I was going to say the same thing. He kicked the crap out of that ball.
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I was going to say the same thing. He kicked the crap out of that ball.
I was fine with whoever won. I am happy for Donald. The Saints did not play as well as they did early on, so what I said still stands.
Perhaps the Rams had something to do with that?
The refs certainly did.
Just amused about early predictions in games in progress. They rarely hold up, and quite often look pretty funny at the end, that's all.
Settling for 3 short FGs at home on possessions when a TD was there for the taking. They'll whine about that non PI, may be rightfully so, but if they had pahnded it n'at after the Ginn catch, rather than fling it around and stopping the clock and not making LA burn their TOs...
Payton chokes away playoff games in back 2 back years.
Go AD!!! I really can't explain how proud of him that I am. To be Penn Hills man, then a Pitt man and being an animal in the offseason and an animal on the field, while being respectful and a great teamate..... he deserves this. Not go get a ring big guy!
Go AD!!! I really can't explain how proud of him that I am. To be Penn Hills man, then a Pitt man and being an animal in the offseason and an animal on the field, while being respectful and a great teamate..... he deserves this. Not go get a ring big guy!
Awesome to see AD get a chance to play in the Super Bowl!
The missed pass interference was karma for the one that screwed the Steelers out of the playoffs against the saints.
Heh heh. This, along with extra profanity and possibly a death threat, would be seen in the message board on 279 if that had happened here to the Steelers.
Oddly never see that, nor hear anything like it, when Pitt is jobbed by officials, such as the Miami game. Just sneers things like "only losers blame officiating".
It was mentioned earlier in this thread but if this is the game everyone wants to play then the missed facemask on Goff needs to have the same amount of attention. Had every bit as much potential impact on the outcome.
NFL Officials Are Determining The Outcome of games which is hurting the NFL brand. Bad calls usually even out but lately the NFL call blunders seem to be game changers!
One problem as the article below states is that NFL officials are "part-timers" they work once per week,own businesses or have other jobs.
Maybe the answer is as Paul Ziese of The Fan suggested officials in a central location should watch the games and be prepared to review and change missed calls as a way to help out NFL officials.
I worked a lot in Montgomery Al a lot when we were building plants in Al. A guy that I worked with in the AL Dept of Economic Devel was Bobby Skelton former U of Alabama QB for Bear Bryant and an NFL official.
He held town a fulltime job with the state, was an older guy, and worked as an NFL official?
As he said it was a grind leaving work Friday packing up, traveling to games, doing the game, and travel back home to get to work. He also said a lot of officials have trouble staying in top shape due to tight schedules and age.
If you're not in position to make a call you're probably not going to make the right call. Additionally many officials find it difficult to over-rule a call made by a fellow official which all leads to the problems that we've witnessed on the field this NFL season.
The info below was something I found on compensation for officials in various sports.
The average salary that an NFL referee earns per year nests between the sums of $25,000 and $70,000. This is not as much as the referees for others like the NHA and NBA make. The umpires in Major League Baseball make around $141,000 annually. The NBA referees make around $128,000 annually and the NHL officials earn around $139,000 annually. By looking at these sums, individuals will see that the NFL referees are at the bottom of the charts when it comes to the amount of money they earn. However, one has to consider the fact that an NFL referee works one game a week, while referees in the other sports work multiple games per week. The job of NFL referee required flexibility and go through training before match.
The NFL referees only work on Sundays. It is obviously mandatory that some of them work somewhere else on other days of the week. The salary range for an NFL referee will vary between $25,000 to $70,000. NFL referees also work as entrepreneurs, inventors, dentists and farmers.
It used to be a requirement that NFL officials earn at least 30K from their job in order to be considered for an NFL officiating position. It was felt that if you earn at least that amount you were less likely to be interested in taking a bribe. I'm sure that's not true anymore.
Most NFL officials have jobs or own business that allow them to get away enough in order to complete their assignments, e.g., Arrive early enough before the game, have time to go over game films, do pre- game preparations, officiate the game, post game reviews, and then fly back home. Most employers would allow that much time off. Independence is a key requirement.
One problem as the article below states is that NFL officials are "part-timers" they work once per week,own businesses or have other jobs.
Maybe the answer is as Paul Ziese of The Fan suggested officials in a central location should watch the games and be prepared to review and change missed calls as a way to help out NFL officials.
