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Sans KP, Steelers the worse for wear....

Mike said "we want volunteers, not hostages." KP didn't want to compete for the job even though he agreed to it earlier in the off-season. Russ even reached out to KP about being excited to compete for the starting job with him.
Yeah he reached out alright
Listen Russ is very media savvy and probably is a decent guy .
The Steelers made a business decision to take the free veteran for a year rather than keep Kenny for 2 more

It doesn’t take a rocket surgeon to see the timeline and draw a logical conclusion.

Also when team sources put a positive spin - it’s best to take it with a huge grain of salt .


But hey- Russ went 6-6 as starter and looked like crap the last 4 games .
 
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It's almost as if that was the entire plan had Russ been named the starter. I wonder why that didn't end up happening...
In fairness if we are going to revisit history you have to examine what Tomlin said publicly and what he was alleged to have said to Kenny privately during exit interviews...not to mention the mind games of keeping Kenny 1 on the depth chart when healthy but starting someone else. For all the crap he was handed to work with in his 2 years as a starter he still managed to have a winning record as a starter and I'm pretty sure he has a pair of gloves in the Hall of Fame. Ja'Marcus Russell was a bust, Ryan Leaf was a bust. Kenny is no where near that level.
literally Kenny Pickett's words.

I just thought it was time. It just felt like it was time from the things that transpired and wanted to get a chance to go somewhere else and continue to grow my career.
Since we are quoting Tomlin said during his EOY press conference that Kenny was extremely competitive and professional...yet in less than a month we are expected to believe he became the polar opposite of both of those characteristics?
 
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But hey- Russ went 6-6 as starter and looked like crap the last 4 games .
Hey, I don't think Russ was very good but his play was much better then what Kenny has ever done as a professional.
Yeah he reached out alright
Listen Russ is very media savvy and probably is a decent guy .
The Steelers made a business decision to take the free veteran for a year rather than keep Kenny for 2 more

It doesn’t take a rocket surgeon to see the timeline and draw a logical conclusion.

Also when team sources put a positive spin - it’s best to take it with a huge grain of salt .

So, your opinion goes against the fact that Kenny requested to be traded because he was told he was going to compete for his job?

What's crystal clear was that the Steelers weren't satisfied with KP at QB but weren't willing to give up on him. They told him weeks before that he would be competing for the job in 2024 and he was open to that. Once they signed Russ, it was apparent KP didn't think he could beat him out. You saying Russ is media savvy is saying Russ is lying. Why would Russ even bring it up if this conversation didn't happen lol? He knew KP didn't have the locker room or the franchise behind him as a starter in this league. Your logic makes zero sense.
 
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Hey, I don't think Russ was very good but his play was much better then what Kenny has ever done as a professional.


So, your opinion goes against the fact that Kenny requested to be traded because he was told he was going to compete for his job?

What's crystal clear was that the Steelers weren't satisfied with KP at QB but weren't willing to give up on him. They told him weeks before that he would be competing for the job in 2024 and he was open to that. Once they signed Russ, it was apparent KP didn't think he could beat him out. You saying Russ is media savvy is saying Russ is lying. Why would Russ even bring it up if this conversation didn't happen lol? He knew KP didn't have the locker room or the franchise behind him as a starter in this league. Your logic makes zero sense.
Kenny who has 2 more years under contact -
Had no leverage for a trade request
You’ve got it ass backwards.

Nobody was going to beat Russ out as qb1- that was made crystal clear from the jump
So instead we for a one year rental backup in fields - and also didn’t let him compete for qb1- even when the offense swooned the last 5 games
Are you finally getting it ?
Probably not
 
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Kenny who has 2 more years under contact -
Had no leverage for a trade request
You’ve got it ass backwards.

Nobody was going to beat Russ out as qb1- that was made crystal clear from the jump
So instead we for a one year rental backup in fields - and also didn’t let him compete for qb1- even when the offense swooned the last 5 games
Are you finally getting it ?
Probably not
You have to understand that people throw logic to the wind once they've selected a hill to die on. You could show screenshot test messages from Tomlin saying "you have no chance to start this year" and people would still argue with you. You don't have to argue the evidence is in tape sir.... On tape! Fields was NEVER part of the plan. They wanted Kenny to spend a year behind a veteran and "learn" and when Kenny demanded our the traded him before his side of the story could hit the press and like a real man Kenny never came out and bashed them he just moved on....and guess what. They are about to do the same to Pickens with this stupid he showed up late on Christmas BS. Who gives a crap! If you want to trade him just freaking trade him.
 
