs and 9 INTs. Just think if our receivers and tight ends cut the drops in half? That's 20 more receptions at a 6.4 average (being very conservative there) and that puts Kenny at 2,865 yards, 33rd in the nation.

And how many more offensive plays come after those 20 extra receptions?

Eight guys ran for more yards than we did as a team. Our running game was horrible this year.

Lawrence passed for 400 yards more than Kenny. But he had a much better team. I'm not saying that if you stuck Kenny on Clemson that they would still be as awesome, but if you stuck Lawrence on Pitt this year he would have had serious issues with the offense.

Kenny would also have been the 4th leading passer in the SEC this year, 6th in the Big 12. He would have been 1-yard away from 5th in the Fat 10. He completed a higher % than State Pen's Clifford, for more yards as well.
 
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I don't think it can be stated enough that we lost two 1,000-yard rushers, a terrific fullback and four OL starters.

That said, Kenny was the 4th leading passer in the ACC, 46th nationally. He completed 61% of his passes. Yeah, there is a lot of improvement needed because he only had 10 TDs and 9 INTs. Just think if our receivers and tight ends cut the drops in half? That's 20 more receptions at a 6.4 average (being very conservative there) and that puts Kenny at 2,865 yards, 33rd in the nation.

And how many more offensive plays come after those 20 extra receptions?

Eight guys ran for more yards than we did as a team. Our running game was horrible this year.

Lawrence passed for 400 yards more than Kenny. But he had a much better team. I'm not saying that if you stuck Kenny on Clemson that they would still be as awesome, but if you stuck Lawrence on Pitt this year he would have had serious issues with the offense.

Kenny would also have been the 4th leading passer in the SEC this year, 6th in the Big 12. He would have been 1-yard away from 5th in the Fat 10. He completed a higher % than State Pen's Clifford, for more yards as well.

We lost players but its the job of the staff to be sure the team "reloads."
It may not be an exact equal add but this OL, RB's, WR's, TE's weren't close to replacing what PITT lost to the NFL or graduation.

Big gap!

This recent recruiting class should close the player replacement gap.

It may
 
Its a Pittsburgh thing. No matter what - the backup QB is always better and the coaching staff are all idiots


Well said Joe!!!!!

BULLSEYE!!!!

BINGO!!!

BRAVO!!!

I’ll add to that... If we lose a game 62-51, it’s because the play calling was lousy. Never mind that the defense gave up 62 points! The yinzer reasoning is that head coach should have known the defense couldn’t stop anybody, thus the offensive game plan should have been better.
 
I don't think it can be stated enough that we lost two 1,000-yard rushers, a terrific fullback and four OL starters.

That said, Kenny was the 4th leading passer in the ACC, 46th nationally. He completed 61% of his passes. Yeah, there is a lot of improvement needed because he only had 10 TDs and 9 INTs. Just think if our receivers and tight ends cut the drops in half? That's 20 more receptions at a 6.4 average (being very conservative there) and that puts Kenny at 2,865 yards, 33rd in the nation.

And how many more offensive plays come after those 20 extra receptions?

Eight guys ran for more yards than we did as a team. Our running game was horrible this year.

Lawrence passed for 400 yards more than Kenny. But he had a much better team. I'm not saying that if you stuck Kenny on Clemson that they would still be as awesome, but if you stuck Lawrence on Pitt this year he would have had serious issues with the offense.

Kenny would also have been the 4th leading passer in the SEC this year, 6th in the Big 12. He would have been 1-yard away from 5th in the Fat 10. He completed a higher % than State Pen's Clifford, for more yards as well.

Look at his efficiency numbers. Pickett is 8th or 9th in the ACC in yards per attempt, adjusted yards per attempt, quarterback rating. If he was 4th in the conference in yards it's because he was 2nd in attempts.

I'm not saying a better player is on the bench. Practices are closed so we have no clue. But he's not particularly effective compared to his peers.
 
I don't think it can be stated enough that we lost two 1,000-yard rushers, a terrific fullback and four OL starters.

That said, Kenny was the 4th leading passer in the ACC, 46th nationally. He completed 61% of his passes. Yeah, there is a lot of improvement needed because he only had 10 TDs and 9 INTs. Just think if our receivers and tight ends cut the drops in half? That's 20 more receptions at a 6.4 average (being very conservative there) and that puts Kenny at 2,865 yards, 33rd in the nation.

And how many more offensive plays come after those 20 extra receptions?

Eight guys ran for more yards than we did as a team. Our running game was horrible this year.

Lawrence passed for 400 yards more than Kenny. But he had a much better team. I'm not saying that if you stuck Kenny on Clemson that they would still be as awesome, but if you stuck Lawrence on Pitt this year he would have had serious issues with the offense.

Kenny would also have been the 4th leading passer in the SEC this year, 6th in the Big 12. He would have been 1-yard away from 5th in the Fat 10. He completed a higher % than State Pen's Clifford, for more yards as well.
Win you refuse to try to run the ball, you'll rack up fat stats....and sometimes thin results. Averaging less than 6 point/game in the second half is inexcusable. And it cost us 3 or 4 games.
 
"Big time coaches fall in love with a guy". I translate that as they think that the player gives them the best chance to win. "It has cost guys their job". That is exactly the point. Losing will cost a coach their job. So maybe coaches are putting certain players on the field to give them the best chance to win.

Who has the ideal height, arm and pedigree between Duck and Rudolph? It's obvious Duck does not have NFL height or arm strength. Tomlin benched Rudolph because he thought Duck would give him the best chance to win. The yinzers loved Duck. The backup QBs should run for mayor. He wasn't giving the Steelers the best chance to win so he was benched.

The QB on the roster that gives PITT a better chance to win will start. Remember when Duzz benched Voytik for Peterman? He has done it in the past. To imply he would not do that now is just illogical

I never suggested Duzz would but there are coaches who have done that.
 
Would like Davis B. to get meaningful reps with the one's in spring against the returning one's on D. Patti as well. Duzz can look at his tape of Pickett all he wants in the film room and that's what he should expect going into the summer. The only thing that may improve is the receiving corps. Pickett will always struggle with the limited RPO plays and progression reads. He's not a natural. Look at the tape. He's not.
We don't need see anymore of Patti... we're good! :rolleyes:
 
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