I worked a lot in Montgomery Al a lot when we were building plants in Al. A guy that I worked with in the AL Dept of Economic Devel was Bobby Skelton former U of Alabama QB for Bear Bryant and an NFL official.
He held town a fulltime job with the state, was an older guy, and worked as an NFL official?
As he said it was a grind leaving work Friday packing up, traveling to games, doing the game, and travel back home to get to work. He also said a lot of officials have trouble staying in top shape due to tight schedules and age.
If you're not in position to make a call you're probably not going to make the right call. Additionally many officials find it difficult to over-rule a call made by a fellow official which all leads to the problems that we've witnessed on the field this NFL season.
The info below was something I found on compensation for officials in various sports.
The average salary that an NFL referee earns per year nests between the sums of $25,000 and $70,000. This is not as much as the referees for others like the NHA and NBA make. The umpires in Major League Baseball make around $141,000 annually. The NBA referees make around $128,000 annually and the NHL officials earn around $139,000 annually. By looking at these sums, individuals will see that the NFL referees are at the bottom of the charts when it comes to the amount of money they earn. However, one has to consider the fact that an NFL referee works one game a week, while referees in the other sports work multiple games per week. The job of NFL referee required flexibility and go through training before match.
The NFL referees only work on Sundays. It is obviously mandatory that some of them work somewhere else on other days of the week. The salary range for an NFL referee will vary between $25,000 to $70,000. NFL referees also work as entrepreneurs, inventors, dentists and farmers.
It used to be a requirement that NFL officials earn at least 30K from their job in order to be considered for an NFL officiating position. It was felt that if you earn at least that amount you were less likely to be interested in taking a bribe. I'm sure that's not true anymore.
Most NFL officials have jobs or own business that allow them to get away enough in order to complete their assignments, e.g., Arrive early enough before the game, have time to go over game films, do pre- game preparations, officiate the game, post game reviews, and then fly back home. Most employers would allow that much time off. Independence is a key requirement.
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The "We was robbed!" angle rarely holds true. That was a really bad one but like others have said, what about some of the other calls?
I grew up hearing about the missed TD pass in the Steelers-Oilers CG in 1979. That game is on YouTube now. I couldn't believe it. That call was midway though the 3rd quarter! Not only that, the Steelers clearly dominated the game and only a bunch of 50/50 calls that all went Houston's way kept the game even mildly close.
The other famous game was the Super Bowl vs Seattle where they still whine about it. Again, I was shocked to watch it on DVD. That was a very well officiated game and all the controversial calls were actually correct or at the least inconclusive. I remember how the Post Gazette ran a blown up pic of Ben's TD lunge showing the ball clearly over the goal line. It was close but correct.
The point is, there are always tough calls but if you gripe about them, you always look bad and there is nothing to be gained. Aside from the 76' Olympic BB final, I can't recall an instance of anyone really getting robbed.
I grew up hearing about the missed TD pass in the Steelers-Oilers CG in 1979. That game is on YouTube now. I couldn't believe it. That call was midway though the 3rd quarter! Not only that, the Steelers clearly dominated the game and only a bunch of 50/50 calls that all went Houston's way kept the game even mildly close.
The other famous game was the Super Bowl vs Seattle where they still whine about it. Again, I was shocked to watch it on DVD. That was a very well officiated game and all the controversial calls were actually correct or at the least inconclusive. I remember how the Post Gazette ran a blown up pic of Ben's TD lunge showing the ball clearly over the goal line. It was close but correct.
The point is, there are always tough calls but if you gripe about them, you always look bad and there is nothing to be gained. Aside from the 76' Olympic BB final, I can't recall an instance of anyone really getting robbed.
Do NFL coaches, or college and high school coaches, even teach defensive backs to play the ball? This is ridiculous. All that fool had to do was play the ball and he had an easy interception. And this guy is a professional who gets paid to fk up like this.
These guys need to spend less time practicing celebrations and more time doing their fking jobs. That is the only reason teams like New England can continue to dominate more talented teams.
Of course the refs are a different matter, in the CFL you can challenge anything including pass interference. NFL needs to change their challenge rules to match the CFL, with so many games being decided by horrible officiating. Also as long as you have a timeout you should be allowed to challenge a call or a missed call.
These guys need to spend less time practicing celebrations and more time doing their fking jobs. That is the only reason teams like New England can continue to dominate more talented teams.