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You have to understand that people throw logic to the win once they've selected a hill to die on. You could show screenshot test messages from Tomlin saying "you have no chance to start this year" and people would still argue with you. You don't have to argue the evidence is in tape sir.... On tape! Fields was NEVER part of the plan. They wanted Kenny to spend a year behind a veteran and "learn" and when Kenny demanded our the traded him before his side of the story could hit the press and like a real man Kenny never came out and bashed them he just moved on....and guess what. They are about to do the same to Pickens with this stupid he showed up late on Christmas BS. Who gives a crap! If you want to trade him just freaking trade him.
It’s always a protect the shield narrative leaked , to distract drom
The on the field short comings

And every year people buy it - and think getting rid of this 1 player or coach will be a net positive .
But it never is .

The ravens defense sucked for half the season - they made personnel and scheme adjustments and dramatically improved .

When’s the last time the Steelers have done something like that ?
But - instead all the talk is about Pickens.
Last year it was Dionte johnson and Kenny .
 
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Yeah, obviously both side were fed by either Tomlin/Steelers/Wilson camps, and the other by Pickett/his agent/family. But all you ever read when this comes up is "oh the Steelers' PR machine" as if the other story that came out wasn't the exact same thing. So you just have you use your own judgement on which side and story you find more believable.

To me, both Steelers and Wilson said there would be an open competition, wording that changed drastically when Fields came on board and everyone reported that it was very clear that Wilson would be QB1 throughout camp competition. So I also put my opinion behind the guy that has two decades of respect from his peers over a guy that seemed to have a number of coincidental "me first" situations over a relatively short time period.
The Steelers or machine is real. It’s why the Pickens being latently was covered up
 
Yeah he reached out alright
Listen Russ is very media savvy and probably is a decent guy .
The Steelers made a business decision to take the free veteran for a year rather than keep Kenny for 2 more

It doesn’t take a rocket surgeon to see the timeline and draw a logical conclusion.

Also when team sources put a positive spin - it’s best to take it with a huge grain of salt .
Doesn’t take a brain scientist either.
 
You have to understand that people throw logic to the wind once they've selected a hill to die on. You could show screenshot test messages from Tomlin saying "you have no chance to start this year" and people would still argue with you. You don't have to argue the evidence is in tape sir.... On tape! Fields was NEVER part of the plan. They wanted Kenny to spend a year behind a veteran and "learn" and when Kenny demanded our the traded him before his side of the story could hit the press and like a real man Kenny never came out and bashed them he just moved on....and guess what. They are about to do the same to Pickens with this stupid he showed up late on Christmas BS. Who gives a crap! If you want to trade him just freaking trade him.
What’s funny about Pickens is that it appears they have had enough with the guy. If you’re to believe Dulac, and why not, as he is the steeler mouth piece. The story they want told is the story coming out of Dulac’s mouth. He said they want to make a splash in FA for a WR and send George packing…which is exactly what I said they should do 3 weeks ago here when I said they should sign Higgins, trade George for whatever you can get, and draft a rookie. Of course I got push back from a certain someone here because he thinks George isnt a problem, and he’s too good and too cheap to trade.

The problem with my plan and the steeler plan is this…Tee Higgins isn’t coming here. Why would he? This is a place where QBs and WR’s fail. And from what I understand the FA receiver market this year is weak. But hey, Dionte Johnson is near the top of that FA list. We can always bring him back. That certain someone on this board also claimed Dionte Johnson was an elite WR last year.
 
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It’s always a protect the shield narrative leaked , to distract drom
The on the field short comings

And every year people buy it - and think getting rid of this 1 player or coach will be a net positive .
But it never is .

The ravens defense sucked for half the season - they made personnel and scheme adjustments and dramatically improved .

When’s the last time the Steelers have done something like that ?
But - instead all the talk is about Pickens.
Last year it was Dionte johnson and Kenny .
You’re absolutely right. The Dungy defense is antiquated. Coach Tomlin the defensive guru needs to relinquish control of the defense and bring in a robert Salah or someone like that to run their defense and not be an understudy to mike. Good luck.
 
It’s always a protect the shield narrative leaked , to distract drom
The on the field short comings

And every year people buy it - and think getting rid of this 1 player or coach will be a net positive .
But it never is .

The ravens defense sucked for half the season - they made personnel and scheme adjustments and dramatically improved .

