Roster Talent Rankings: College Football Teams With The Best Players Entering 2017, LINK!

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Hmmnnnn..last year once the NFL Draft was over, I did an Analysis counting how many 4 & 5 Stars Recruits were on the CFB PW5 Rosters just to see how Pitt was measuring up and to help predict talent versus Coaching & Recruiting. I posted it to share on the Lair. I know others do it far better and found this today and again sharing it on the Lair.

Way back in late 1990-Early 2000 I used to go through the Top 6 Conferences and count the NFL Draft Picks by Conference and then divide them by the number of Teams to get a Per Capita and the Big East back then actually was doing better then the Big-12 and ACC until 2006 after the ACC Expansion took VT BC, and Miami away. Terry Bowden then an Analysts did the same thing later so I cut it out. Hope others take up the Mantle on the Lair!

These are good measures and indications of the health of prowess of CFB Programs and help with analysis to predict games along with Coaches that do far more with far less. Last year my count had PSU at 27, Pitt at 16, and WVU 11 of just 4 & 5 Stars Talent just as a comparison. PSU has greatly improved this year and will add even more in 2018. Pitt & WVU need to do better.

If anyone finds such similar article comparisons I hope to link them to the Lair. I limited the Teams to whom Pitt, PSU, and WVU play against. Go To Link for Full Analysis. I could not find the entire analysis for all Teams on CBS 247, so just a partial lists. If someone can please post it.
Excerpt:
Based strictly on player recruiting rankings, these are the best rosters in college football.
College football is not a sport of Cinderella stories. While teams at the bottom of Power Five conferences one year, and the occasional Group of Five program, may get their day in the sun with an opportunity to jump into a New Year's Six bowl game, the modern era of college football crowns national champions that have rosters littered with former four-star and five-star prospects.

Recruiting matters, but one strong cycle is not enough to win big. Clemson's 2016-17 title, for example, came as a result of several strong classes in a row -- from junior Deshaun Watson and his classmates to sophomore Christian Wilkins to true freshman Dexter Lawrence.

All three players were highly rated prospects in top-20 classes, and even the hyper-talented Tigers didn't have the recruiting rankings of the two previous College Football Playoff National Champions (Alabama, Ohio State).

Now that 2017 National Signing Day is well in the books, our rolling talent rankings (a five-year average of the 247Sports Composite team rankings)..............These rankings are raw: They don't take player attrition, player development, transfers or other factors into consideration. Instead, our goal is to use a snapshot of recruiting success over five cycles to establish some tiers heading into next season.

Here's where your last 10 national champions rank on this list:
SEC Alabama (No. 1
B10 Ohio State (No. 2),
SEC LSU (No. 3) (Orogeron better Win?)
ACC Florida State (No. 4)
SEC Auburn (No. 7
SEC Florida (No. 10
ACC Clemson (No. 12)

Underperformers:
SEC Georgia (No. 5) (Why Richt Is At Miami?)
INP-ACC Notre Dame (No. 8) (Kelly Has A problem?)
SEC Texas A&M (No. 9)
SEC Tennessee (No. 11)
PAC-12 UCLA (No. 13)

Just outside Top 25:
B10 Nebraska (27.2)
B10 Michigan State (27.4)
ACC Virginia Tech (28.6) (Pitt Was Up Against Some Talent?)
P12 Arizona State (29.2) (GraHAM Coaching Problem?)
B12 Baylor (29.2) (Compliance Issues Now?)

Team Conference 5-year average 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017
1. Alabama SEC 1 1 1 1 1 1 (For JPripper88)
2. Ohio State Big Ten 3.6 2 3 7 4 2
4. Florida State ACC 5 10 4 3 2 6
6. USC Pac-12 7.2 12 10 2 8 4
8. Notre Dame Independent 11 5 11 13 15 11
12. Clemson ACC 13.4 15 18 8 10 16
14. Michigan Big Ten 14.4 4 20 38 5 5
18. Miami ACC 17.4 14 12 26 22 13
21. Penn State Big Ten 21.2 33 24 14 20 15
22. Stanford Pac-12 23.6 51 13 24 16 14

LINK:
http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...ll-teams-with-the-best-players-entering-2017/

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

I found the entire Composite Ratings at USA Today using CBS247 last Five Years:
PSU 21.6
PITT 37.2
WVU 40

My view thisi s the weakness in CBS247 & USA Today Analysis limited to Pure Raw Recruiting. They don't understand the COACHING FACTOR as far as I am concern. For example, he says uses Georgia Tech as an aberration, but I have always said, GT's Johnson always coaches up his Recruits into Players that make Good Teams and proving it is not all recruiting. NU Fitzgerald, KSU Synder, TCU Patterson, WSU Leach, ULou Petrino, Wisky Alvarez-Chryst, Iowa Ferentz, Utah's Petersen, OKST Gundy, and include Pitt's Narduzzi that have lower Recruiting Classes but coach up them to Better Teams that can beat the Best Recruiting Teams with Higher Talent at Times. We see that every year and Franklin did it to OSU and Narduzzi to Clemson and Penn State! Holgrosen not so much?