Of course the refs are a different matter, in the CFL you can challenge anything including pass interference. NFL needs to change their challenge rules to match the CFL, with so many games being decided by horrible officiating. Also as long as you have a timeout you should be allowed to challenge a call or a missed call.
I didnt hear all this crying from the media, and fans, when Pittsburgh was robbed of a playoff spot because of officiating in the New Orleans.game. Everyone chose to blame Tomlin, and then later Antonio Brown. And Pittsburgh has had multiple games this season affected by horrible officiating.
Consistency.
Consistency.
Only worse rendition was Roseanne Barr.Buffett sang the anthem since he's a crazy Mississippi born Saints fan.
The knee-jerk reaction argument that, when broken down, simply doesn't hold up. Query: how many of the nation's best football refs are not officiating for the NFL because it doesn't pay enough or is part-time? 5, 10, 100? Zero? It's probably not quantifiable but, honestly, if you're a football ref and have a chance to ref for the NFL (presumably because you've een identified as one of the best at the college level), you're probably doing it. The fact that it isn't full time allows most of the best to do it. If they can't ref for the NFL, they're probably not reffing at all. Certainly reffing for the major conferences is just as time consuming and inconvenient as reffing NFL games. Conversely, if they made refs "full time" what could they do in the vast amount of time when games weren't being played to make them better refs? Study film? Take classes? Practice reffing 3 days a week? Are there drills they could do to improve the game time performance? I kind of doubt it.
If they made reffing NFL football a full-time, well paid occupation are there individuals who would then pursue that career over another? And would they ultimately be better than current refs? There's simply no way of knowing and you wouldn't have a satisfactory answer for probably a decade or more anyway.
The other sports play many games a week and their schedules require full-timers. It's really apples and oranges.
All this is going to do is give credibility to fans that want more instant replay. Espn show is talking about having more instant replays and coaches throwing the red flag on plays like this.
Just what the nfl needs. More instant replays
Just what the nfl needs. More instant replays
If NO would have gotten that call yesterday there is still no guarantee they would have scored 7. And it wasn’t 4th down so they still had chances. If that ref keeps his flag in his pocket on the one in Pittsburgh the Steelers take over on downs instead of the Saints getting the hall on the one yard line. Saints lose that game the Steelers are in and the Saints lose home field. So boo f***ing hoo Saints fans.
dude, they only needed three to win...they get that call, they run the clock out and kick the chip shot winner as time expires...it sure as hell was a game changing penalty..
I agree and I don't know what the correct response should be except deploy technology to help these guys out.
If these are the best of the best and mistakes are being made there's a problem which requires a solution.
Maybe have other officials watch the games in a central place so they have an opportunity to intervene if necessary or coaches should be able to challenge pass interference in the last two minutes of the game?
The officials could always be college professors for the part of the year they not officiating?
Oh I forgot that's another thread?
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As Jack Dzierenzik (sp?) says on Pirates pre-games, the game isn't linear. You can't presume that the game would've played out the same way but for that call. In the Steelers-NO game, wasn't that PI non-call in the first half? First quarter, maybe? How can you say that the Saints lose if they don't make the call? Maybe the Saints change their strategy if they don't score on that drive.
Pretty sure that call was much later. I think the Saints next to last drive. At any rate I can't say for sure the Saints lose that game. Any more than you can say the Saints score a TD if the PI is called.
John Breech - a very good sports columnist, IMO - suggests expanding the scope of challenges without greatly expanding the number of challenges.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...res-the-simple-fix-for-the-nfl-going-forward/
If you think it's bad now it would be 10 times worse if we eliminate instant replay.
Indeed. That facemask was blatant, obvious, and took away 4 points as he was clearly going to score without it.
The little touch-in-the-back in the end zone on 4th down PI call (the one linked above in the GIF) actually occurred on the Saints' first scoring drive and made it 7-3 in the 1st quarter. Yet, people want to say the Steelers would've won but for that call.
The interference on Haden against Thomas in the 4th qtr with 2 minutes left on 4th down enabled New Orleans to win.
That's not the call being shown in the GIFs linked above and the one there was so much outcry over. Watch the GIF, it shows the score, 7-3 NO and it was a replay of the play giving the Saints the ball at the one when Ingram scored on the next play. I don't actually even recall the much later one. What are you going to do, take all judgment out of the game?