When’s the last time the Steelers have done something like that ?
But - instead all the talk is about Pickens.
Last year it was Dionte johnson and Kenny .
i dont want to get into the pickett thing, what he did or did not say. i've noticed one thing about some of your recent posts though souf. i really think you diminish the "leverage" players under contact have. you say that they have none and i disagree.

players can sit out, they can make complaints, they can demand trades, when under contract. we've seen it countless times for decades. people say, well let them sit out, teams will just fine them daily. that never works, it never "forces" players to show up for camp or practices or whatever.

how many times have we seen a player demand a trade and guess what, they are ALWAYS traded shortly after. hell, james harrison and the running back did it here in pittsburgh, think there was an OLB too who ended up going to the chiefs i think, forget his name.. Players always sit out of camp in their last year, demanding an extension and it seems like they always get it, or get traded..

We are seeing it with tyreek Hill and the dolphins, he's done, just said "Screw it" in mid game, guess who he is not going to play for next year despite being under contract for 2 more years? Yep, the fins.


so just going to respectfully disagree with your statement that these players have no leverage. OK, that's all i got, carry on with your never ending debate on what kenny pickett did or didnt do 2 years ago..
 
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Yeah, obviously both side were fed by either Tomlin/Steelers/Wilson camps, and the other by Pickett/his agent/family. But all you ever read when this comes up is "oh the Steelers' PR machine" as if the other story that came out wasn't the exact same thing. So you just have you use your own judgement on which side and story you find more believable.

To me, both Steelers and Wilson said there would be an open competition, wording that changed drastically when Fields came on board and everyone reported that it was very clear that Wilson would be QB1 throughout camp competition. So I also put my opinion behind the guy that has two decades of respect from his peers over a guy that seemed to have a number of coincidental "me first" situations over a relatively short time period.
Two decades of respect with three documented instances where two guys pulled a sit-in protest and one guy walked off the field during a game because they said they were lied to….if he can lie to Harrison, he can damn sure lie to Kenny.
 
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The Steelers have immense power in Pittsburgh. It's even easier for them when even Pitt fans are willing to carry their water. Just look at the T extension. Republicans took control of county government in 1994 and nixed the T extension plans for both the NorthSIDE and Oakland. The Steelers had single meeting with them and suddenly the billion dollar tunnel to the NorthSHORE was put back on track, no pun intended.

So when it comes to using the media to make their head coach and org look good while attempting to make a departing player look bad, is kind of child's work to them.
 
Mike said "we want volunteers, not hostages." KP didn't want to compete for the job even though he agreed to it earlier in the off-season. Russ even reached out to KP about being excited to compete for the starting job with him.
BULLSHIT! And it quite interesting some people keep pushing this narrative. And Russ is PHONEY AS HELL…I would have hung up on his ass, he knew there was no competition. If there was…why did they pull Fields?
 
Yeah he reached out alright
Listen Russ is very media savvy and probably is a decent guy .
The Steelers made a business decision to take the free veteran for a year rather than keep Kenny for 2 more

It doesn’t take a rocket surgeon to see the timeline and draw a logical conclusion.

Also when team sources put a positive spin - it’s best to take it with a huge grain of salt .


But hey- Russ went 6-6 as starter and looked like crap the last 4 games .
Yep…and if it was a true competition, why wasn’t Russ replaced? He was dog shit coming down the stretch.
 
BULLSHIT! And it quite interesting some people keep pushing this narrative. And Russ is PHONEY AS HELL…I would have hung up on his ass, he knew there was no competition. If there was…why did they pull Fields?
I don’t think he’s phony .
He’s very media and pr savy. But that doesn’t mean he’s fake .
Both he and Kenny said the “right things” about the situation.

Russ is at CHP regularly - and I don’t think it’s for the media
I think he understands being a star player means doing nice things in the community.

Just like he’s saying he loves it in Pittsburgh, and wants to stay . Even though there is no chance we are paying him his desired salary .
 
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It’s always a protect the shield narrative leaked , to distract drom
The on the field short comings

And every year people buy it - and think getting rid of this 1 player or coach will be a net positive .
But it never is .

The ravens defense sucked for half the season - they made personnel and scheme adjustments and dramatically improved .

When’s the last time the Steelers have done something like that ?
But - instead all the talk is about Pickens.
Last year it was Dionte johnson and Kenny .
You’re right. Poor Mike Tomlin is hamstrung by the Rooneys. Im sure the HOF coach would have made personnel and scheme adjustments but Rooney wouldn’t let him
 
Melvin Ingram ?
He was limited due to injury and was a reserve hedge who wasn’t needed since Highsmith proved to be much better .
Same guy was in Miami a year after - had 10 tackles in 17 games , starting 3.
And released and out of the league 3 games into the next season

I mean Harrison was out of the league , came back - and literally played 1 game with NE before being done .
Not sure cutting bait on old players at the end do their careers is an analogous situation .
 