Of Course when one gets an Elite Coach like BAMA's Saban, OSU's Meyers, FSU's Fisher and has the Program to Recruit & Coach they will dominate. At the same time, ND's Kelly, UT's Strong, South Carolina & Former Florida Muschamp or Zook also could Recruit but not Coach up Recruits into Players to form Better Teams?
USA TODAY LINK:
EXCERPT:
Looking back at how each team from the Power Five conferences has recruited during the past five cycles — a period that would encompass every class from the incoming freshmen signed on Wednesday through fifth-year seniors — might be the strongest predictor for the coming season.........It’s a simple formula: Using the composite standings compiled by 247Sports.com, I’ll provide the average final class ranking for each Power Five team during the past five years. If sorted by conference or division, these numbers should at least give an early suggestion for what to expect once college football finally returns in August.

ACC:
A clear top two in Florida State and Clemson; a talented yet somewhat underachieving program in Miami; depth in the Coastal Division. Sounds about right. Then again, the fact that Georgia Tech is ranked last in the division may very well be an outlier. (Nope, it proves Coaching matters too and seen as a trend over time.)

BIG TEN:
This helps to represent two factors. The first is that Ohio State has taken a distinct overall advantage against the rest of the Big Ten in terms of overall talent level — a gap widened over all but a handful of conference foes during this week’s signing day. The second is how the East Division has been the far stronger of the two divisions on signing day, a fact reflected during the past several regular seasons. (Chryst did more with less).

BIG-12:
And here are the first two noticeable flaws in this project. One is Kansas State’s Bill Snyder, who has proven over the course of decades that where his class lands on the signing-day rankings is a poor barometer for how his team will look in the fall. The second is Texas and Baylor, which may rank in the top three in this five-year recruiting glance but will struggle to match that in the season standings in 2017. (Look at Texas proves not all recruiting and OKST proves Coaching in important too.)

LINK:
http://sportspolls.usatoday.com/201...ruiting-averages-should-forecast-next-season/

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Meanwhile......
Rivals Farrel Link:
Three-Point Stance: Underrated three-stars:
CB Damarri Mathis, Pitt – Mathis has good feet and he’s sneaky strong and physical, so I can see him having a bigger impact than perhaps expected.
LINK:
https://n.rivals.com/news/three-point-stance-underrated-three-stars-penn-state-2018-notes

 

[pittdan77]

Stars in my eyes Captain. I hate the stars. It's easy to look at a kid that's a superstar in HS and has a ton of great measurables and give him five stars. You'd think the NFL would pay more attention. The truth is, some of these kids top out and never improve.

I'd point out that the schools that are recruiting well, and winning, have also had outstanding coaching.

By the way, LSU makes me chuckle. There's a list floating around of "highly touted" QB departures from that program that makes the Cleveland Browns look kind of okay.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"pittdan77, post: 1808384, member: 3668"]Stars in my eyes Captain. I hate the stars. It's easy to look at a kid that's a superstar in HS and has a ton of great measurables and give him five stars. You'd think the NFL would pay more attention. The truth is, some of these kids top out and never improve.
True but no one puts out that kind of listings when some wash out? Others do go on to big things, I think the 3 Stars try, work, and play harder! The problem is the Public looks at those Stars rankings and it has become a Annual Ratings Comparison.

I'd point out that the schools that are recruiting well, and winning, have also had outstanding coaching.
Not really, this is not true on a few and some every year they outline some Underperformers. I agree the Top Elite Coaches with Top Programs that Recruits more 4 & 5 Stars show that but you told me above you don't care for the Stars? BTW, I just reviewed 2017 JUCO Transfer rankings Alabama has grabbed some of there too.

By the way, LSU makes me chuckle. There's a list floating around of "highly touted" QB departures from that program that makes the Cleveland Browns look kind of okay.
Right there LSU has Top Recruiting but dump Les Miles due to not winning enough.