You’re right. Poor Mike Tomlin is hamstrung by the Rooneys. Im sure the HOF coach would have made personnel and scheme adjustments but Rooney wouldn’t let him
The Rooney’s can fire him
What is so difficult for you to understand that simple premise ?

Instead you fixate on Tomlin - like he’s supposed to just quick his job to force the issue .
 
You’re absolutely right. The Dungy defense is antiquated. Coach Tomlin the defensive guru needs to relinquish control of the defense and bring in a robert Salah or someone like that to run their defense and not be an understudy to mike. Good luck.
His boss should insist on it
Same way he dictated not benching a diminished Ben

Or his boss can fire him and bring in a new staff .
Ownership has all the power .
 
I don’t think he’s phony .
He’s very media and pr savy. But that doesn’t mean he’s fake .
Both he and Kenny said the “right things” about the situation.

Russ is at CHP regularly - and I don’t think it’s for the media
I think he understands being a star player means doing nice things in the community.

Just like he’s saying he loves it in Pittsburgh, and wants to stay . Even though there is no chance we are paying him his desired salary .
I think he's not only phone but he's corny!
 
Melvin Ingram ?
He was limited due to injury and was a reserve hedge who wasn’t needed since Highsmith proved to be much better .
Same guy was in Miami a year after - had 10 tackles in 17 games , starting 3.
And released and out of the league 3 games into the next season

I mean Harrison was out of the league , came back - and literally played 1 game with NE before being done .
Not sure cutting bait on old players at the end do their careers is an analogous situation .
None of that has anything to do with them being lied to - and it's the same talking points the Steeler state run media put out there.
 
FWIW, ESPN is reporting that the Bears asked the Stillers for permission to talk to Tomlin and potentially work out a trade for him and the Stillers said no. And there was at least one other team that made a similar inquiry but was told about Tomlin's no trade clause in his contract, so they backed off.
 
FWIW, ESPN is reporting that the Bears asked the Stillers for permission to talk to Tomlin and potentially work out a trade for him and the Stillers said no. And there was at least one other team that made a similar inquiry but was told about Tomlin's no trade clause in his contract, so they backed off.
Why would Tomlin want to be traded to anyplace that would hold him accountable - when he can stay with Lazy Art and be mediocre and get massive raises and contract extensions?
 
Why would Tomlin want to be traded to anyplace that would hold him accountable - when he can stay with Lazy Art and be mediocre and get massive raises and contract extensions?
If Art actually put pressure on Tomlin or said they were going to fire him it could’ve been a smooth way for the team to part ways. Instead we’ll be stuck with the exact same approach that doesn’t work.
 
You’re absolutely right. The Dungy defense is antiquated. Coach Tomlin the defensive guru needs to relinquish control of the defense and bring in a robert Salah or someone like that to run their defense and not be an understudy to mike. Good luck.
Could you imagine Tomlin letting some bright minded defensive coordinator come in here and right the ship? He wouldn't be able to live with himself. In his mind, Noone knows defense better. He would never allow himself to be shamed like that. Good luck, is right. It ain't happening! This is why the franchise has no chance of improving while he is in charge. All hires must be subservient to the almighty Tomlin. This is why we have trouble locating any semblance of a coaching tree.
 
Could you imagine Tomlin letting some bright minded defensive coordinator come in here and right the ship? He wouldn't be able to live with himself. In his mind, Noone knows defense better. He would never allow himself to be shamed like that. Good luck, is right. It ain't happening! This is why the franchise has no chance of improving while he is in charge. All hires must be subservient to the almighty Tomlin. This is why we have trouble locating any semblance of a coaching tree.
Yes , I can .
He brought in Flores
Austin was an outsider former DC brought in to be a secondary coach .
 
Yes , I can .
He brought in Flores
Austin was an outsider former DC brought in to be a secondary coach .
He specified bright-minded DC--Austin does not qualify. Tomlin should've kept Flores instead of Austin. He needs to hire coaches who strive to be a head coach in the NFL. I don't think Smith was necessarily the hire the Steelers needed, but at least he still has head coaching aspirations.
 
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Then fire him. I don’t know what to say. At least have a conversation. Rooney has been more than fair with the guy.
I’m inclined to think it’s time to move on. But other than Canada the Steelers don’t even fire assistants. So it seems unlikely they’d eat they money they just signed Tomlin to.

For better or worse just accept he’s gonna be here next year and likely the year after that.
 
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